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Remember back at the beginning of his term when Obama was saying that Limbaugh is the unelected leader of the Republican party? And some GOP congressman denied that, but within 48 hours offered profuse apologies to Rush for any perceived disrespect? I wish the president had kept bringing that up.
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- Animal-Mother
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That's why George Carlin was the best of the best -- the man said pretty much whatever he pleased and rarely worried about being "PC," but everything he said was said in a way that was both thought-provoking and full of wit.
George Carlin posted:Bicyclists are faggots.
And that's hardly the only time he said human being, or faggoty, or some variation thereof. He would be getting uninvited from colleges today if he weren't a dead gently caress. Not a dead man, a dead gently caress. The distinction is important.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:15
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- Animal-Mother
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The thing is though. I don't think people who are pro-censorship/anti-comedy know a political ideology.
The woman who built the Daily Show with Jon Stewart used to run a comedy club and would throw comedians offstage if she considered their jokes sexist, racist, homophobic, etc.
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Jun 9, 2015 07:01
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- Animal-Mother
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I kind of feel that a lot of the jokes in that category are loving lazy if you really think about it, thus the laughs are not nearly as rewarding.
Good thing someone with a political ideology was there to censor them.
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Jun 9, 2015 07:57
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- Animal-Mother
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Yes, Chris Rock and Jerry Seinfeld have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to the atmosphere among standup comedy audiences today.
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- Animal-Mother
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quote:
Dear Jerry Seinfeld,
Recently, I've heard about your reluctance to perform on college campuses because of how "politically correct" college students are. You also further made remarks that college students are quick to use the words "racist," "sexist," and "prejudice" with little reverence for what those words really mean (which you felt was proven by a remark made by your 14-year old daughter.)
As a college student that loves and appreciates offensive, provocative comedy, I'm disheartened by these comments.
While I do agree with you that college students today are more sensitive to issues of race and gender politics, it's simply because that's our job as learners. As college students who are engaged in a myriad of social, economic, and political issues, it's our duty to be actively engaged and educated about issues of sexism, racism and prejudice. While, respectively, your daughter might not quite know what's considered "sexist" yet, I can say with confidence that most college students can distinguish the boundaries of what's considered appropriately sexist or not.
But, I'd like to refocus the conversation to the state of comedy that you feel like we would call "racist" or "sexist."
We need to talk about the role that provocative comedy holds today in a progressive world.
It isn't so much that college students are too politically correct (whatever your definition of that concept is), it's that comedy in our progressive society today can no longer afford to be crass, or provocative for the sake of being offensive. Sexist humor and racist humor can no longer exist in comedy because these concepts are based on archaic ideals that have perpetrated injustice against minorities in the past.
Provocative humor, such as ones dealing with topics of race and gender politics, can be crass and vulgar, but underlying it must be a context that spurs social dialogue about these respective issues. There needs to be a message, a central truth behind comedy for it to work as humor.
Take Amy Schumer for example.
A rising comic in her own right, Schumer has become a muse in being able to tackle difficult social commentaries of sexism and racism through her comedy. During the premier of the newest season of Schumer's comedy sketch show Inside Amy Schumer, Schumer and her writers managed to make a topic that most could never conceive of even making humorous: rape.
The sketch, Football Town Lights, a parody of the football series, Friday Night Lights, told the story of a football coach who boldly decides to reform the local town's losing football team by instilling a strict anti-rape rule for his football players. Throughout the sketch, the players and the town folk are simply flabbergasted at the very concept of not being able to rape. One of the players asks the coach, "What if she thinks it's rape, but I don't?" Another player asks, "What if my mom is the district attorney and won't prosecute me? Can I rape?"
Underlying the joke of it all, of course, is the horrifying truth of rape culture existent in high school football, and an even more horrifying reality of the parents attempting to justify it. Earlier this year, we heard of a horrifying case of a gang rape committed by five Florida high school football players and realized the underlying culture of violence and male domination that inhabits high school football.
While it's not the sole role of comics to be social commentators on every issue through their comedy, I believe there is a responsibility, especially when a well-known comic is talking about sensitive topics like race and gender politics, to have an underlying message to be said.
This doesn't mean that the funny aspect of the bit has to be compromised for the sake of social commentary. As countless comedians have proven before, it's very possible to have a message and be hilarious at the same time.
This translates to stand-up comedy as well. Take it from your fellow male comics.
Stand-up comedian, Louis C.K's bit about how much he loves being white can be, at first glance, construed as being "racist" in a traditional sense. He says in his set, "I'm not saying that white people are better, I'm saying that being white is clearly better, who can argue!"
Doesn't that sound a little "racist" to you? But, view it within the context of what he says, Louis C.K. constructs another valuable dialogue about white male privilege, and the historic injustices that this system has created.
A bit that could have been potentially disastrous was made even more hilarious because of the underlying social context of what Louis was saying.
George Carlin, who was revered by many as being one of the comedy "greats," frequently used crass, vulgar and potentially offensive humor in his acts. While by today's standards, some of Carlin's material can be considered sexist and offensive, many of his bits are still appreciated today because of his strong opinions and the underlying context of what he said. Sure, he was offensive when he tried to justify using racial slurs, but as he said a bit, "it's the context that counts. It's the user. It's the intention behind the words that make them good or bad."
Stand-up comedian Todd Glass argued passionately on comedy podcast Sklarbro County, that young comedians who shy away from offensive humor lack the courage to use the medium as a way to create social commentary and dialogue, as Carlin did. Glass called for comedians to be more offensive, but within the right context.
You can be crass, you can be vulgar, and it's not about worrying about offending people. gently caress offending people. Offend the right loving people. Don't let this fake argument that makes you not want to grow [as a comedian] and say, 'Oh, you're always going offend somebody.' No one said you shouldn't! It's your fake argument! Offend the living gently caress out of people! But make sure you're doing it to the right group. Because, I'm sure George Carlin, most of the time, was offending the right people.
So, yes, Mr. Seinfeld, we college students are politically correct. We will call out sexism and racism if we hear it. But if you're going to come to my college and perform in front of me, be prepared to write up a set that doesn't just offend me, but has something to say.
There's no reason you can't do what other comics are doing. You have an amazing legacy, both in stand-up and on television, because you do your job well.
But, there's a generation in college right now that hasn't seen your comedy, and there's a demographic that yearns for laughter. College students today are looking to be provoked, to be offended by comedy, and to think about these issues within the context of comedy.
So please, take the first step and come to a college campus with a set that will make us laugh.
Offend the gently caress out of college students. Provoke the gently caress out of me. We'll thank you for it later.
Sincerely,
College Student
"Yes we are sensitive and politically correct, and we only like offensive comedy if it's offending the people we hate."
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Jun 11, 2015 02:57
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- Animal-Mother
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That was basically just 'don't punch down.' What's wrong with that?
Chris Rock never "punched down" and he's the one who put Seinfeld onto this idea that college students think jokes are serious political statements.
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Jun 11, 2015 04:28
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If I make jokes about white trash, despite being white, I'm still "punching down."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlNyN8qNvgc
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Jun 11, 2015 05:08
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- Animal-Mother
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I didn't follow it long I just recall his shots back looking dangerously close to some race realist poo poo and being sad. I'd love to hear I was remembering wrong on this one.
He joked about how asinine it is to demand that every comedy show include the entire rainbow of humanity and the interviewer was visibly scared to press the issue, shaking, shuffling his notes. Triggered by the oppressive Seinfeld's microaggressions, undoubtedly.
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Jun 12, 2015 04:07
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- Animal-Mother
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Wasn't there some right wing talk radio guy that said it wasn't torture, got waterboarded, and legitimately did immediately reverse and apologized for saying it wasn't?
Mancow. And he probably faked it.
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Jun 26, 2015 06:40
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- Animal-Mother
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Has Fox described these black church burnings as an attack on Christianity yet?
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Jul 1, 2015 06:00
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- Animal-Mother
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The only proper way to cover Jones is with a generous layer of napalm.
Get him that spicy and he'll really forget his kids' birthdays.
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- Animal-Mother
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At least Rush actually had talent
Well, it was on loan from God.
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Jul 14, 2022 20:21
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- Animal-Mother
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I saw one earlier that said "Trump 2024: I'll Be Back" because we want the terminator to be the president, but only if he has bone spurs.
While they call the guy who played the Terminator a RINO because he openly hated his father for being a Nazi.
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Sep 9, 2022 22:30
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- Animal-Mother
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Even when Michael Moore was doing the highest-grossing documentaries in the country, elected dems basically pretended he did not exist and would have gladly imploded him if they could
Well, he doesn't have that much mass.
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Oct 11, 2022 01:28
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- Animal-Mother
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Weird how these guys never mention how many people the British Empire killed, just in India alone.
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Dec 3, 2022 21:31
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- Animal-Mother
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Watching W Bush era Fox News and noticing it was much more of a combat zone than it is today. O'Reilly regularly allowed guests on who would either own him or at least make him look stupidly angry. Hannity had a (pseudo) liberal co-host for a long time and they'd go back and forth.
Eventually Fox learned to just shut the opposition out completely. Tucker never allows guests who might call him out.
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Dec 19, 2022 18:49
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- Animal-Mother
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The Venus of Willendorf, totally not a woman's personal expression, was really a statement about patriotism and white Jesus.
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Dec 21, 2022 23:24
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- Animal-Mother
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Are there any mainstream/establishment leftist politicians
No.
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They could not get Dave Chappelle (and while he is “cancelled”, he still says jokes that make conservatives uncomfortable) and Jim Breuer has even less relevance.
I've seen comedy fans lamenting the fact that guys like these have seemingly become right wingers in their old age, as if they weren't frequent guests on the Opie & Anthony program, a show hosted by an open and unabashed white supremacist, Greg "Opie" Hughes.
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