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Meatball
Mar 2, 2003

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Willa Rogers posted:

The Dems also are prone to irrational claims about election interference, as we saw after the 2016 general election.

I'll never forget how quickly the pre-election claim WHEN CLINTON WINS TRUMP WILL BLAME IT ON RUSSIA became the post-election claim TRUMP "WON" SO LET'S BLAME IT ON RUSSIA.


I disagree.

I think they'll blame progressives and "we should have been more moderate". They'll talk about how progressives almost blocked the infrastructure bill (but not really), and ignore how the moderates blocked literally everything else.

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Mar 2, 2003

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

what i'm saying is, this is a man who when presented with "but if we followed your principles your marriage would have been illegal" responds with "yeah, so?"

Wait, what? Someone said this to him and that's how he responded? Do you have a link?

Meatball
Mar 2, 2003

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Cimber posted:

Never has a former president asked a hostile foreign power to release information on a current president and his family.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/29/politics/trump-putin-hunter-biden/index.html

He didn't get in trouble when he secretly conspired with Russia, so he's going to try it out in the open.

The fact that this won't affect his chance to become president really sucks.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Willa Rogers posted:

Looks like 2022's campaign theme for Dems will be The Year of the Moderate in an attempt to counter the GOP's smears of Dems being radical socialists:



When all their people lose again, their only takeaway will be to get more moderate, and keep taking their base for granted.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:



MTG's "Jewish Space Lasers" theory is the closest thing I can think of, but space lasers are different than weather controlling powers and I don't think the RNC is trying to argue that MTG is right.



I think it might be this one. Instead of space lasers to start fires in California, it's "the jews use weather satellites to control the weather'.

But then as you say, that this tweet means the RNC is trying to argue MTG is right, or at least is doing a "yes, and.." improv comedy bit. Maybe they're trying to imply that Biden thinks this?

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Mar 2, 2003

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FizFashizzle posted:

How in the world can biden or his whisperers see poo poo like this and not bang on the desk and scream “legalize weed dude!”

Proactive movement on student loans and weed. That’s it.

If not then I’m willing to believe biden straight up does not give a poo poo and this is just his victory lap.

"We didn't lift a finger for them, after saying we would, and they didn't vote. We should be more moderate."

I'm starting to think they want to lose the midterms.

Edit: vvvvvvv Hitler is now a role model in Republican America. That seems bad.

Meatball fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Apr 14, 2022

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Mar 2, 2003

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BiggerBoat posted:

Jesus, I keep thinking about the midterms and this is going to be an absolute (and well deserved) bloodbath. Like scorched earth retribution. I wonder what kind of odds I can get on Trump winning in 2024

If the Republicans win the midterms, whoever the candidate will win 100%. They're going to vote to certify the Republican in the presidental count, like they tried to in 2020.

Dems will sue, 6-3 Supreme court decision says the house can overrule the voters and the electoral college, and now you need to hold the house to win the presidency.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Bishyaler posted:

Balkanization starting to look like a super reasonable option.

I dont think that is likely to happen.

If we split, the "confederacy" (or whatever passes as the confederacy) immediately declares war against the "union" government, to bring "freedom, Jesus and free markets" to the "godless commies".

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Mar 2, 2003

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theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It’s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

They're falling into the trap Obama did and think the Republicans are honest actors that respond to reality.

They will keep title 42 and the Republicans will act like it's repealed and say "Joe Biden is letting illegals stream over the border!". Which is the same thing they'd do if he repealed it.

They're pissing off their voters in another losing gambit to appease Republicans.

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Mar 2, 2003

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BiggerBoat posted:

I'm not sure

He was introspective, honest about the problems he faced, and wanted to solve them. He listened to experts, and had the smartest guy in the world handle it.

President Camacho isn't all that bad. Sure he maintained decorum with a machine gun, but you can't always agree with your leaders.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Bottom Liner posted:

Source your election predictions if you're going to state them as fact, especially 2 cycles out.

They tried the play in 2020 and failed cause they didn't have the votes. Why wouldn't they do it again? They didn't face any consequences for it.

Edit: To be clear, it's probably the last option should their state level fuckery and straight up vote overturning doesn't work. They're very clear about ignoring rules, decorum, and democracy, to get what they want. The democrats, to date, haven't really punished them for it.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Dubar posted:

I'm pretty sure nothing about Twitter will change at all and under capitalism it doesn't make any difference which white dude is pocketing the profits

I expect some labor leaders and any union organizing will get those user banned. As well as anyone who dares to say Musk is anything but the finest man to ever exist.

Those divers a few years ago, who said they didn't need his help and he called them pedophiles. - he'll just ban them next time.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Dick Trauma posted:

I have to laugh at the thought of building a bridge to reach these people.

https://twitter.com/ColinGBooth/status/1522232989941485568?s=20&t=ucrKCOQiatPZixRfHYliQg

She then went on to say "taking care of other people's children isn't my problem" while she votes against expanding social services.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Zwabu posted:

That "if rape is inevitable, lie back and enjoy it" quote isn't even original, it's from some other GOP pol, I believe, who embarrassed themselves years ago saying it, but I can't remember who it was at the moment.

Todd Akin, he said "if it's a legitimate rape, the body has ways of shutting it down".

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Mar 2, 2003

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

only that New Jersey is the early primary state we deserve

I need to watch presidental candidates come here and eat bagels and pizza.

Edit: maybe a weekend on our roads will show them how important public transit is.

Meatball fucked around with this message at 01:19 on May 8, 2022

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Mar 2, 2003

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Gumball Gumption posted:

Politicians doing bus tours down the turnpike

"Hey everyone, we're here at the cheesequake service area, going to check out the Roy Rogers chicken. I hear they've got great biscuits!"

Meatball fucked around with this message at 11:55 on May 8, 2022

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Mar 2, 2003

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Dopilsya posted:

You would still need a federal statute to get federal jurisdiction; I'm assuming there's not a federal law against abortion and (hopefully) the Democrat Party isn't such a waste that it would allow that to happen, even when they're in the minority come the next election.



A) I get the feeling that there are dems who will vote for a federal abortion ban. Manchin almost definitely.

B) Republicans will kill the filibuster to get it through if no/not enough senate dems sign on

Meatball fucked around with this message at 14:49 on May 9, 2022

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Mar 2, 2003

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virtualboyCOLOR posted:

If there are any 5D chess games going on to have wall to wall coverage of Republican corruption closer to elections after the hostile takeover of the illegitimate Supreme Court, the Dems might want to do something about it now.

Biden also should have synced with Garland and have warrants ready.

Otherwise I don’t understand what the JAN 6 commission is even for and would love someone to help me out here.

I am *terrified* that, all the way at the end, after all the evidence is laid out, that the dems go "and this is why ypu have to VOTE!". I know it's unlikely. I know they have to have something else in mind. But I also know it's possible they won't.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Lemming posted:

Holy poo poo, completely loving brainless. If the Democratic response to Republicans stripping women of their human rights is to pass a law cracking down on protesters I was somehow giving them too much credit

Triple brainless, actually. Cracking down on protestors, protecting the people stripping their constituent's bodily autonomy, and all before the doomed vote to legalize abortion.

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Mar 2, 2003

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theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1524781702681440256?s=20&t=T8WkLU16og_eH2a0SZT6RA

But she doesn't need to reaffirm her support for him. You can't say that abortion rights are human rights and then turn around and support someone who is anti-abortion.

Cuellar is in a primary vs a progressive. Leadership would rather an anti choice moderate than a pro choice progressive.

That's why I think they're endorsing him. They don't care about his views on abortion, they want him to help block progressives.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Bishyaler posted:


The problem with this country is the populace being offered a choice between a poo poo sandwich and a poo poo sandwich with sprinkles and choosing the latter instead of flipping the table and demanding to know why they're being fed turds.

They're taught from day one that a poo poo sandwich is the only way to go. They're also told every other options are broken glass and acid sandwiches.

Meatball
Mar 2, 2003

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Sounds like progressives had a few wins last night.

Neat.

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Mar 2, 2003

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BiggerBoat posted:

I'm also hearing the "nobody wants to work" poo poo everywhere I go but isn't the unemployment rate like historically low?

It is, but their complaint actually has a subtext "at minimum wage, with terrible working conditions, and maybe some sexual harassment".

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Mar 2, 2003

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bird food bathtub posted:


That being said, when does it get so egregiously terrible that the liberal justices should just quit the courts and stop offering the proceedings the fig leaf of their completely irrelevant existence? They're not going to stop a single thing the Republicans want to happen by being there. All of that will happen, guaranteed. So why give it that cover? Just force everyone to admit what it is, a completely captured institution acting as an arm of one political party.

I've got this question as well. It's very clear that this Supreme court is going to do everything it can to unwind every civil right it can get its hands on. Just saying "oh well, ok" isn't an option.

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Mar 2, 2003

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CommieGIR posted:

Yeah its absolutely astounding that both the NRA and Abbott thinking continuing the NRA convention is a good look.

They don't give a hot gently caress how it looks. They have the courts sewn up and have their vote supression in place. If all that fails, they can just overturn the election, cite some nebulous "fraud" and seat the Republican candidate.

They're way beyond giving a poo poo.

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Mar 2, 2003

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theCalamity posted:

No, now we have to vote for 60+ in order to get anything done. Please vote more do-nothing democrats in office so that we can do something.

Speaking of inaction,

https://twitter.com/mikesington/status/1530954400474071040?s=21&t=OogY9uwf6sX9F5Yf1ScZZw

This is beyond comical.

Edit: https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1531273636342030336?s=21&t=pCvDGyS00i5TJVbt6cTywg

Come on! Are we supposed to vote for someone who says that McConnell and Cornyn are regional?!

This is not the actions of a serious person who wants to do things.

When the Republicans very, very visibly steal the next few sets of elections, I seriously doubt the democrats will even contest them. They seem ready to pre-give up before even understanding what's at stake or what's going on.

Please. Calling McConnell rational? He is either naive, or his brain is at a trump level of liquidation.

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Mar 2, 2003

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"Biden is rattled by his sinking approval ratings and is looking to regain voters’ confidence"

“I don’t know what’s required here,” said Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., whose endorsement in the 2020 Democratic primaries helped rescue Biden’s struggling candidacy. “But I do know the poll numbers have been stuck where they are for far too long.”

This is ridiculous. They could do something about student loans, weed, guns, anything in those areas. Literally "we've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!"

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Mar 2, 2003

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HonorableTB posted:

Lmao everyone is pissed off and has a bleak outlook for the future and this seems to be a nationwide outlook among everyone and the political class is completely unable to do anything about it. The PNW is the same way. Everything we won in the 2020 protests was just given away at the ballot box. Nothing mattered

I think this is what's affecting Americans the most. There's a lot wrong with our country and society and our political class is unable, unwilling, or straight up profiting from the problems to want to fix it. The public knows, the government knows, there is no secrets anymore about what's going on, and people are rightly pissed about it, then they get sad (and angrier) because nothing is going to be done about it.

Look at what happened in Uvalde - cops demand massive budgets, get them, then stand around while children are shot. The chief gets a promotion and the whole thing is buried. No fixes are even being discussed.

The upcoming Supreme Court rulings that will basically be "in an amazing coincidence, the constitution agrees with the Republican platform in every way, even if the text says something else entirely" Will only make it worse. 70% of Americans support abortion, but it's going to be illegal anyway.

Rents going up, costs going up, wages go up a tiny bit and the government's response is to trigger a recession in an effort to stop the wage growth. Something has gotta give. It's only a matter of time until something explodes it, and it's coming real soon.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Gumball Gumption posted:

If the gas cards are bribery then the Democrats should use this new precedent to commit their own bribery and hand out bigger gas cards since there's no risk of opening up a path for the Republicans anymore.

They won't do it unless one of their failsons get a cut and there's means testing.

Oops was wrong per the below post.

Meatball fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 7, 2022

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Mar 2, 2003

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Herstory Begins Now posted:

The right wing framing that they are in danger and need to be protected while the right are the ones blocking the bill? how does that work?

They probably think they can ble the democrats for not passing it and "not taking our justices secirty seriously".

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Mar 2, 2003

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Kaiju Cage Match posted:

Then he can jump into the air and squish Dr. Oz.

Why wait, just eat him now. He IS the larger candidate, after all.

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Mar 2, 2003

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Velocity Raptor posted:



Why can't they just help people with no strings attached?

E: probably me getting a little bit :tinfoil: but by making it so the relief can only be spent specifically on gas, it's kind of an indirect relief package to the oil companies.

When manchin said "poor people spend relief money on drugs", I get the feeling he's not the only person who thinks that. The democrats have also internalized the republican "welfare queen" myth, and are terrified of helping someone who might not need it that bad.

Also, your bit about the relief package for the oil companies (even though they're getting more profit now than ever before) wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility either.

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Solkanar512 posted:

It's much simpler than that - if people who "don't need" help get help, then that's government waste and that's worse than death.

Unless your last name is "LLC" or "Inc", then the sky's the limit.

Meatball fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jun 17, 2022

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Mar 2, 2003

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Gumball Gumption posted:

Yeah, whether they believe the right wing rhetoric or not they absolutely believe it's more important to cater to the fact that Republicans believe it than give help.

This, 100%.

No matter what pudding brained bullshit the Republicans come up with, no matter how transparent the bullshit, the democrats treat the charge in good faith, and reorient their entire process to respond to that charge.

Voters do it too, they say "oh, we can't do that, the Republicans will say X Y Z", when the Republicans will say that, or just make something up out of whole cloth if it's more appropriate.

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