Mr. Maltose posted:The doughiest Giorno. Digiorno Giovanna.
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It's more likely that Jotaro-alternate and Irene are illegitimate descendants of Johnny to go with how Josuke was illegitimate in part 4. Still more likely yet is that 1-6 are an alternate version of the true universe with the Corpse Parts, if we want to weave this all into a single cosmology.
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Sep 7, 2014 17:56
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asvodel posted:I am really curious to read part 4 since it seems to be a big inspiration to the plot of Persona 4... There is no legal translation of Part 4, it offers a couple of major spoilers, and there probably will be a legal translation started by the time the anime of part 3 ends.
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Oct 18, 2014 02:58
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ChaosArgate posted:Speaking of Part 4, I just realized that Josuke never tried restoring Okuyasu's Dad with Crazy Diamond, right? Would it have been possible for Josuke to restore him to before he had Dio's cells implanted in him? I don't think Crazy Diamond can restore him, either because DIO's cells replaced all his DNA, or because there's not enough left of Nijimura to restore under all the DIO cells. In any case, Josuke presumably tried off-camera to do so.
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Oct 18, 2014 14:25
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Torquemadras posted:Did they ever explain why Pucci, after fusing with Green Baby, could apparently age things? There's shots of half an egg having aged into chicks, and a baby where half of it has become adult. That kinda doesn't fit with anything C-Moon or Made in Heaven does later on... C-MOON has gravity control, so presumably before it settles down into "3 km sphere of antigravity" and "turn people inside out via tidal forces" powers, it briefly flickers through something similar to Ball Breaker.
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Nov 12, 2014 16:47
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Butt Ghost posted:Any particular reason they named the first chapter of Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe "Episode 16?" Araki wanted to do an extremely tenuous Star Wars reference/has an elaborate internal chronology that will culminate with a Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe on Made In Heaven.
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Nov 18, 2014 01:17
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Davinci posted:I'm not understanding why all you teeth dudes are so against a Jojo all-part crossover. It could be really neat as like a big series climax or something. It'd be too crowded. Vento Aureo has seven protagonists (not all at once), while this would have eight JoJos and a whole bunch of side characters. Jojo works on cool fights and character interaction, both of which would be strained in this.
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Nov 20, 2014 17:32
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Beef Waifu posted:All of JoJo is good Beef Waifu posted:You are all bad, though Can't really disagree here.
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Jan 11, 2015 04:55
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Torquemadras posted:I think that's one rather ingenious loophole Diavolo exploits: during erased time, only he can move freely, so of course he can't murder someone until normal time resumes (which is why The World is still better offensively, if it weren't for King Crimson's unparalleled strength). But his blood counts as part of himself, so he can place it freely as well! Eh, Araki tends to have the final confrontations rely more on thematic stuff (at least since part 2/3) than on continuing how the storyline has gone so far. Diavolo's entire MO is about cheating, taking shortcuts, and doing anything possible to avoid risking himself. Stability and success at any price. Gold Experience Requiem then proceeds to blow through all of that by simply being stronger than anything he can do and forcing him to live in a world of perpetual failure and uncertainty.
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Jan 19, 2015 16:19
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There's already an explanation for Star Finger within Part 3, in the Lovers fight and more generally with Hierophant Green.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:54
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:How so? Stand Users can reshape their Stands at will, but it takes energy for them to do so. So, for example, Bad Company would be useless if it was pumped up to human size because all the energy would be maintaining its form and nothing for shooting or punching. Hierophant Green being able to stretch itself out is an extension of this that Kakyoin can use with ease.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:25
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gently caress trophy 2k14 posted:Please stop doing damage control for asspulls that happened literally 23 years ago. It's one of the asspulls that makes intuitive sense apart from Araki not using it. You can't say that for both kinds of alien or Mrs. Robinson.
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Jan 20, 2015 23:33
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Waffleman_ posted:Jesus was a Jojo, actually. Simon Peter, seeing the fig tree has no fruit: This must be the work of an enemy Stand!
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Jan 21, 2015 22:00
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just finished up Stone Ocean. While I'm fine with Pucci kind of winning, I wish that more of the victory in that last fight had come from Jolyne--she didn't really have much presence in it. Also, I'm kind of confused--Pucci sped up time to the universal reset, that I understand. Is that they then enter the weird predestiny universe where Pucci is talking about resignation to fate as true happiness (except he himself can change destiny, loving up by giving Emporio Weather Report), and then dying before Cape Canaveral which is somehow significant, and then the universe resets again and we get the Ireneverse. Am I right in thinking there's three universes, or am I misinterpreting what happens at Green Dolphin Street Prison? Basically, the universe ordinarily repeats itself in broad tendencies, but Made In Heaven can control it to provide perfect repetition and thus give people complete foreknowledge through being reincarnated as themselves and having all their original memories. Killing Pucci before this loop closes causes it to snap back to the normal state of affairs, where there are similar people doing similar things in similar places, but there's room to change things, and foreknowledge is limited to deja vu. (This may be how Thoth, Epitaph, and Rolling Stone work, too).
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Jan 24, 2015 04:36
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Kabanaw posted:I still think that the SBR universe is the messed-up reset of the original universe. Not because there's any evidence of it that belongs outside conspiracy theories (look at the family tree! It mirrors the original up until Holly marries someone else, because Jolyne and Jotaro don't exist in this world!), but because it's a cool way to tie the stories together. It would be more interesting if he took the idea from the Jorge Joestar novel about it being the first universe and just ran with it. Or if parts 1-6 were all in different iterations of the universe under Made in Heaven and that's why fate exists. Then in SBR and JJL, there is no ┌ FATE ┘ anymore. Yeah, that would be a bomb-rear end fanfiction.
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Jan 30, 2015 06:49
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ZeroCount posted:Pucci owns and hes the only bad guy before Valentine who is evil for purposes besides 'uh I guess I'm just naturally evil huh'. And the fights he actually shows up in are cool as hell. loving Diavolo has more realistic motivations than Pucci.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:54
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Begemot posted:That guy, Versace, was one of my favorites in part 6. His backstory was the same as the protagonist for the book/movie Holes, for absolutely no reason. And the power to LITERALLY dig up the past was used in some insane and creative ways. The best part is that Araki wrote the Under World chapters before the movie came out, so he read this American's children book and liked it so much he slipped in references.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:20
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Momomo posted:He also apparently had Jolyne spoil an American movie before it even came to Japan. I'm trying to figure out when the Jail House Lock chapters got published, because there were only three months between the American and Japanese releases of the Sixth Sense. Plenty of time for him to do it in with a weekly schedule, of course.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:34
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ZeroCount posted:Pucci is actually really easy to understand. He's a guy who did a really bad thing that turned out really awful for everyone involved and he nearly does the right thing and blames himself but in the end he refuses to take responsibility and instead heavily invests everything he has into a belief system where nothing anyone does matters and where nobody is truly responsible for anything because an absolute fate rules everything in an inscrutable plan. This way it's not really his fault that everything about his family is so hosed up, it was just [gravity]. Kewl. Diavolo just wants to make bank and stay on top.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:00
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Momomo posted:Can someone explain what Diavolo's backstory actually is, because the only reference I have is the manga itself, and we all know what that's like. Diavolo is the original personality, and Doppio is his creation. It's not outright stated, but you can see it in the body language.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:21
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HitTheTargets posted:What little we see of Diavolo kinda makes him out to be a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Cobra Commander wants to make bank and stay on top too. Yes. That's a much more human and realistic motivation than following an inane interpretation of a crazy vampire's diary to conjure up a time loop and allow people to peacefully accept suffering. Beef Waifu posted:It's doesn't make sense because we're given very little detail on who he was as a person when he was younger or why he did anything. Diavolo's backstory is very minimalistic to go with his character of wanting to keep himself hidden from the world and no one to know about his very existence. It's also quite possible that most of it is lies to prevent people from investigating further into his background. There's also some Jesus references that may or may not be intentional.
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Jan 31, 2015 15:49
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Moltrey posted:Yeah basically. It's up to you what you think is true from Diavolo's past. He's not telling and there's no one alive who can tell us anyway. Trish is another one of the big inconsistencies in Diavolo's past. He wants to remain secretive, but had sex with someone? It's like him being born and conceived in a female prison with no male guards. poo poo just doesn't make sense. Trish predates the foundation of Passione according to the given backstory, since she's as old as Giorno, and Diavolo was only 18 when she was born.
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Jan 31, 2015 17:15
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Re-reading part 4 because of this thread. The helicopters make it pretty blatant as a reference.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:34
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a cartoon duck posted:but how does king crimson work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbf1ei7-aK4
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Feb 21, 2015 18:41
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Part 4 is poorly written in the same way that a novel that consisted solely of unrelated Alice Munro short stories would be poorly written. Each individual part is good, but they don't really add up to a cohesive whole.
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Mar 11, 2015 19:20
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hoobajoo posted:So every collection of short stories is poorly written? I don't think most people could agree with that. That's an anthology, not a novel, poster hoobajoo.
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Mar 11, 2015 19:27
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:If you paid me some money, I could write you a really good paper on the literary merit of part 4 of Jojo's. I won't do it for free because I'm not a dumbass, but if you gave me some money I would very easily. I'll give you all my steam items, I think that's a fair value.
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Mar 11, 2015 20:13
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Soylentbits posted:That's how serialized fiction works. It's literally how Dickens wrote fiction. That's why every other part featured lengthy sections where the plot stands still, right?
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Mar 11, 2015 21:49
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Soylentbits posted:Again yes like pretty much all types of serialized fiction. I'm not talking about the quality of writing. I'm talking about the quality of the story's construction as a whole. Part 4 has long sections where the plot stops entirely and we have a little side adventure. This happens as early as the Surface fight, and you could argue for The Lock as well. These parts are well-written, but they weaken the story because all they do is draw things out.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:23
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Kurtofan posted:Part IV isn't just a "fight the villain" shonen, it's also a slice-of-life kind of manga. There's still, consistently, a plot driving the characters except for the chapters between Red Hot Chili Pepper and Harvest. There are also a number of shonen series that are episodic in nature. It's a hybrid, but the story doesn't hold itself together as cohesive, in part because of this.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:59
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hoobajoo posted:So why is it better if it's named something different, or was made in a different way? None of that poo poo matters, if it's good it's good because of the content, no matter what you call the format it's written in. Hmm, well, if you want to believe that analysis should stop at "is this good", then you may do so. I disagree, however.
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Mar 12, 2015 01:45
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:Just ignore effectronica. he's a boring troll, a pedant, and also not very smart. *sighs, starts looking for the keys to trigger the meltdown sequence*
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Mar 12, 2015 01:51
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:I'd like to "meltdown" your posts, making diarrhea, and then flush them lol What are your goals here?
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Mar 12, 2015 02:01
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:ah i see you subscribe to the SMG school of thought gently caress off, ice rear end.
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Mar 12, 2015 12:57
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people keep talking up jolyne but there's one person perfectly fitted to kick steely dan's rear end one-on-one. okuyasu (or, being serious, FF)
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Mar 19, 2015 02:37
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Butt Ghost posted:Oh never mind. Setting herself on fire it is. the joke i was trying for was that he's so dumb he wouldn't even notice lovers tearing apart his brain
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Mar 19, 2015 03:15
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Aurora posted:Giorno lost GER after the battle because it lost the arrow. Is this from an artbook, or...
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Mar 21, 2015 04:39
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Stairmaster posted:It'll be figured out in like twenty seconds. ten of which had been erased
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Mar 28, 2015 04:58
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YF-23 posted:Really, "USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS" is not as awkward as people say it is. to say or to read? because it's not awkward to read but saying it is pretty much impossible in english because the repeated phonemes slur into one another and become indistinguishable. granted, that's only a problem for dubbing.
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May 28, 2015 14:01
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YF-23 posted:To read or hear. It would be awkward to say, yeah, but then so would a lot of "normal" lines in most anime roles. I honestly don't know how you could dub it without stupid audio engineering tricks. I guess having a guy just say "useless. useless. useless." would convey the meaning alright.
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