Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
i am working on a bunch of OP posts for an update to our venerable minis painting thread. i am busy copy-pasting stuff from old OPs and some new OP stuff and some effortposts so this will have more shortly

in the meantime, please appreciate this picture of michael lonsdale as jean-pierre in ronin while posting



these OPs are always a catalog of random things goons think should belong in them. so if you have any suggestions for additions, post them. and if i don't post any more, just report your own post and ask a mod to add it to the OP.

Related threads
Building and painting miniatures for tabletop games is part of a larger scale modeling hobby, too large to fit into this one thread. You can always post or discuss any painted miniature here, but there are several threads with a narrower focus which might have more-specific advice or discussion.
  • The Oath Thread - Goons used to vow to finish a given modelling/painting project by a given deadline. In the past, it was organized into seasons with scoring, themes, achievements, etc. but lately it's much more informal.
  • Miniatures unspiration - If you know, you know. :scrunt:
  • Kitbashing - A kitbash is when you mix and match parts from different model kits to make something new, or just modify a kit with your own sculpting techniques.
  • TG sculpting - Traditionally-modeled original models you've made, generally from epoxy putty.
  • TG 3d printing - Models printed using a (usually) resin 3d printer working to a 3d CAD design. Not a :filez: thread (but neither is this one).
  • Terrain - Miniatures wargames usually need some terrain to shape the battlefield.
  • Scale modeling - Technically, all of these are scale models, and many of the techniques and tools are shared.
  • Gunpla/Plamo - Scale modeling/backlog collecting, but for weebs.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Feb 29, 2024

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
Getting Started
I am going to assume you have some miniatures to paint, from whatever game you play or some guys you bought just because you thought they were cool. If you don't, there's a wide variety of options, but a good place to start might be these guys without a bunch of complicated clothes to paint.

Tabletop miniatures are almost always going to be made of (high-impact polystyrene) plastic, (pewter or white) metal, printed resin, or poured resin. Metal is more common in older models, while the shift to resin is more recent. The most popular scale for models is 28mm, popularized by Games Workshop and used for many other games. But you also see 5mm/6mm scale models (Battletech, Epic 40K and Legiones Imperialis) and 40mm scale (Marvel Crisis Protocol, Star Wars Shatterpoint). (The scales only loosely relate to the actual size of the miniatures but that's a big long boring conversation.) There are different techniques for different sizes, but for the most part, the main tools are the same.

WHAT YOU NEED TO START
This is an arts and crafts hobby, so you will need tools. There are many, many other tools you can buy, ranging from gimmicks to practically indispensable, but these are the basics you won't want to go without.

A warning on tools: you can generally buy tools at the same game store where you buy your models, but they're likely to be overpriced for the relative quality. (Games Workshop's brand, Citadel, is infamous for this.) Most tools can be bought elsewhere, with less of a "gamer tax" for wargame-oriented brands.

A well-lit workspace: This does not have to be complicated but it does need to be large enough for you to access all the tools you're using at one time. It also needs a source of direct light, ideally one you can adjust as needed. A simple armature lamp will do the job just fine.

Work mat: A vinyl cutting mat, A2 or A3 or comparable is a good size. (Generally, >12" by >17" will do.) There are a variety of these, made for all sorts of modelling, paper, and sewing crafts, so they're easy to find. "Self-healing" mats are the right kind, but adhesive mats made for cricut are not. Any impermeable cutting board will do, but these cutting mats are cheap and ubiquitous, in hobby, sewing, papercraft, and art supply stores.

You are going to be cutting away from yourself and occasionally spilling paint or glue or solvent. You want a working surface that your blade can't cut through, which won't damage your blade, won't absorb solvents, and can be removed for cleaning or replacement.

Brushes: Assuming you weren't planning to use fingerpaints or a toothpick, obviously you need a brush. I recommend everyone start with at least a #2 brush, for covering larger areas, and a #0 brush, for painting details. Probably synthetic (aka taklon, polyester, synthetic sable) or a cheaper red sable brush. Atlas, which has practically no web presence, has a nice line of cheaper sable brushes for beginners. You can get brushes in craft stores or art supply stores, but don't spend a lot of money. You'll need to learn to take care of a brush first, and the same techniques apply to cheap and expensive high-end brushes. Plus, there are some tasks you don't want to do with expensive brushes anyway.

There are some gamer-branded brushes, including Citadel and Army Painter, with names describing their role rather than using traditional brush sizes. If you buy these, get a large area brush and a general detail brush, but honestly? These are overpriced and probably were not handled well in transit.

Kolinsky sable is the gold standard for brush fibers, but those are going to run you about ten times the cost, and require careful handling to offer any advantage over synthetic or cheaper sable brushes. If you already know how to keep high-end brushes in good shape and have the money to spend, feel free to start with the best.

Brush soap: For washing paint out of your brush. Master's Brush Soap is perfect and ubiquitous. You can get it in any sort of hobby, craft, or art store, and a little pot of it will run you about $10 and last forever. You don't absolutely need this but your brushes are on borrowed time if you don't have it.

Sprue cutters: aka hobby snips, clippers, or nippers. A set of clippers with one flat side, for cutting out parts of models to assemble them. (Sprue, in modelling hobbies, is used interchangeably to refer to the larger piece of plastic that you cut pieces out of, or any unneeded scrap leftover from the modelling process.) You can buy these in hobby stores, craft stores, or hardware stores. Any flat-edged clipper or cutter will do, as long as the flat edge is flush with one side of the blade(s).

Don't spend more than $10 on these! Really nice ones, usually aimed at gunpla modellers, are single-bladed and precision measured and razor-sharp, and they really are lovely to use. But they're not $100 nicer, and some of their advantages (mainly fragile, razor-thin blade edges) are disadvantages in the context of wargame modelling. Precision isn't that important, since you're going to be cleaning up the scars from where the parts connect to the sprue with a knife anyway.

Sprue cutters should not be used to cut anything harder than plastic, resin, soft metal, or similarly soft materials. Doing so will destroy the blades. If you need to cut wire, paperclips, pins, guitar string, or anything else, use proper wirecutters or pliers.

Hobby knife: An Xacto knife or equivalent, or some similar razor/hobby knife. You'll want this for cleaning up nubs from the gates (points of contact) of the sprue left on your models, mold lines, and other imperfections left behind by the molding process. You can find these in any crafting or hobby store, or even in office supply stores.

I swear by the Excel K18 but everyone has their preferences. If you're going to go with an Xacto-style blade like that one, what you're looking for is a safety cap, a shape that won't roll off the table, and a tightening collar that isn't under your fingers while you work. What you don't need is a storage case, or a bunch of one-off specialist blades. A first hobby knife will most likely be under $10. You can get various molded or comfort handles with knives made for papercrafters, but I find those are awkward and overly expensive.

For replacing blades, you're looking for #2, #11, or #11M Xacto blades, generally in bulk. Replace the blade any time your knife is starting to feel a little awkward, or if you get it fouled with glue or paint. (A sharp knife is much more predictable, and as such safer.) There are plenty of other handy blades and tool attachments, but none that a beginner needs to worry about overmuch. When it comes time to dispose of blades, make sure it's in a sealed container, because they will cut their way out of your trash bags otherwise.

Some people use breakaway hobby knives, or traditional scalpels. The former are less versatile, the latter much sharper but also much more fragile and difficult to find. These work fine if you're already comfortable with them, but an Xacto clone is cheap and already perfect if you're not.

A (dry) palette. This can be literally any flat smooth impermeable object that you're not going to knock onto the floor. Plastic, glass, or hard ceramic are all fine. Use a lid, use an old plate, it really does not matter. A friend of mine uses a little bubble-popping toy from the dollar store since you can just pop the paint residue out after it dries. Whatever works for you.

Something to hold water. For example, a cup that you won't knock over. Disposable ones work, although paper cups soak through surprisingly quickly, and tiny plastic cups aren't too stable. Coffee cups work great but maybe not if you also drink coffee while painting. You can start with one container but you'll quickly want more. You'll want a cleaning pot, then a separate pot for clean water to dilute paint, and a separate container or two for metallic paints or texture paints (because they have particles that can transfer to and contaminate other paints).

A handful of disposable styluses. Toothpicks, pieces of sprue, pieces of plastic rod, it really doesn't matter. You will want stir-sticks and glue applicators and scraping sticks that you can also throw away if they are fouled or broken.

Junk brushes. You don't need these right away but you will ruin brushes, and you should save them anyway. There are lots of jobs that will probably or certainly ruin the brush you're using, but basically none of them require precise brushwork.

Paper towel. You will go through so much of it.

You also need glue and paint.

GLUE

Unless you're assembling fitted models (and most wargame models aren't), you'll need some kind of glue to build them. And even then, you probably still want it.

By the way, don't try to attach a painted surface to anything. If you use superglue, you're simply attaching the coat of paint to the other object, so it will tear off easily. If you use plastic cement, it may not even form a bond. Scrape the paint off first.

Super glue. Cyanoacrylate, CA glue, crazy glue, it goes by a bunch of names. It can glue together basically anything in the hobby to anything else. In particular, it will glue your fingertips to literally everything.

Superglue becomes tacky almost instantly and dries very quickly. Plus, you can make it dry even faster using superglue accelerator. It does have a solvent, so it will destroy some materials, mainly foam.

You can get superglue as a thicker gel or thinner liquid, for different handling properties, but they're both the same thing when they dry. Any name brand is more or less as good as another, and if your hobby store has their own storebrand, it's probably made by Bob Smith Industries, a reputable and ubiquitous generic manufacturer. Generic stuff from a dollar store or something is a crapshoot, though.

Applying superglue directly from the tip of the bottle or tube is taking a risk. We all do it to save time and effort, but it's much more controllable if you apply it using a tool. Generally not a brush, as it will be instantly and permanently junked, but a toothpick or bit of sprue is fine.

Acetone will take superglue off of pretty much any surface, including your skin, but melts plastic, dissolves paint, and ruins some surface finishes or clothes dyes.

If you're using superglue with kids, bear in mind that superglue adheres to mucous membranes instantly. As a result, it can pose a choking hazard, and getting superglue in your nose (or huffing it) can cause nasty inhalation irritation. However, once dried, the hardened CA glue is generally safe.

Plastic cement. Also known as model cement or model glue. This is a solvent that dissolves styrene plastic, allowing it to chemically weld two pieces of styrene plastic together. This results in a stronger bond, and the property of melting plastic has more uses than simply attaching pieces together.

However, this (mostly) isn't glue, it's solvent, and only works if it has plastic to dissolve. As such, plastic cement can only attach a plastic model part directly to another plastic model part. (Not even all kinds of plastic; most plastic cements only affect the sort of plastic that opaque model parts are made of.) If the plastic is covered with dried superglue or paint, the cement won't work. If you want to attach metal, or resin, or literally anything else, you need to use superglue.

This also comes in different consistencies, with somewhat different applications.

Thin/extra-thin plastic cements are generally just solvent. The nice thing about them is that if you get the pieces you want to attach fitted together perfectly, you can form a perfect join with absolutely zero gap in between them, something you can't do with superglue. Extra-thin solvents also "wick" outward with just a light tap of the brush, covering a predictable amount of the surface with a thin layer through capillary action.

Tamiya Extra Thin and Mr. Hobby Extra Thin are popular and can be found in pretty much scale modelling store these days. Revell Contacta Professional isn't quite as thin, but is nice if you prefer a metal needle applicator over a brush. (You can clear a blockage in a metal needle applicator with a smaller needle, a thin guitar string, or holding a lighter under the metal applicator if you're careful.)

Thicker plastic cements are technically weak glues, as they have some resin mixed into the solvent. These work a bit more like superglue, so they are stickier, more forgiving, and can cross small gaps. However, they are considerably messier, and can leave permanent melt marks if they ooze out of a join. Testors and Revell are both reputable brands, and are sold in bottles with narrow applicators or else tubes.

Plastic cement is, at the end of the day, mostly made of strong organic solvent, so it's toxic and stinks. You can get limonene plastic cement (sometimes simply sold as "non-toxic"), which isn't toxic and generally smells like oranges. It's slower to work, slower to dry, and doesn't form quite as strong a bond, but "cooler" cement can also be situationally useful. Limonene comes as thicker cement from Testors, or extra thin from Tamiya or Mr. Hobby.

Other glues are not strong enough, not controllable enough, or too bulky to use when assembling miniatures.

PVA glue, the white glue kids use in school, is hand for attaching porous materials to each other, and okay for some tasks working on terrain or bases. There are a lot of uses for it in modelling but it's not something you can use to assemble model parts.

Other hours, like hot glue, epoxy glue, rubber cement, and such are only useful when building terrain at best. There are some with specific gimmicky uses (like non-solvent-free Uhu glue) but generally they will just make a big mess that ends up in the unspiration thread.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Feb 29, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
PAINT - this guide isn't finished yet and is full of my hot takes so feel free to post opinions/corrections

For miniatures, most painters in wargaming chiefly use water-based acrylic paint. It's easy to thin, easy to clean, carries pigment well, and dries to a tough but flexible coat.

Buying your first paints

For your first paint, pick a brand you can buy by the bottle in person, generally at a game store, scale modeling store, or maybe even an RC store or model train store. It doesn't matter if it's one of the really good ones: you want to be able to see what you're buying before buying it.

Try not to get too attached to Citadel paint if you have any alternative. It costs more than most brands and it's no longer even one of the nicer brands around for most applications.

If you're going to buy a starter set, pick a box with no more than about a dozen bottles. More than that and you're going to find that any savings from buying the box is offset by too many paints you will never, ever use. There's generally little benefit to buying a $100 or more case of paint, let alone a several-hundred-dollar pack of all of the paints in a line, unless there's nowhere local to see and check paints before buying them or you want to jump into one of the brands that sells mostly online.

Likewise, you should generally skip paint sets that are some kind of brand collaboration, like WizKids, D&D, Cyberpunk Red, or Zombicide. While sometimes they're okay, most of the time these sets are overpriced, have cost-cutting measures like smaller bottles, have oddball color names you have to look up in a chart to match to the manufacturer's regular paints, or have hues you can only get in that set.

If you really, truly, just want a link to a newbie-friendly paint set, get Vallejo Basic USA Colors 70.140. Don't spend more than 40 USD/GBP/Euro unless you're reading this in 2027 or something.

There's going to be several thousand :words: on types of paints after this, but don't worry too much about it. Outside of a handful of gimmicky products, there's no paint so bad you can't paint with it. Even cheap and crappy craft paint will do the job, you'll just have to apply more thin coats of it.

Brands and basic paints

Citadel is Games Workshop's brand, and noted for its ubiquity, consistent quality, and significantly higher price. Citadel paints are almost never actually bad - although some are gimmicks with extremely narrow applications - but they are consistently 25-50% more expensive per ml than their competitors, with some specialist paints costing a lot more. Plus, rather than the standard dropper bottles, they come in flip-top bottles with a little ledge under the bottle cap that serves as a palette. That's handy if you're a space-constrained 12-year-old, but mostly annoying to anyone who uses proper palettes, especially since the caps inevitably crust up with dried paint. You can transfer Citadel paints to dropper bottles, but that's more expense and potential mess.

Citadel has a half-dozen lines of different types of paint, and most of the successful specialist lines are described below. Their basic paints are Base, paints with their traditional creamy, thick consistency and satin finish. Layer is less heavily pigmented and has a smoother, thinner consistency. Citadel Dry paints are as thick as half-dried paint, almost a paste, and a weird bad experiment in drybrush-specific paint.

In the last few years, Citadel's competitors in water-based acrylics have really stepped up their quality, often launching new lines on Kickstarter or selling exclusively online. They have smoother, often-thinner paints with better opacity and flow, as well as different finishes. Citadel is no longer the best around, and there's no clear runaway winner among these new paints.

A non-exhaustive list of top-quality new or revamped lines:

Pro Acryl is the store brand of UK chain Monument Hobbies, and set the curve for all the recent revamps. If Pro Acryl paints aren't the only first choice now, then at least they were the first choice first. Pro Acryl paints are very thin - almost runny - but very intensely pigmented. Their consistency makes them a bit of an acquired taste, but the quality is outstanding, including their (sadly few) washes and metallic paints. In fact, the line doesn't really have most of the gimmicky specialist paints, nor as many different colors as some. But you know how to mix and blend paint, right?

AK Interactive 3rd Gen is a gigantic line mainly aimed at historical wargamers and scale modelers. The paints are smooth and quite matte, and the very large line includes lots of historical color-matches for uniforms, livery, and camouflage schemes. I don't know why nobody ever seems to mention them, they're another top-of-the-line brand. In any case, don't just look for the AK Interactive brand: their Real Colors line are solvent-based acrylic, a different kind of paint entirely, and they sell lots of specialized paints for specific scale modelling applications.

Two Thin Coats is the prototypical Kickstarter paint line, and is the the personal brand of Duncan Rhodes, painting youtuber formerly at Games Workshop. As such, his line is closely based on Citadel, albeit often imitating older and well-loved hues or paint lines that GW has since discontinued. Two Thin Coats is heavily marketed - any youtuber you watch probably has a gratis set of it - but it does live up to the hype. The paints are quite opaque, smooth in application, and matte when they dry. In particular, the entire line is very consistently high quality: 2TC doesn't have any bummer colors, or goofy specialist paints that don't quite work out.

Vallejo Game Color is a long-time brand that recently (in 2022-2023) revamped their entire line to catch up, and the results are excellent. The paints have a smoother, thinner consistency than most (although not quite to Pro Acryl's level) and dry mostly matte. VGC is a Goldilocks line, not too big and not too small, with a decent set of specialized lines which are mostly good. The only weak point is their metallics, which are quite mediocre.

Incidentally, Vallejo Game Color is one of the older lines still around. There are plenty of bottles of old VGC still floating around as a result, and while the quality is fine, they don't have the consistency or coverage of new VGC. The old bottles have "GAME Color" in thin script serif font, while the new ones say "Vallejo GAME COLOR" in squarish bold sans-serif.

Scale75 is another high-quality brand that I know basically nothing about other than it's generally great.

At the time I'm writing this, Army Painter's new Fanatic line is getting good reviews, on par with the other new-generation paints, but is only available in a several-hundred-dollar box with most of the entire line.

There are other popular lines, of course. Ammo by Mig (it's his name, not an acronym) is a high-quality water-soluble line, honestly on par with the above, but has a consistency aimed more at airbrush users. Vallejo Model Color is a large line of high-quality but relatively muted colors, with a fairly thick consistency and many, many historical match hues. Reaper Bones and Reaper Master Series are thicker and relatively middling-consistency paints, respectively, from longtime miniature manufacturer Reaper, and dry fairly matte. These are quite good lines, on par with Citadel and all significantly cheaper by ml.

Other basically fine brands include Warcolours, Green Stuff World's paints, and Coat d'Arms. None of them are super popular or remarkable for their quality, but they're better than cheap craft paint.

The only common hobby brands to be somewhat wary of are P3 and Army Painter Warpaints. P3 is (was?) distributed by Privateer Press. Due to that company's various woes, there's a lot of very old or somewhat questionable paint bottles floating around. Check bottles of P3 for bad separation or drying out before buying them. Army Painter Warpaints was AP's line before Fanatic, and it was just okay even before standards started creeping up. The washes and metallics and spray paints are all decent to great, but the regular Warpaints are mediocre.

Contrast and other speed paints

Contrast paints are magic. They're translucent paints that promise to let you paint a model with just one coat of paint. The way it works is that when you apply a Contrast paint to a light-colored base coat, the Contrast paint medium wicks into recesses and flows slightly downward, forming natural shadows and highlights. It started with Citadel Contrast, but it's such an ingenious idea that several other manufacturers copied Citadel, and at a significantly lower price.

A popular way to use Contrast paints is "slapchopping." Apply a black basecoat (often a black primer), drybrush the raised details with white or else lightly airbrush the raised and upper sections of the model with white (known as a "zenithal" highlight), then apply the Contrast paints over that. The contrast between the black and white make the translucent color and pooling even more effective.

(This is grisaille underpainting if you went to art school, and the techniques of grisaille carry over. If you want to carefully apply light and shade in stark white and black before overpainting with translucent paints, you can totally do that.)

Citadel Contrast is the most popular of these lines, to the degree that there really isn't any other name for them besides "contrast" paints. And, gonna be honest, it really is the nicest of all of them. It just costs 50% more per ml compared to the competitors.

Army Painter Speedpaint 2.0 is just as nice as Citadel Contrast at two-thirds the cost, and can be used the same way. Plus, they have an absolutely gigantic line, bigger even than Citadel and Vallejo. However, they're just slightly buggy, for lack of a better word. They will reactivate Liquitex inks, for example, making a muddy mess of the Speedpaint and the ink. And before applying a very light opaque color over a relatively dark Speedpaint, you should wait for an hour-ish for the darker coat to dry. None of these are dealbreakers, and it's vastly improved over the original Speedpaint line, but Speedpaint 2.0 can be a bit temperamental.

Vallejo Xpress Color, part of their Vallejo Game Color line, is also high-quality, and about as cheap as AP SP2.0. They mostly aren't as intensely pigmented as Citadel Contrast, and are a bit more transparent. This is neither bad nor good in and of itself. It won't overwhelm slapchop/grisaille highlights as much, but it might need a second coat for the full color intensity. This is strictly a matter of taste. VXC Intense paints are as pigmented as Citadel, but they only come in a few colors.

Green Stuff World sells a line of "dipping inks" that work like Contrast. I've never tried them, but I'm given to understand they work well enough. You can't beat the price, at less than half of AP SP2.0 and VXC and less than a third of Contrast. You can just tell where the corners were cut, with less dye making for less intense coverage.

AVOID

Army Painter Speedpaint, without the 2.0, looks fine, but it tends to "reactivate" or "re-wet" after drying, if you simply paint over them with a wet brush or another paint. There's some wet-blending and pinwashing tricks you can do with these, but if you just want them for painting, they're a pain in the rear end. Anything you'd want to do with them can probably be done more easily with retarder medium or oil washes anyway.

Army Painter also has metallic paints in both the Speedpaint and Speedpaint 2.0 lines, and I don't see the point. They're metallic paints. They don't do the Contrast thing. They're perfectly fine metallic paints but you can't really drybrush with them so they're just inferior metallic paints. Maybe I'm missing something.

There are two brands of mediocre Contrast clones, and to discuss why they're mediocre, we need to talk about what Contrast is and how it works. Contrast, VXC, SP2.0, these are all technically inks. They create a translucent filter that darkens as you add additional coats or allow them to pool. This is as opposed to paints, which aren't translucent the same way. As you apply a thicker coat of traditional paint, eventually you just get a smooth coat of the color of the paint's pigment.

Warcolours Antithesis and Scale75 Instant Colors are traditional paints with a Contrast-like medium that is supposed to make the pigment pool in recesses. And it does, for the most part, but you end up with bright solid color in the recesses, rather than the shadows you get with inks. It just doesn't work. Obviously even goofy and bad paints are useful for something, but if you like this look, you can just mix your own regular paints with Citadel Contrast Medium or Army Painter Speedpaint 2.0 Medium. There's little reason to bother with these.

Washes, inks, shades, and dips

Metallics

Terrain paints

Airbrush paints

Other gimmicks

Mediums

Primer

Non-hobby acrylics

Other types of paint

Polyurethane paint is technically acrylic. But it's tougher, much more flexible and adhesive, and very self-leveling (which means an uneven, sloppy coat will tighten as it dries to make a smooth, even surface). However, it's a pain in the rear end to mix or dilute, and doesn't tend to be opaque with a single coat. The main use for it is as a primer paint for your miniatures, as described above. There are more-heavily-pigmented polyurethane paints, but they're mainly for RC and scale model car applications, and don't have great properties for miniatures except as primer.

Solvent-based acrylics are similar to water-based ones, but use a solvent in addition to or in lieu of water. Alcohol-based acrylics can be applied with a brush and usually cleaned up or diluted with water, but they're finickier and solvents are better for some solutions. They're most popular with airbrush users, where their consistency and drying time is perfect, and you're wearing a mask so you won't have to smell them anyway. These are generally aimed at scale modelers and gunpla builders; Tamiya is one of the most popular brands.

Enamel paints make tough, thin, hard coats. However, they're really expensive, have to be thinned or cleaned with solvents, are hard to remove, and the paint itself is basically toxic waste. You can get the little square Testors jars or the Humbrol tins, but unless you grew up using them, there's no call to start. Some popular specialist paints are enamel, though, like the (much-imitated) AK Streaking Grime.

Oil paints require entirely different painting techniques from acrylics. Mostly they're used for washes or filters over an acrylic basecoat. Again, these need to be cleaned with proper solvent. A little bit of black or sienna oil paint heavily thinned with white spirit is is a great way to make your models look rainstreaked or filthy, and if you overdo it, you can simply remove the excess paint with a clean brush wetted with solvent.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Feb 29, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Cease to Hope posted:

my usual green stuff tools:
  • silicone-tipped tools, mainly a round cone, a diagonally-sliced cylinder, and a flat wedge. these work like brushes, and let you move or adjust details without leaving a tool mark.
  • an awl spike. it's pointy, you want a pointy tool. i've also used a dentist's pick but i couldn't find a local med supply store that would sell one to a random person when i looked
  • metal ball-tipped tools, mainly a ~3mm ball, a <1mm ball, and a <1mm pointy ball (like a reverse tear drop). Sometimes you want a tool that will leave marks, or just want to bash the epoxy into place. these make good crude adjustment tools, better than everything in a "sculpting tools" set i got as a gift
  • a blunt-edged spoon-shaped tool about 4-5mm wide. this is just for digging out a bad project mainly
  • both edges of my xacto knife. for lines, scraping, twisting on the point to make cone-shaped holes, etc.
  • some crappy nivea knockoff hand lotion. water-based lotion rules. put a glom of it on the back of your off-hand and use it to re-lube tools or fingers. very little residue (unlike oil/grease-based options, like vaseline). cleans up with your bare hands.
  • nitrile glove for (at least) my main hand. professionals do not leave fingerprints.
  • a plastic shot glass with a small amount of isopropyl alcohol. this goes on with a junked brush to smooth fingerprints or other fine marks on most epoxies. it's also necessary IME to clean up tools when using grainier epoxies, like mulliput, especially off of my silicone tools.
  • a smooth, flat, clean rolling surface free of glue drips, shavings, fragments, etc. it's easy to forget you need this until you need it.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Feb 29, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
Links to non-video guides

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Feb 29, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Feb 29, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
random effortpost dump


Spanish Manlove posted:

What paint did you use on the second model's pants? It looks pretty spot on for blue jeans

Cthulu Carl posted:

Vallejo Model Air USAF Light Blue ( 71.111) then washed with Drakenhof Nightshade

good rear end advice for painting jeans if you ask me

Cease to Hope posted:

Speaking of which, a while back I found an incredible guide to using plastic cement, both to make bonds but also a bunch of secondary applications. And, for once, it's not a gd video.

For these guides, GW plastic models and bases are styrene (except for clear plastic canopies), but third-party bases may not be, even if they're plastic.


Cease to Hope posted:

I dunno why I wrote a whole giant effortpost for stripping paint but here it is.

First off, if the models are filthy, wash them with regular dish soap and a dish towel. Hand-safe dish soap won't damage any models as long as you don't break out an abrasive scrubber. It's not that solvents can't wash these off but it's just pointless contamination.

Regardless of what solvent you use, the basic process is the same. For handling, you want gloves (latex/rubber is always fine, nitrile almost always), and always do this in an area with active circulation or outdoors. If you're inside and can smell what you're using but can't hear the circulation, that's probably not somewhere you should be doing this.

If the solvent won't destroy the actual model, let it soak while fully immersed in a sealed container for about an hour, overnight, or a couple of days, depending on the strength of the solvent and the paint used. If the solvent will destroy the model, either let it soak for 5-15 minutes (probably best to test with scrap material) or go straight to the active cleaning. If there's some part that will be actually destroyed by the solvent that you don't care about (eg bases, the plastic parts of an old mixed metal/plastic Warhammer model), it's probably best to break most of it off as early as possible. If you can't, check daily and get the ruined part out of the soak as soon as it's easy to break off.

Whether or not you soak, the actual cleaning process is the same. Get a brush with firm flexible bristles, like a toothbrush or nylon brush. (The firmer the bristles, the lighter the touch.) You're mainly looking to push the paint off of the model, since scrubbing can lead to an uneven coat of leftover paint that smooths out all the details, or actually abrade the details of the model itself. Dab on more solvent with the brush as you go. (If the solvent will damage the model, make sure to dab it off with a paper towel after.) Once you've gotten all of the loose paint off, you can soak again if necessary. Once you're done, all of the solvents you should actually use evaporate in open air, so just let the model sit in a well-circulated or outdoor place.

As for picking solvents:

If you need to strip acrylic paint (pretty much any water- or alcohol-based paint), your best bet IMO is isopropyl alcohol, ideally 90% or 99%. You can get it in a pharmacy. (If you have them on hand, other high-concentration alcohols - methyl/ated or "denatured" alcohol, distilled spirits, everclear - can work, just not as well.) Alcohols are nonreactive with everything models are commonly made of except resin, so it won't destroy detail unless you physically abrade it off. It's also pretty much the least toxic popular choice for stripping model paint except some of the non-toxic patent cleaners. Still, use nitrile/rubber gloves and do it outdoors or in a place with active circulation.

Alcohols can be disposed of by letting them evaporate (outside!) or at paint disposal sites. (Recycling centers can often do this.) If you filter out the paint residue, most alcohols can also be dumped down the drain if you dilute them as you do, so like pouring slowly into a fully running sink or dumping them in the toilet. Concentrated alcohol or a significant amount of solid paint residue are bad for household pipes, though, and you really don't want to be dumping isopropyl into a septic system. Solid paint residue separated from the solvent is just trash. Alcohols pretty much never attack their containers, either.

If it's not acrylic paint, you will need something harsher. Unfortunately, all of these react with styrene plastic (and most other soft thermoplastics used in miniatures and model kits). However, all of these are safe for metal models and still work to remove acrylic paint, so if you want to skip straight to the harsh stuff because you have it on hand and already know how to handle it, be my guest. Anything from here on down generally needs to be disposed of at a paint or toxic household waste disposal site. Dumping them into a sewer system or regular trash is very stupid and may even be illegal.

Turpentine (not "mineral turpentine" or "odorless turpentine", the real thing) is the traditional paint thinner, and usually what people mean when they say "paint thinner" with no other qualifications. It's your best bet for removing pretty much any hobby paint, and most other paints someone might've put on a model. However, it will react with most plastics that model kits are made out of, particularly styrene, the thermoplastic most wargame models are made of. In particular, Testors, Revell, and Tamiya all have enamel lines that are or were popular for hobby paint and model kits.

Turpentine is a good balance of being actually harsh enough to work quickly without being so harsh that it's guaranteed to cause damage. You can dab, brush, and dab off on plastic models without causing too much damage. It's also similar to alcohol in that you can filter it, dispose of it by letting it evaporate outside, and in that any turpentine-soiled trash can be dried outside and then just tossed out normally. Alternately, you can just treat it as toxic waste. Note that clear containers of turpentine in the sun or bags full of turpentine-contaminated trash are both spontaneous ignition hazards. They are literally oil-soaked rags.

Acetone (non-odorless nail polish remover) is the magic bullet of last resort. It will dissolve basically any paint, basically any hobby plastic, and break down basically any hobby glue. It's the go-to to clean a model fouled with superglue, too. However, it also attacks nitrile gloves and quite a few kinds of plastic container. You can usually buy it at any pharmacy or grocery store or department store as nail polish remover, but try to get 100% acetone since there are other solvents used in some nail polish removers. (And "odorless nail polish remover" is not acetone at all.) You can also occasionally get it as glue remover, although there are a few other common solvents sold under that name.

The main reason you'd need acetone is because someone used lacquer paint, a spray paint/varnish intended for actual cars or outdoor furniture, or something completely bizarre like house paint or nail polish. (There are hobby lacquer paints from companies like Tamiya or AK but they're mainly aimed at model cars or RC/drone vehicles, which are made from different plastics.) Any plastic model with a paint like this is a writeoff unless you can just paint over it. When working with it, do it outside or with an actual fume hood, and wear actual rubber/latex gloves. (Again, acetone dissolves nitrile.)

The actual acetone in the container it was sold in is a hazard but pretty typical household one, on par with camping fuel or spraycans. Don't keep it somewhere hot, don't leave it in the sun. If you need a new container, metal, glass and HDPE (recycle #2) plastic are nonreactive, and an opaque container is better. It attacks a number of common kinds of plastic, including recycle #1 and #3. While HDPE itself is fine, other plastics with that same sort of milk-jug texture generally aren't. You technically can filter acetone to reuse it, but that means a lot more tools you need to check for safety and more contaminated trash, and unlike weaker solvents, it tends to have more dissolved contamination from reaction products. It's not worth it.

Contaminated acetone is toxic waste. Acetone-soaked trash is both toxic waste and a spontaneous ignition hazard, like oil-soaked rags. All of that goes to paint disposal sites. Spills in well-ventilated spaces are not a big deal since acetone evaporates (unless it can damage what it was spilled on), but you don't want to dispose of a container of it that way.

Isopropyl, turpentine, and acetone aren't your only options. They're just the best ones, since you can get them as pure chemical rather than mixed solutions or secret formulas. Everyone has some sort of home remedy, and most of them can kinda work, if you're willing to work around their disadvantages.

First off, there are lots of things that seem like they work but don't actually do anything to paint. You can rub off pretty much any paint with simple mechanical abrasion. These are all basically comparable to soap and water, and you can have some success with some paints, especially older or cheaper acrylics on older unprimed miniatures. Mechanical action always risks abrading or crushing detail if you use too harsh a cleaning surface, do it for too long, or use too much pressure.

Actual abrasives are an option. Toothpaste, any gritty household cleaner, a wire brush, or any scraping blade. Obviously, this comes with a risk of damage.

Lots of people swear by various nontoxic patented household cleaners. Simple Green is really common but there are others. These usually kind of suck, and need to soak forever. Honestly, I find most people do some of the worst damage with these, because they end up scrubbing to make up for the weaknesses of the solvent. (Plus, you'll want to search online and make sure it doesn't actually dissolve plastic.) Most of them are a mix of some sort of enzyme and/or mild oddball solvent with some kind of surfactant/detergent (soap). Unlike pretty much literally everything here, they are a lot easier to use and dispose of, although you still don't want to pour solid paint residue down your sink unless you want some clogs with interesting colors.

Most household cleaning solvents are close to useless. Ammonia and vinegar will dissolve some acrylic paints if you soak them in strong solutions for like a month. Bleach isn't useful. Don't bother.

Degreasers usually have some kind of useful solvent, but it can be a crapshoot which, and many of them are secret mixes. There's no general rule but I've never found one worth using. Note that some are dangerous for plastic, like orange degreaser (aka Orange TKO), whose main active ingredient is also sold as plastic cement.

Speaking of which, citrus solvent (aka citrus thinner, lots of brand names) is quite bad at dissolving dried paint but very effective at ruining styrene plastic. It's only good for long soaks for metal minis, and is mildly less toxic than turpentine, but not so much you wouldn't still want to take the normal precautions.

There are a lot of petroleum-based solvents that can work. These are not one single solvent but a class of them and generally sold as a mixture, so they have lots of names. They're also called white spirits, mineral turpentine, and petroleum spirits. Naphtha solvent is part of this family. Paint thinner or nail polish remover that specifies it isn't turpentine or acetone but doesn't specify what it is, that's also probably a mineral spirit. Odorless paint thinner is also almost always a mineral spirit, albeit a less harsh one.

Mineral spirits are usable. They are a bit less effective on paint than turpentine (especially odorless thinner, since the chemicals with harsh smells are the harsh solvents), and they often attack plastic even more aggressively. They do actually work, though, they're just kinda worse all-around compared to proper turpentine.

Glycol-ethers are another family of chemicals, and, when they're pure, they all work more or less about as well as turpentine or mineral spirits, while also destroying styrene plastic. (Formaldehyde or glycol as part of a chemical name is a common tell. Alternately, methyl- or ethyl- can be a tell, but methyl and ethyl alcohols are alcohols.) You don't actually want to buy these to use as paint stripper, in any event. They're usually too expensive at a proper concentration, many of them don't evaporate cleanly, and most of the ways they're sold are mixed with other problematic ingredients. I mention them because there are hobby "spot remover", "glue remover", or "paint remover" products that are safe for other kinds of plastic, not the ones generally used in miniatures. Also a lot of One Weird Trick home remedies are something with a high concentration of glycol-ether, like brake fluid or antifreeze. They're just a pain in the rear end and they have no advantages over other options except that you might already own them.

Anyone who advises you to use actual fuel is a maniac. Thankfully I don't see this any more, but people used to suggest poo poo like kerosene. Not only is this an incredibly stupid fire hazard, contaminated fuel with paint or melted plastic in it is a pain in the rear end to dispose of and leaves you with a container of fuel that will wreck an engine or stove, if not start a fire. Do not do this.

If someone has One Weird Trick that sounds interesting, search for the name of the product and SDS or MSDS. Pretty much every compound that actually works on paint that isn't an abrasive is flammable or toxic, and that means shipping it requires a standardized disclosure sheet. This is a good way to figure out what is actually in something before you go and dunk a model in it.

Edit: I forgot ultrasonic cleaners. They work, even the ones made for silverware, jewelry, or dentures. They are technically mechanical rather than chemical, but they won't generally damage detail.

However, do not put flammable solvents in household ultrasonic cleaners. This includes alcohol, even though lots of idiots will tell you to put isopropyl in one. It works! It can also explode. Do not clean your minis with a bomb. There are explosion-proof industrial cleaners that are certified to not spark and you can use those with solvents, but generally they're not consumer-oriented as far as I know.

Cease to Hope posted:

decals on textiles really need weathering to look good, and weather differently from paint on a hard surface.

is it screened or dyed? this is the most like paint. screened designs generally fade significantly faster than anything else, showing underlying color in a patchy way. edges similarly become more diffuse. sponging the base color works really well to weather a screened design, although the whole thing also starts to show through the base color too. filth and shadows should just cross straight over its boundaries. go-to reference material is old, vintage, or distressed t-shirts.

is the design woven? the edges should be slightly soft, as the weave gets uneven through wear. the logo will absorb filth and stains differently, producing a color that's a mix of the stain and the dye in each area of different dye. translucent washes can be a real crapshoot on this; sometimes you just need to paint overlapping stains different colors. if the clothing is threadbare, there are some additional concerns here but it doesn't look like that's what you're doing. flags are usually woven and there's lots of reference for those, although they tend to get threadbare too.

is the logo sewn onto the cape, like a patch? in that case it's a separate piece of cloth. it folds with the cape but slightly separately or offset, and may have a raised edge and/or visible lines of attaching stitches. if the cape is torn, it can separate near the tear, and may have its own tear. this is the main way to put a logo on leather. reference material is harder to find for this but look at old, filthy safety clothing, like hi-viz suits or firefighter gear, or well-worn bikers' vests and the patches.

is the logo embroidered? it should have a different surface texture, slightly uneven color due to its texture, and orderly but not perfectly straight edges. it's gonna fold differently and fray near a tear, and may form creases and fray along folds. fraying can give it uneven edges or surfaces, and embroidery can shred or abrade away without the cloth being pierced. it's probably more useful to look at the ways jeans or lace fray for reference on damaged embroidery.

there are other ways of adding designs to clothing, but none of them would be used to attach a single dominant logo. it could be interesting to have, say, chaos-logo-print cloth but you wouldn't use decals for that.

Cease to Hope posted:

Firearms aren't like most steel objects and weather in a counterintuitive way. Steel parts on a gun that will be exposed to the elements are generally plated with a mostly non-reactive metal, or else chemically treated to passivize and increase the hardness of the steel parts. This means, despite still looking metallic, they wear more like a painted metal object, because they have a coating that can abrade, nick, wear down from friction, etc.

You see much faster wear in any place the firearm is held, under the aiming finger, and any surface that rubs against the user or a holster. In particular, the inside - the side facing the chest - of a longarm will be significantly more worn because it's the side against the body when the weapon is slung over the back. Holster wear tends to abrade the end of the barrel and/or forward end of the slide, the front sight, the sides of the slide ahead of the trigger, and the front of the trigger guard. For pistols in particular, this holster wear goes both ways, since the parts of the firearm inside the holster are more protected from the elements.

Nicks or scrapes are bright shiny silver immediately, then accumulate dirt and (orange) rust, or else black tarnish. Wear depends on the finish, but once the layer is worn away then you start to see rust, pitting, etc. The usual weathering of metal exposed to the elements. However, even if the gun's owner is an ork and doesn't give a poo poo, the high-friction areas will still generally be worn smooth even if they show the telltales of rust clusters. Only very degraded metal would be rough under the shooter's palms.

Which of the two protective coatings a firearm would have depends on the vibe you're going for. Hardened steel is ubiquitous and cheap in the 20-21c IRL, while nickel plating was common in the latter half of the 19c, especially as guns moved from actual gunmetal (a bronze) to steel. Chemical treatment in the 19th century is fancy, while by the 20th century electroplating is only common as a purposefully nostalgic design or to decorate a firearm ostentatiously.

You've almost certainly seen hardened steel guns. The most popular treatment today is a matte black finish that does not read as metallic, although there are other colors (mainly a reddish brown), almost all of them matte. This wears by slowly losing the surface, getting more metallic and shinier in a patchy way. The color change is the opposite of the way a coin or jewelry acquire tone over time, since a layer of intentional tarnish is being destroyed rather than deposited. In addition to the actual friction, the pattern of the wear is similar to the way any rolled steel plate wears. At 32mm, this should not be super noticeable unless this is meant to be an heirloom, centuries old, etc.

Older finishes would be brassy, bluish, translucent or satin black, or even brownish or purplish. Even older bluing methods might even have swirls or clusters of these colors. These older treatments are often polished to a shine, matting down with wear almost immediately. This layer wears off the same way as the modern finishes, but it's less obvious because they're less even. I'm glossing (heh) over like a century of practical and decorative styles here so it's hard to make general statements beyond the basic nature of all passivization treatments.

Sponging with the underlying metal color (probably dull grey) and rust orange looks good for wear on passivized finishes. Avoid streaking or textured corrosion unless the gun is meant to be scrap metal, like something used by undead, a 40K ork, a Nurgle worshipper, etc.

If the firearm is plated, plating metals are generally shiny to begin with, matting down with wear. plating is prone to chipping or, in extreme cases, peeling. These will generally expose the duller, grayish underlaying metal (possibly as a shiny nick in an extreme case) but quickly turn black or orange from oxides and filth. These finishes won't rust (although they can certainly tarnish!) except where the plating has been physically scraped, but the plating can tarnish or corrode, or even be peeled or bubbled by chemical reactions or extreme temperatures.

Plated guns just tarnish until they're so abused that they're pitting or peeling. This doesn't mean they don't acquire wear, it's just generally in the form of accumulating filth and black tarnish except where extreme wear or deep gouges get into the underlying ferrous metal. Think of the guns as literally being covered with metallic paint in bright silver/brass/gold, then wear them the way a high-wear painted metal object would wear. Just don't do the usual weather-streaking unless the gun is meant to have been found on the ground, or else is owned by a zombie or something.

Cease to Hope posted:

Tossing out some hobby gift advice for Eargesplitten or whoever else is encouraging a new hobbyist, in a form that can be handed off to parents or relatives:

The DSPIAE nippers are luxury ones but don't go for quite as much as God Hands. (They're very good clones, good enough to have their own rep.) They go for about $40-60 and some of the Gunpla importers sell rebranded ones; if you look them up, you'll get an eye for which single-blade rebrands have the same exact shape but with an engraved store logo. They're a "treat these carefully" kind of gift, so maybe not for someone younger who hasn't ruined a set of clippers or two. It's something you find in specialist hobby stores, mainly online.

If they're old enough for Xacto blades, Xacto tool blades are super handy. Concave curve blades (with a sickle style edge) and hobby saw blades are super useful, the former for cleaning mold lines and the latter for kitbashes or base modeling, but lots of people just don't know that they exist. A second Xacto handle at the same time is handy as heck; a cheap one or clone is usually as good as a name brand. No need to get the big chunky "comfort" handles that cost like $20-25 and are aimed at papercrafters. (I like the Xacto Gripster or Excel K18, both less than $10, but any handle that you open or loosen somewhere other than where you grip is good.) Hardware stores, craft stores, scale model stores, or game specialist stores are all possible places to buy the specialized blades, and you can get Xacto handles pretty much anywhere.

A jar of Vallejo terrain paste paint. It's super fun to play with and makes bases look cool as heck on it's own, and comes in a 40 ml bottle for $7-8. Just pick whatever kind of thick mud looks neat to you, since it can be repainted once it dries. Scale model/RC stores and some specialist gaming stores will have this; any place that sells scale model tanks and isn't a pure toy store is a shoo-in. If specialist model or game stores don't carry Vallejo paints, they probably know who does, or have a comparable brand to recommend. (Citadel is GW's overpriced brand so not that.)

Green stuff, with a set of sculpting tools, ideally containing a pointed metal awl tool, a spatula of some sort, and silicone-ended sculpting tools. (They look like brushes, and cheap ones still do the job.) Green stuff is flexible, smooth-textured air-drying modeling putty and it's an absolute gamechanger. The tools are the ones that are super useful all the time; there are lots of tool sets for sculpting but lots of them are filled with useless crap or tools aimed at other types of sculpting. Green stuff is usually sold as a blue and yellow tape, or occasionally small pillars of yellow and blue material. Specialist game stores definitely sell green stuff, and modeling or RC/drone stores might. Any kind of generalist craft store might occasionally have the putty and will almost certainly have the tools. (There are other types of two-part epoxy clay, but they're more advanced and situational. Green stuff is a gamechanger when you first learn about it and everyone can use more.) A big bottle of generic moisturizing hand lotion for a couple bucks is a good companion with this, since it's the best tool and finger lubricant I've yet found. (Lasts longer than water, but still evaporates, rather than leaving residue you have to wipe off when you use grease like Vaseline.)

All of these things are things people may not know they need, but are immediately and obviously useful, and all of them are things they can use more of even if they do use them already. And except for the scalpel blades, they're all good for any age or skill level as long as they're past putting things in their mouths.

richyp posted:

Agreed, thanks to Leperflesh's post I already have a better understanding of the arcane workings of cameras.

In terms of lightboxes, I made a ghetto box out of cardboard box that I cut the top and front off, then I taped the top of a sheet of white paper to the back, and the taped the bottom to the under side of the box making sure that the paper was curved rather than creased (so there's no sharp line on the picture). Here's a shot of it:



I'm then taking pictures from about 12-16" away from the box. Followed by lloading the picture into gimp, choosing "Colors->Levels..."

Click the white dropper:



Click on the white paper "lightbox" background in the image and voila:



The picture would be sharper if I had a tripod because my understanding is that the shutter speed is slow enough that any minor movement is making its way into the final picture.

Note: this is an effortpost from 2018 and some of these are discontinued

Avenging Dentist posted:

Below is a list of the best-loved paints from any range. This list is compiled from posts both here and on other forums (mainly CMON), plus a few recommendations from various painting videos. I broke it up by fairly-arbitrarily putting each one into a basic color, and within each color, they're sorted roughly from light to dark. A :h: indicates paints that lots of people love. If there are paints people think I missed, let me know (in the thread or via PM) and I'll add them.

Whites/Greys/Blacks
P3 Morrow White (93073): Pure white; very good coverage
:h: VMC Ivory (70.918): Non-chalky almost-white
:h: VMC Deck Tan (70.986): Good for highlights and mixing
Reaper Linen White (9061)
Reaper Ghost White (9063)
Reaper Snow Shadow (9021)
VMC Neutral Grey (70.992)
VMC German Grey (70.995): Near-black
Reaper Noir Black (9289): Near-black
P3 Thamar Black (93072): Pure black

Browns
VMC Pale Sand (70.837): Useful for skin highlights, eyes, teeth
VMC Iraqui [sic] Sand (70.819)
P3 Rucksack Tan (93062)
VMC Brown Sand (70.876)
VMA Armor Brown (71.041)
P3 Bloodstone (93029)
Reaper Woodstain Brown (9160)
Reaper Walnut Brown (9136)
:h: VMC German Camo Black-Brown (70.822): Very dark neutral brown, good for shading
VMC Hull Red (70.985)
Reaper Brown Liner (9064)

Reds
VMC Carmine Red (70.908): Bright, warm red
VMC Red #33 (70.926): Fairly bright, cool red (just a bit darker than VMC Carmine Red)
VMA Ferrari Red (71.085)
Reaper Old West Rose (9283): Good mixer for shading skin
VGA Bloody Red (72.710)
Reaper Bloodstain Red (9133)
VMC Black Red (70.859)

Oranges
Reaper Amber Gold (9032)
P3 Ember Orange (93023): Good for shading sand

Yellows
Reaper Golden Blonde (9033)
P3 Cygnus Yellow (93025): Non-chalky bright yellow
VMA Golden Yellow (71.078)
VGC Scrofulous Brown (72.038): Good undercoat for painting yellow on top of

Greens
VGC Scurvy Green (72.027)

Cyans
Reaper Marine Teal (9077)
Reaper Surf Aqua (9078)
Reaper Seafoam Blue (9195)
:h: P3 Coal Black (93046)
Citadel Incubi Darkness

Blues
VMC Dark Prussian Blue (70.899)

Purples
Reaper Violet Red (9026)
Reaper Pale Violet (9027)
VMC Violet Red (70.812)
VMC Blue Violet (70.811)

Flesh Tones
Reaper Tanned Skin Triad (9043-5)
Reaper Dark Elf Triad (9163-5)

Metallics
:h: VMA Silvers (71.062-5)
Reaper True Silver (9207)
Reaper Aged Pewter (9196)
P3 Pig Iron (93074)
Vallejo Metal Color (77.xxx): Water-based metallics generally considered among the best Vallejo metallics
:h: Scale75 Metal & Alchemy (SSE-009, SSE-010, SSE-021): Much finer mica flakes (the shiny stuff) than other brands

Washes/Transparent
VMC Transparent Yellow (70.937): Good for saturating yellows
Citadel Casandora Yellow: Good for saturating yellows
:h: Tamiya Clear Red (X-27): Great for blood effects
Citadel Drankenhof Nightshade: Good for shading bluish whites
Citadel Agrax Earthshade: Good dark-brown wash
Scale75 Inktense Chestnut: A less glossy version of GW's old Chestnut ink
Army Painter Strong Tone Ink: Good dark-brown wash (very close to Agrax Earthshade)
Army Painter Dark Tone Ink: Good black wash
:h: VMC Smoke (70.939)
:h: P3 Armor Wash (93012): Bluish-black wash

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Apr 14, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
very old link list, need to weed this

PaintVagrant posted:

PHOTO HELP LINKS
http://www.miniaturewargaming.com/index.php/wiki/Photographing_Miniatures_From_Wee_Toy_Soldiers/]

GENERAL PAINTING LINKS

FTWs GIGANTIC LIST OF LINKS
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/p/archives.html

B&C Space Marine Painter Tool
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/smpbeta.php

PAINTING TUTORIAL LINKS
Biel-Tan Eldar Tutorial
http://www.whmpg.com/?page_id=76

A SHITLOAD OF BASING LINKS
http://www.necrotales.com/necroTutorials/tut_base_plants01.php
http://archive.brushthralls.com/basing/back-to-bases-1-textures-2.html
http://archive.brushthralls.com/basing/back-to-bases-2-cork-and-snow.html
http://archive.brushthralls.com/basing/back-to-bases-3-protectorate-basing.html
http://thepaintingcorps.blogspot.com/2009/05/friday-quick-tip-cork-basing.html
http://blog.brushthralls.com/?page_id=3381[/url]
http://www.necrotales.com/necroTutorials/tut_base_rock01.php
http://salmondworks.com/blog/?p=156[/url]
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=146

Snow Bases:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/12/tutorial-snow-basing.html
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat1290202&pIndex=0&aId=4400036a&start=1
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/c...mes+Workshop%29

SCULPTING LINKS
B&C making "scaled" cloth/etc guide:
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=180116

INSTAMOLD/ETC QUICK CASTING LINKS
http://cgi.ebay.com/Oyumaru-Clay-Creative-toy-Reusable-Mold-Making-Kit-/300535222492
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8FwUEFMzY
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3210214&pagenumber=344#post391368435

SUPPLY PURCHASE LINKS
Winsor and Newton Series 7 Brushes:
http://www.dickblick.com/products/winsor-and-newton-series-7-kolinsky-sable-pointed-round/
http://www.dickblick.com/products/winsor-and-newton-series-7-kolinsky-sable-miniature-brushes/

Modeling:
Brass Rod Weapon Hafts: http://salmondworks.com/blog/?p=278
Greenstuff Icon Molds: http://swchq.co.uk/minus_ts_guide_to_greenstuf.php
Greenstuff Tips and Tricks: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/242387.page
Greenstuff to disguise joins: http://blog.brushthralls.com/?page_id=1696
Make a Foamcore Rabbet Cutter: http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/infopages/page381.html
Pinning: http://archive.brushthralls.com/modelling/pinning.html
Pre-Heresy Terminator Shoulder Pads: http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2009/01/pre-heresy-terminator-shoulder-pads.html
Resin Casting Tutorial: http://ultrawerke.blogspot.com/2007/02/resin-castig-tutorial-part-i.html
Scratch Building Tutorial: http://ultrawerke.blogspot.com/2007/03/scratchbuilding-tutorial-part-i.html
Sculpting 101: http://blog.brushthralls.com/?page_id=1666
Sculpting 102: http://blog.brushthralls.com/?page_id=1875
Sculpting Chains: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/242226.page

Painting:
Object Source Lighting: http://blog.brushthralls.com/?page_id=1916
Painted Horses: http://thepaintingcorps.blogspot.co...inting+Corps%29
Female Eyes: http://www.reapermini.com/TheCraft/12
Female Faces: http://www.jenova.dk/Faces.htm
Female Faces (another): http://www.minizilla.com/sintricat/painting_faces.html
Playing with Fire: http://archive.brushthralls.com/painting-techniques/playing-with-fire.html
Rust Effects (with real rust): http://www.wideopenwest.com/~tinweasel/rust_tut.html
Sepia Gold: http://thepaintingcorps.blogspot.com/2009/04/friday-quick-tip-sepia-gold.html
Skintones: http://www.jenova.dk/Skintones.htm
Sponge Painting Damage: http://i41.tinypic.com/2qvggtx.jpg
Step-by-Step Chaos Warrior: http://www.jrn-works.dk/tutorials/tut.php?tut=chaosWarriorIntro&lan=eng
Tank Weathering: http://thepaintingcorps.blogspot.com/2008/03/here-is-old-tutorial-from-old-painting.html
The Painting Clinic: http://www.paintingclinic.com/MainClinic.dwt.htm
Painting Leather: http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2010/01/painting-leather-quick-way.html

Photos
Homemade Light Box: http://www.studiolighting.net/homemade-light-box-for-product-photography/
How to Make a Light Tent: http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-inexpensive-light-tent

Terrain:
Books & Scrolls: http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/infopages/page562.html
HirstArts: http://www.hirstarts.com/index.html
SalmondWorks: http://salmondworks.com/
TerraGenesis: http://terragenesis.co.uk/
Terrain Thralls: http://www.terrainthralls.com/Tutorials%20folder/Tutorials.html

Airbrushing

HKR's airbrush post: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3210214&pagenumber=100#post374381003


Chat
irc.synirc.net #tinypewtermen

MORE
General/multi-topic, full of tutorials, occasional poor english (most authors on the site are German): http://massivevoodoo.blogspot.com/2009/10/tutorial-overview.html
Useful forum with a large number of outstanding painters posting (Australia focus): http://www.mainlymedieval.com/ozpainters/index.php
Sand-casting foam terrain: http://www.reapermini.com/TheCraft/48
Process behind a nice resin display base: http://www.reapermini.com/TheCraft/49
A couple decent tutorials/step-by-steps from an excellent painter: http://volomir.blogspot.com/

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Feb 29, 2024

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
Remember:

https://youtu.be/RbhcRKsRwFM?t=71

PS if you want me to quote/link your effortpost please link it for me tia

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Feb 29, 2024

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Yes another pot of acrylic paint will surely fix me

Shoehead fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Feb 29, 2024

Cardboard Fox
Feb 8, 2009

[Tentatively Excited]
I like to put paint on the miniature. Sometimes even multiple layers.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Hello, new Painting Thread.

I've been on a dry streak of just not being super motivated to paint much the last few months (Though I did put together a lot of terrain and started working on a van because I decided that my Majestic-13 squad needs transport that shows up on the game board)

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Shoehead posted:

Yes another pot of acyclic paint will surely fix me

Each pot is a step away from the light of the dropper bottle.

Slyphic
Oct 12, 2021

All we do is walk around believing birds!
FIRST! (model pics in the new thread)

An Iguana gear (light mech) for Heavy Gear Blitz. I'm usually good about writing down my painting notes and posting on my blog so I can find them, but I totally spaced out the previous camo recipe I used on my other stealth gears, so just winged it. It came out more intense and I'm not quite as happy with it, but it'll work.
From this angle and with the macro lens, you can see the hole I accidentally drilled through the gun when pinning it, but which I literally can't see any other time.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Put the tracks on and some varnish before I make it even dirtier than it already is

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
I am busily adding new crap to the OP as I go

stabbington
Sep 1, 2007

It doesn't feel right to kill an unarmed man... but I'll get over it.
If you run out of paints, you die. Make sure you keep buying them.

Winklebottom
Dec 19, 2007

You need to ask yourself, do I need another shade of brown?

The answer is always yes, yes you do.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Cease to Hope posted:

Likewise, you should generally paint sets that are some kind of brand collaboration, like WizKids, D&D, Cyberpunk Red, or Zombicide. While sometimes they're okay, most of the time these sets are overpriced, have cost-cutting measures like smaller bottles, have oddball color names you have to look up in a chart to match to the manufacturer's regular paints, or have hues you can only get in that set.

Small typo here in an otherwise great developing OP!!

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
I'm no Nebaladingdong, but after seeing his Full Spectrum Dominance minis, I thought I'd have a go.



They're pretty fun to paint for being the size of my pinky nail.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


I do not own brush soap and never have. But on the other hand, most of my brushes are hosed.

EDIT: I also disagree with the photography advice in the OP, dark or black backgrounds are much better to photograph against.

Anyway, here's the extremely tiny men and tanks that I've been working on this year.














Leggy-o Audax

Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Feb 29, 2024

Slyphic
Oct 12, 2021

All we do is walk around believing birds!
Finally figured out my camo colors (Reaper Faded Khaki, AP Scaly Hide, AP Monster Brown) But because I am dense and must learn everything at least twice, I forgot that it looks better with all the stripes in the same orientation. Got one model left in this batch, so still time to get it right.

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

stabbington posted:

If you run out of paints, you die. Make sure you keep buying them.

I think we have a new thread title.

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"
I know some people, who carefully buy only the paints they need and they're all cowards.
Biggest boxsets for life.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

i suck at painting and i also hate it but i love miniature wargaming and well, thusly,

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I like painting, it hits my ocd just right like other nerdy things, I hate army painting because it gives me goals, pressures, and deadlines which obviously doesn't mix well with the rest.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Lostconfused posted:

I like painting, it hits my ocd just right like other nerdy things, I hate army painting because it gives me goals, pressures, and deadlines which obviously doesn't mix well with the rest.

actually this may be it

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style
I like putting together little guys and I wanna make my bases feel like little dioramas. You should look at my bases and think "it makes sense that a little skeleton lives there thank you"

Slyphic
Oct 12, 2021

All we do is walk around believing birds!
I thought for a long time that I read to relax (averaged ~60 novels a year for more than a decade) and painted when relaxed, but the pandemic taught me I was totally backwards and it turns out I paint to relax and read when relaxed. As such, for more reasons than just the quarantine, I've dropped to maybe 30 novels a year but I'm painting a ton more models. Also like assembling models, the more complicated the better; give me your multipiece metals and I'll happily pin and modify them. Also love a good game.

Basically I like every aspect of wargaming.

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe

Shoehead posted:

Yes another pot of acrylic paint will surely fix me

You may already have that color of paint, but do you have that color of paint?


I didn't know that was going to be exactly what I needed to see today.

Hedningen
May 4, 2013

Enough sideburns to last a lifetime.
I need to learn to paint better, but I do sculpt a ton.

I will wait to report back with final results, but someone finally pointed out the Scibor’s putty blend isn’t greenstuff and polyclay, but is in fact greenstuff and plasticine.


Initial results with a quick lunchtime squig are promising, and my morning cure test is hardening nicely as well. Will test it for general hobby usage, but if it cures and takes paint nicely, then prepare for sculpting and converting to get much, much easier.


Also painting some orcs for Kings of War.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Some please post scrunts.

Maybe I'll post my terrible battletech paint jobs. They probably belong in the other thread though

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Cease to Hope posted:

AK Interactive 3rd Gen is a gigantic line mainly aimed at historical wargamers and scale modelers. The paints are smooth and quite matte, and the very large line includes lots of historical color-matches for uniforms, livery, and camouflage schemes. I don't know why nobody ever seems to mention them, they're another top-of-the-line brand. In any case, don't just look for the AK Interactive brand: their Real Colors line are solvent-based acrylic, a different kind of paint entirely, and they sell lots of specialized paints for specific scale modelling applications.

AK Interactive used the Holocaust for paint tutorials and setting in articles produced by them. It was met with a lot of criticism. I think whether or not the company's staffed by neo-nazis or if they're just absolutely clueless is an open question, but it probably explains any lacking presence of AK Interactive products in guides and discourse.

Slyphic
Oct 12, 2021

All we do is walk around believing birds!

Star Man posted:

AK Interactive used the Holocaust for paint tutorials and setting in articles produced by them. It was met with a lot of criticism. I think whether or not the company's staffed by neo-nazis or if they're just absolutely clueless is an open question, but it probably explains any lacking presence of AK Interactive products in guides and discourse.
I remember trying to figure that out when it all happened, and the impression I got was that the company was a lot of young edgelords, and I find that hard to hold against someone as long at they grow out of it. Was it a one off, or the start of a pattern? (genuinely asking, I don't follow hobby drama much)

Slyphic fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Feb 29, 2024

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

i suck at painting and i also hate it but i love miniature wargaming and well, thusly,

:same: except I also like 3d printing goofy things and feel compelled to paint them.


It's the coffin dance meme with a dreadnought sarcophagus

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Slyphic posted:

I remember trying to figure that out when it all happened, and the impression I got was that the company was a lot of young edgelords, and I find that hard to hold against someone as long at they grow out of it. Was it a one off, or the start of a pattern? (genuinely asking, I don't follow hobby drama much)

I don't know. I hadn't heard of them until I had false start no. 2571 in 40k and was looking for paints in 2021. I asked a group if they were any good and the response was the company were probably neo-nazis. I have no idea what the word is now.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007



Finished up this old, old Dark Emissary model. Gonna use him as a chaos sorcerer.

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Geisladisk posted:



Finished up this old, old Dark Emissary model. Gonna use him as a chaos sorcerer.
I've always loved this mini. Yours looks great!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I am here to appreciate Michael Lonsdale. I like to think his character in Ronin is the same one as Day of the Jackal

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007

Star Man posted:

AK Interactive used the Holocaust for paint tutorials and setting in articles produced by them. It was met with a lot of criticism. I think whether or not the company's staffed by neo-nazis or if they're just absolutely clueless is an open question, but it probably explains any lacking presence of AK Interactive products in guides and discourse.

I don't really think its that as much of a boneheaded decision that whole thing was. Streaking grime is still a super popular product that you see a lot of in the hobby space.

There's a few channels that do dabble in AK Gen 3. Cult of Paint comes to mind most readily. The Painting Phase talked them up a bit after getting sent some product. They pop up on vince's tutorials. They're known for doing one of the best whites (not dodging the neo nazi allegations there lol)but are otherwise kind of just standard paints that don't seem exciting enough to build a youtube clickbait video around. You don't really see Kimera pop up much any more because everyone has done the only video you can really make about them.

I just don't think they have figured out their marketing for the mini community as well as Army Painter, Monument, and Duncan has. Even with their main visible successful product streaking grime they mishandled the relationship with the main channel known for popularising it to the point he started his own enamel wash line.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply