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Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



I heard HBO killed four horses shooting that jousting scene. Three to get the horse's fall just right, and then Matt Smith's horse heard a noise and got spooked and broke his leg right after.

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Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



Okay I don't know what the gently caress they're doing with this show. Show me a castration, a couple hand choppings, Matt Smith hitting it doggystyle in an very unnerving manner, a gross hamstringing, and now a nonconsensual murder/C-section and the episode is barely half over. Super not feeling whatever vibe they're going for so far.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



It's important to get the patient's consent before you murder them

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



I think you're nuts, Matt Smith is an insanely creepy villain. He's not hugely intimidating in a physical way, but he's got that same look Ramsay Bolton's actor had that makes him seem like a total sociopath who would have you gutted for the most minor, accidental slight to his ego.

I think you guys are too hung up remembering his part on that one show he did. I forget the name, but he was like a corny, low budget, live action version of Rick from Rick and Morty.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



QuoProQuid posted:

i like king soft boi and his clear discomfort at all this squabbling and how it forces him to make big, important decisions

the actor does a really good job of portraying a man who is not malicious or outrageously incompetent but a bad person to put in charge of a crisis situation

I think part of it is just the look of the guy -- dude in no way looks "kingly", he seems like any random schlub with a five o'clock shadow.

Can anyone give me a broad summary of this period of "history" on the show? I wanna be in on all the jokes when you guys are like "oh man, she's not gonna have a good time with this!" Spoilers away, I just want the longpost version because I'll never read another GRRM book.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



CapnAndy posted:

Given that they faded the words out until it just said "172 years before Danerys Targaryen" and that the entire episode was centered on Rhaenerya and if she's going to inherit the throne or not, I think they chose their reference point quite deliberately. Dating it based on the first reigning Targaryen queen is a reminder that things are not going to go the way Rhaenerya wants.

Yeah, also the first scene with Rhaenerya had her wearing a hairstyle similar to one Daenerys had, and they shot her from an angle where her profile looks almost exactly like Emilia Clarke. I thought they cast her on purpose because they wanted someone who looked like Daenerys, and it wasn't until later scenes where her hair is different that I realized how dissimilar she looks.

And thanks for the lore post!

Vegetable posted:

The GoT theme song gives me a shot of pure adrenaline from the show’s heydays and I can’t fault them at all for going with it. If anything I was disappointed we didn’t get more of it. D&D poo poo the bed but the theme song can do no wrong.

Me too and I hate myself for it. :( I blame 4-5 years of getting really excited every time I heard it.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



https://twitter.com/THR/status/1565085276703100928
Hah, that seems like a bad thing, right? Isn't Miguel Sapochnik the one guy from the original GoT show that seemed to know what he was doing?

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



I AM GRANDO posted:

Should I read the books?

lol no



e: ok in all fairness the first three books are very good reads, the fourth is actually not that bad but half the characters don't even appear and there's basically no progress to the main plots, and then the fifth book is kinda crap that also doesn't progress the plots very much. And then the story will remain forever unfinished so you'll never get any sort of closure (which retroactively makes the first three books worse, because they just get you invested in characters and plotlines that will never see a payoff).

Better off to just stay away imo.

Phenotype fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Sep 2, 2022

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



And if my grandpa was an accomplished carpenter instead of a horny old drunk then his house would be full of wooden furniture instead of beer bottles and porno mags.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



MrMojok posted:

This show is seriously good and I can’t imagine why anyone would speak against it.

It is known.

We were saying the same thing after 3 episodes of Game of Thrones, too, remember. It's easy enough to start out as a good show when they give you millions of dollars for production, but the tricky part is telling the entire story through to the endgame.

I've been having fun with this too, I just don't want to let myself get hurt again. :ohdear:

I did roll my eyes at like fifty archers failing to hit Daemon for five minutes straight, though. This isn't the Marvel universe where a single man can fight an entire army and storm the castle himself. It was obvious the dragon was going to come kill everyone for him, and it should have happened way earlier imo.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



Has her age been mentioned? I was only half watching the first episode or so, but the actress is obviously in her mid-late twenties. I assumed she was a full grown adult that Viserys was choosing over the child bride.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



Roman Reigns posted:

Alicent "When your father dies, Rhaenyra will take the throne!"

Aegon II "Okay?"

Alicent "That means her children will be her heirs!"

Aegon II "Okay?"

Alicent "That means they'll get the throne before you and your brothers do!"

Aegon II "O...kay?"

Alicent "SHE'S GOING TO KILL THE poo poo OUT OF YOU"

Aegon II :stare: "okay"

I dunno, I liked this scene and thought it was a reasonable fear. He's still a threat to Rhaenyra's matrilineal succession even if all he wants to do is drip semen on the heads of any unfortunate passersby, because despite whatever proclamation Viserys made back when he was worried he wouldn't have a male child, everyone still expects Viserys's firstborn son to become the next king. Even if he doesn't personally have any interest in it, Rhaenyra will recognize him as a threat regardless, and there's always the possibility of someone more cunning using him as a figurehead to destabilize their reign. It was probably a good call to get her doofus son to realize what a potentially dangerous position he'll be in.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



TyrantWD posted:

Vaemond was getting executed either way. He committed treason, and went beyond that in insulting the heir, and talking back to the king. Heck, the way he talked to the king was probably enough to be executed even if he didn't call Rhaenyra's kids bastards and her a whore.

Yeah, it didn't seem all that shocking that people just kinda watched it happen. This is the royal family, Daemon is the brother of the king, and this is a time period where civilization is just a tenuous truce between men who were really only a few steps above violent barbarians. Who's gonna grab the brother of the king and put him in shackles, even after he's just killed someone? No one except the king himself is going to take that kind of initiative, especially in the middle of the palace surrounded by armored Kingsguard.

Hey, couple questions from a bad TV watcher:

Have they officially abandoned the succession passing down to Rhaenyra now that Viserys has male heirs, or do people still think the succession is going to go to Rhaenyra and then her Strong sons?

What was Viserys trying to tell Alicent at the end? He said Aegon needs to rule because of the prophecy of fire and ice, right? I've seen it was a misunderstanding where he thought he was talking to Rhaenyra, but I thought Aegon was Alicent's son anyway.

Why couldn't Rhaenyra just say "Hey, keep it under your hat, but I didn't actually kill your son, he's off somewhere living his best life."

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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PostNouveau posted:

2. Rhaenyra named one of her sons with Daemon Aegon as well.

Oh ffs, I think I must have missed this and it made everything so confusing. These fuckers really need to come up with another half-dozen names that they like. It'll be okay if your son doesn't have the same name as his grandfather and his cousin, I swear.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



I am also having a hard time not thinking of Aemond (Aemond? the one that stole the dragon and lost the eye) as Daemon's son -- the new actor looks so much like Matt Smith that it took a minute for my brain to convince my eyes that he was supposed to be from Alicent's brood. Maybe it's just the chin? And the im-smarter-than-you expression.

Rappaport posted:

:rip: king Goon, the only GoT character who lived their best life and wanted everyone to just get along dammit

Yeah, I really felt for him here. The guy's just been so great all along -- a little bumbling (and probably gets up to the same evil war crimes as any king), but a legitimately kind family man who just wants the best for everyone at the table, and it kills him to think that they'll be literally at eachother's throats once he's gone.

e: also I'm sure it's been said, but the casting of the Velaryon family and Rhaenyra's kids is hilarious. Like, no, there is zero ambiguity there -- those kids are not continuing the Velaryon line, and everyone drat well knows it. They didn't even give them the white hair so they could keep up the polite fiction like "see, they've got Laenor's hair, but I guess the Targaryen bloodline made them come out as white kids," they've just got this common-looking mop of brown hair that sure as hell didn't come from Rhaenyra or Laenor.

Phenotype fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Oct 10, 2022

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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loved "you guys already had a plan to install my son on the throne, without me?"

and they're just like well its all good now right? you decided you wanted to do it too, and hey, awesome, we're all ready to go

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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CapnAndy posted:

Three primary sources: a maester, a septon, and a court fool. The maester was up to his neck in it and is dictating after the fact, so he's mostly trustworthy but has a tendency to make his side in general and himself in particular look good, the septon was there the least and has a tendency to make everyone more pious and kind, and the fool was there for things that took place in courts but was hardly invited to council meetings and was ignored because, y'know, fool, and then he pops up afterwards with a book all about how he's actually incredibly smart and everyone loved him and he was the person making all the decisions and also everyone else was just constantly loving and/or murdering each other in the absolute vilest ways at all times. If it's your sort of humor, it's pretty funny that you can practically see the fourth character, the in-universe maester collecting all these sources and trying to present an objective truth, grinding his teeth every time he has to admit that for all the typical nonsense, the fool's version of events is the most plausible.

Please tell me this isn't worth reading. I'm thoroughly enjoying this stupid Dragon House show and gently caress, that actually sounds like a very interesting setup for a book, but I swore I wouldn't spend another dime on anything gurm until he finishes Winds of Winter (and even then i might just pirate it because gently caress gurm).

Nail Rat posted:

It's a stupid scene. If she's not willing to fry them, looking like the bad guy by killing hundreds at the coronation certainly isn't gonna help the cause of Rhaenyra. And the character has not shown herself to be either an idiot or impulsive so it's a stupid loving scene.

I'm all for cool scenes with dragons but this particular one is dumb

Yeah, it's not dumb because of characters not following tactical realism or whatever, it's just that the scene shouldn't have happened. The only way it makes any sense at all is if she flew over there intending to kill them, and just kinda couldn't go through with it once she saw them all on the stage, even after she's just murdered a hundred innocent people. Which, okay, fine, I can accept that she had a change of heart, but it makes the scene feel somewhat manipulative on the part of the producers -- she JUST SO HAPPENS to make a huge spectacle at the end of the episode but stops short of killing any named characters. It feels contrived.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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So I'm doing a rewatch because I wasn't paying a ton of attention to the first few episodes. Why is Alicent so personally upset with Rhaenyra for being seen loving Daemon in the brothel? Viserys's anger makes sense, but why would Alicent care so much that she has to have an immediate teary-eyed face-to-face with her?

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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PostNouveau posted:

Luke spun out at Dead Man's Curve

Seriously, though, that's the analogy I've been using to describe it too. Just a couple of teenagers having a pissing contest that ends tragically because they're too young to respect the power of the toys they have access to. If it was a different setting it would have been a street race, but here it's dragons.

Hey, how did Laena get Vhagar in the first place? Can the Velaryons typically bond with dragons too? I thought it was a Targaryen thing.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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Oh ffs, inbreeding is a hell of a thing. I forgot she would have Targaryen blood through Rhaenys, she's not just an honorary Targaryen through marriage to Daemon.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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It strikes me that foot fetish people only get a bad rap because feet are like, the "weirdest" fetish that it's still okay to talk about in most casual situations. It's really kinda mild and harmless relatively speaking, I mean, there's piss people out there, and folks like the goatse guy (RIP) that have way more gross fetishes. But you can't casually make the creepy guy hint about stretching his rear end in a top hat out the way you can just make the creepy dude stare at the lady's feet.

Anyway, I'll have a 10-piece nuggets and a chocolate shake.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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Marsupial Ape posted:

The history nerd argument earlier involved GRRM’s deep time. The Greek Dark Age was only 3 or 4 hundred years, but when the classical Greeks thought Homeric epics were set at basically the beginning of time.

The last time the Night King tried an incursion it literally could knocked the literacy out of society for a couple hundred years. I think the maesters as a cultural institution may be a reaction to such a loss.

This goes back to a theory I had when the other show was running -- people in Westeros are all kinda stupid. Remember how it took Tyrion coming to town before anyone thought to rig some extra straps onto a saddle so Bran could ride a horse? Or how Littlefinger was a political genius who gave Sansa to the Boltons for safekeeping?

Even if you're an Einstein-level genius, you're gonna be grubbing in the dirt all your life until some rear end in a top hat soldiers come through and kill you and steal all your stuff. Unless you're part of like a couple dozen families who spend all their time fighting and being assholes and selecting for being even bigger assholes. There could have been a dozen steam engines over the course of a hundred years in Westeros, but the inventors keep getting killed or tortured to death for entirely unrelated reasons.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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even dune wouldn't have worked because the science behind the moisture condensers is that we have large bodies of water on earth that are filling the air with moisture to suck out

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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I think the actual line was something like "We either need to cut her open to get the baby out, or leave it the hands of the gods." I think the maester was presenting the only option as saving the baby or letting them both die.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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Marsupial Ape posted:

I have not seen the show, but everyone who recommends it to me lists everything you just said as reasons to watch. I guess it's like more awful Seinfeld? I'll give it a shot.

It's more of a character study than Seinfeld, but that's kinda the draw: watch these horrible-but-hellishly-rich people and laugh at their weird insecurities and dysfunctional family dynamics, and marvel at how their wealth has given them such a twisted idea of reality as they all try to screw eachother for their own completely unnecessary gain.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



it never occurred to me to go back and revisit that episode after getting a dope OLED and yknow what? I still don't think I'm gonna bother

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



Punkin Spunkin posted:

Hence why we'll be getting Sims/Monopoly movies from Margot Robbie.

You can just be that guy potentially but the key is you need to be a failson.

sims movie would have serious legs if they had the guts to make it about a detached menopausal wine mom putting a virtual family through increasingly elaborate acts of torment

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Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

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maybe ten years after ASOIAF magic just comes back somehow and there's all talking dragons and magic wizards and stuff

themes are for babies

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