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OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

NihilCredo posted:

Just finished the Night Lords omnibus and drat, its reputation is well deserved I'd say.

I'd like a palate cleanser/ pick-me-up before I start another tragic novel, though. I've already read Cain's books, The Infinite and the Divine, as well as Brutal Kunnin'. Are there any other comedy or comedy-adjacent books I can read in the setting?

Ciaphas Cain is oldhammer and has jokes.

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OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Arcsquad12 posted:

So if Armageddon is still meant to hold the record for largest land war in Imperial history os that counting the Horus Heresy or just the "Age of the Imperium"?

Armageddon had three conflicts. One was Daemons, two were Orks. The 3rd War For Armageddon is like.... all the Orks. Every last one, attacking every hive city at once.

No idea how it scales to the Heresy. I don't think it matters much, personally.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

D-Pad posted:

Actually the rest of the planet is hosed too. Horus released cultists and dregs on the entire planet. Not to mention the emperor's children hosed off and went on a rampage on the rest of Terra. By this point in the siege there isn't anywhere safe.

I think it's the 2nd siege book where it's described that the first bombardment isn't even aimed at the palace. It's at all the green spaces the Emperor was trying to rebuild. He was trying to make Terra a living world again rather than a nightmare of industry and hive cities, and Horus said 'lol nah'

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

wiegieman posted:

The duel between Horus and Emps is a mythical battle in the warp. He can't just have the dude shot from orbit.

I prefer to think of it as 'it would be boring and make for a poo poo piece of vanart to shoot the emps from orbit'

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021
Just remember it needs to go horribly wrong/horribly right at the same time!

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021
Where is the best place to sell Limited Editions? I've got a copy of the Talon of Horus and Black Legion that I'd like to sell.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

How much you want for Talon of Horus? I've had Black Legion sitting lonely on my shelf for a while.

Ebay's listing it for 400 in very good condition. I'd like around that.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Kevin DuBrow posted:

I knew there was going to be no shortage of grimdark in the Night Lords trilogy but I was still taken aback when ADB describes a baby being held by its legs and smashed against a wall, or introducing a seven year old and having her murdered on the same page.

The third book is one hard reminder that the Night Lords are MONSTERS.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Dog_Meat posted:

ooh, ooh... guess who ACTUALLY killed Horus. Like, the Emps was all like "OMG I'm losing" and Olly was all like "What shall we do?!" but then ShadowShinobi does a cool flip on his skateboard and TOTALLY takes out everyone in the room before adjusting his fedora, drawing his hanzo steel and killing horus. And Horus is like "foiled again, drat you!". Then the Emps goes for a burger with ShallowKid...

I mean, he does die in the Novella that takes place after the Solar War. So does everyone else.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Xenomrph posted:

Is it Trazyn the Infinite? He should cameo in everything, just stealin’ poo poo.

I'd be down for Trazyn as an easter egg in the background nicking stuff.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

NihilCredo posted:

The final battle has Trazyn play a RTS match against the big bad. Also robot catfishes, exploding dinosaurs, and Trazyn lands the sickest xeno burn on the Imperium I've ever read.

What's the burn on the Imperium?

Also that whole book rules, I'm going to relisten.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Bertilak posted:

I have a quick question. Are the Watchers of the throne or the Vault of Terra series worth a read? Are they friendly to a reader who doesn't read a ton of the continuity heavy books (ie I prefer the books that stand on their own without needing to know exactly the details of what is happening in the broader setting beyond what a passing knowledge of the major players gives)? If it helps, I recently read the Infinite and the Divine and Brutal Kunnin and loved both and I am working my way through the Ciaphas Cain series, which I am greatly enjoying.

HARD YES. First Vaults of Terra is one of my favorite 40k novels, period.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Arquinsiel posted:

Alright, I'm buying that book ASAP.

You should! It is genuinely one of the best pieces of 40k fiction available. The Necrons are more human, if you don't mind the term, than the humans of the far future.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021
I think john French just does not give two shits about Titans.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Miguel Prado posted:

Are there fans of Erebus?? Erebusters? And if so, they must be right wing extremists?

Nobody likes Erebus because he is SO OBVIOUSLY a chump with power. Even right wingers see the guy and think 'I could do better.'

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

D-Pad posted:

Fabius Bile is Josh Reynolds not French. It is well liked. Worth a read IMO.

John French's inquisitor series The Horusian Wars is actually very good and probably his best work. I wouldn't skip it.

Counterpoint, it isn't worth the time.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Rugikiki posted:

The only McNeill I’ve read is Forges of Mars and I loved it, is the other stuff that much worse or am I just broken?

Forges of Mars is his best work. The rest is often uneven. I give him a lot of respect because he's kind of responsible for there being a Black Library imprint at all, but yeah Chris Wraight is as prolific as McNeil while being quality every time.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Dog_Meat posted:

I liked the Solar War because it captured the sheer mind boggling scale of the invasion. Like, that is an obscene amount of ships, Holy poo poo!

Also Angron gets out on the hull and yells at dad. It rules.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Inspector_666 posted:

At least one Custodian isn't sure if he can take a chapter master, I assume a Primarch would win.

Valdor is implied in numerous places to be near-Primarch level.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Deptfordx posted:

Oh it's not a sophisticated literary criticism.

My brain just goes *Nope* every time I start reading about Necron doings.

Its not Necrons. Its interdepartmental university feuding.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

D-Pad posted:

Jesus Christ The Wolftime is also available on Kobo right now. Purchased and downloaded. Not supposed to be out for two weeks.

Is Russ back or no?

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021
Saturnine is really good but Penitent is Abnett's best writing, IMO. He just nails the high-victorian horror aesthetic that makes domestic 40k so much fun to read.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Warden posted:

The part where they have an autoseance session where they first raise the ghost and then get invaded by the sorcerers was loving incredibly on the Audiobook.

Let us in.

Oh yeah. That and the race through the catacombs? loving incredible.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

orphean posted:

I just finished plowing through both of them. I loved the scene near the end of the second book where Khayon just straight up asks “so you’re Horus, right bro?” And Zeke’s reply of “does it matter in the slightest?” :discourse:

That was the perfect antidote to Wolftime, can’t believe I hadn’t read them yet.

Easy Kyle being an rear end in a top hat and utterly refusing to give straight answers to the answer collectors is always hilarious.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

D-Pad posted:

I would [I] strongly[/] suggest you read Rites of Passage. It's amazing. Alpharius is great too. Dude can write. My favorite of the new crop of BL writers.

I second this. While the ending is not quite up to the quality of the rest of the book as it turns into standard 40k fight porn, (although how the problem is ultimately resolved is conceptually neat) the exploration of navigator house politics is a very fun and tense ride.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

I'm still finding it hard to believe that Adrian Tchaikovsky is going to write a book for Black Library, he's a legit sci-fi author that in no way needs to write corporate fiction.

Apparently the big draw is the reliable and serious paycheck you are pretty much promised by writing licensed fiction. It's why a lot of authors happily churned out a dozen Star Wars or Star Trek books: The audience is already there, they have money, and they'll give you some too just for showing up and not sucking completely.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Frogcroakley posted:

Aww, you're all being well nice. Thank you <3

Re: BSG... yes! No jokes, I originally pitched the book to BL as "Reverse Battlestar Galactica", so it's been there since the start. And aye, the name of Chapter 7 - "1,981 seconds" - is a direct homage to the BSG episode "33". The irony is I actually don't like BSG that much. I loving _love_ the concept though, so it was great fun to have my own stab at it with Reign.

As for the timing and the nature of the crusade.... you know, I'll come clean and admit I just left this one completely opaque on purpose. All too often when writing 40k, the second you tie yourself to chronology and/or location when you don't strictly need to, you paint yourself into a corner. I had thought about directly linking the crusade to Indomitus, but the continuity checks would have been a right old snarl-up, and someone still would have found a contradiction somewhere anyway. I guess in my own head, the crusade is just a particularly massive effort coming out of the segmentum solar.

Perhaps even while Indomitus is going on, for that matter! Two things I really try to get across in TDK are 1) how mind-bustingly huge the Imperium is, and 2) what a shitshow it is on an organisational level, and a separate religious crusade parallel to Indomitus really hits those notes. I love the idea that while large robert is trying desperately to pool all his resources for a desperate push to reunite the Imperium, some barking mad space pope announces that Saint Damiane's bones have mandated the destruction of a nearby necron empire, and requisitions a huge chunk of navy to get the job done. But like I say, this is just something I thought - the text leaves it very much open, so Indomitus could theoretically be in play.

A quick behind the scenes question, if you don't mind. I buy most of my 40k stuff through Audible. Do you get paid fairly for your time and effort that way? Why or why not?

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Telsa Cola posted:

Theres like one TS, Azahaman or whatever, whose entire driving purpose is to undo the curse that hosed over like 99% of the legion and bring his lost brothers back.

As far as I am aware only he and maybe some sorcerers allied with him have actual decent goals. All the other sorcerers are generic cackling madmen.

Also the Lamenters are the good guys. It's why they keep getting hosed over.

Ahriman caused all the trouble that he's trying to undo.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

bob dobbs is dead posted:

the worse-at-writing team is really the nepotism team - gavin thorpe got his black library gig as reward for 20 years loyal service to the game design side of games workshop and almost surely couldn't survive outside the warm embrace of the loss-making black library, same deal w/ andy clark for a decade's loyal service, whereas dan abnett and robert rath and such are actual writers with outside-of-BL creds who can survive without it. guy haley is in-between, because he started off at white dwarf

I think that's why the recent cron books have been good: they sent what the internal org perceived as the B team, the outsider freelancers, to do it while the perceived A team, the nepotism peeps, wrote the main space marine stuff

I don't buy your analysis at all. I think it's the other way around. The Space Marine books are known sellers - BL can be absolutely safe with them, let THEIR in-house writers take no risks and turn out something on time and under budget (not to be sneered at in the pulp fiction world!) that is good enough for bolter porn. Its the Xenos stuff where you have to be willing to take risks on, as it is not a known seller. As such, it is an excellent place for contract writers to take risks. If the book doesn't sell much, or if the lore in them is not well received, you can memory hole them.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

bob dobbs is dead posted:

thats entirely compatible with what i said: the perceived A team is the perceived A team because they're company men

Oh, okay. I thought you meant A-team as in top guys, but you were using it as in the go-to guys when you need a book, any book.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Rugikiki posted:

Isn’t that from the GoT crossover fanfic?

Yes. Which is surprisingly well written.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

bob dobbs is dead posted:

the black library is lossmaking

citation needed

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021
I'll post a review of the Twice Dead King series when I finish the second audiobook.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

AndyElusive posted:

Any of the Deathwatch novels any good?

Was thinking of picking up The Omnibus or The Long Vigil since it's an anthology.

They're a resounding 'meh.'

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Angry Lobster posted:

Why don't you like it? I find that idea compelling, and adds depth to their character.

I think that, when confronted by things they can't murder their way out of, Space Marines being basically emotional children fits the cruelty inherent in their creation. They are, essentially, souped-up child soldiers.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021
I have a review of the two Twice Dead King books released so far.
The first, Twice Dead King: Ruin, benefits from an overall stronger character arc and more interesting plot. Necron vs Necron is more interesting, I feel, than Necron vs Humans. Ruin better captures the horror inherent to Necron existence than Reign.
That is not to say that Reign is bad! It's certainly a good followup, but I feel some of the character changes of the protagonist were not as strongly followed up on as they could have been. Also, the plot of Reign is basically 'And then it got worse' for 4/5ths of the book length without the overall situation substantially changing, which wasn't as gripping as Ruin where the driving force for the protagonist substantially changed over the course of the story. I didn't like that some interesting characters didn't make it out of Reign alive, but I suppose one of them has a drat good reason to be not as dead as initially thought.
The action is generally good in both stories without ever feeling repetative. The lore deep dives are also good. I think the more Necron mind metaphysics present, the more interesting it was to me as a reader.

I'm glad the (minor plot spoilers) monoliths eventually got summoned. I was going to be annoyed if they weren't.

Overall Ruin was a 5/5 book while Reign was a 4/5 book for me.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

0konner posted:

At least this is the hand gesture I picture when they talk about “the sign of the Aquila”

Gotta link the thumbs. The eagle has two heads.

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

kim jong-illin posted:

New Assassinorum book (Kingmaker) by Robert Rath, the guy who did The Infinite and the Divine) is really good - Vindicare, Callidus, and Vanus hijinks on a feudal Knight world. All the Assassinorum short stories preceding this novel are also worth reading, they're very punchy and fun and the antithesis of Space Marine bolter-porn.

edit: jeez, just totalled up the number of Horus Heresy and WH40K books I've read and logged in the book tracking app I use and it's at least 149 books, including all the short story collections. There's about another 8-12 or so books I've not logged in there yet too.

I'm here for Robert Rath and Mike Brooks. Nate Crowley is also very good, and I think a poster?

OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

euphronius posted:

I bought it based on this . I’ll let you know

It's honestly one of those books where I wanted more of the leadup before the big fight at the end, like an Eisenhorn book. Watching an Assassin squad infiltrate a highly ritualized Knight world was cool.

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OPAONI
Jul 23, 2021

Plucky Brit posted:

It was always amusing in the Night Lords series when one of them would say something like: "We built the Imperium, so we get to destroy it." Except that everything they have direct control over (like their ships) is worn down and decrepit. They never built anything, they just destroyed everything so that others could build.

The self-deception is my favorite underlying theme in the Night Lords trilogy. I think it's explored best in book 2, where somebody shows them incredible respect, makes a bargain incredibly in their favor, and they still manage to gently caress it all up.

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