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ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MothraAttack posted:

Al Jazeera is reporting that Nikos Mihaloliakos, leader of the Golden Dawn, has been arrested on charges yet unknown.

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ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Strudel Man posted:

'Causing a shipwreck' in particular is pretty eyebrow-raising. Though that might be a mistranslation.

I remember the Golden dawn tried to stage a protest on some Greek island a while back and got literally thrown into the ocean by the inhabitants, so maybe they landed on a boat on their way down??

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Darth Walrus posted:

UKIP teaming up with Wilders and the FN? Being members of EFD was bad enough, but man, they're really not even making a token effort to hide what they are now, are they?

EDIT: Ah, they said no. Guess Farage still has some savvy after all.

This was Wilders' way of dealing with the other racists too, before this year. He always distanced himself from being compared to FN or Lega Nord or Vlaams belang, but now he doesn't seem to care anymore, which worries me.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mans posted:

French, British and Dutch nationalists don't seem like the type of nationalists that bond well together. What's next, an alliance between Polish and Russian nationalists? :psyduck:

Actually, most of our nationalists love the Germans. Usually when our neo-Nazis have marches or rallies half the people there are Germans that have been bused in.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Nazi Erich Priebke's Funeral Held by Catholic Splinter Group

quote:

Protesters jeered "murderer" today as the body of a notorious Nazi was taken to a church for a funeral outside Rome that had been banned by the Catholic Church.

The body of former SS officer Erich Priebke was to be cremated, but it is unclear where his ashes will go. So far, no country has said it was willing to accept his remains.

Priebke died Friday at the age of 100 while serving the last 17 years of a lifetime prison sentence under house arrest in Rome.

Priebke was reviled in Italy for carrying out the massacre of 335 Italian civilians, including 57 Jews, in 1944 at the Ardeatine Caves in Rome. The slaughter was in retaliation for the killing of 33 German soldiers by resistance forces in the center of Rome during World War II.

The funeral came on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day in Italy on Wednesday. This year, the date will mark the 70th anniversary of the deportation of Roman Jews in 1943, many of whom died in Nazi concentration camps.

The Rome Vicariate, which overseas churches in the city and province, promptly announced in a statement soon after Priebke's death that no public funeral would be granted to him in the city or outskirts of Rome. Officials cited canon law which states that a funeral may be denied to "manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful."

But a splinter group of Catholic priests called the Society of St. Pius X who object to the Vatican's outreach to Jews and other reforms agreed to hold Priebke's funeral at the chapel of their institute at Albano Laziale.

As the hearse bringing the coffin arrived outside the society's church, people in the crowd slammed their fists and umbrellas on the car and shouted "We are all anti-fascist!" and "Priebke, murderer!" the Associated Press reported.

...

Priebke's son, Jorge, who still lives in Argentina, is quoted in the Italian media saying what happened to his father "an injustice" and said that "the trial against my father was all invented by the Jews."

Video of the hearse being protested here:
http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/priebke/priebke-la-salma-arriva-ad-albano-calci-e-pugni-al-carro-funebre/143125/141660?ref=HRER2-1

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Oct 15, 2013

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Emden posted:

I'm slightly younger than you are

Oh hey, that explains a lot.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Guildencrantz posted:

A move away from orthodox Marxism isn't the end of the world.

But it is very often the first step to centrism and liberalism.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Enjoy posted:

That's real interesting, do you have a source

Here's a quick thing I could find that implies he's wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_in_Cuba

In 1996 there were 2.6 million television sets in Cuba, making them 54th in the world for television ownership, while they only have around the 70th largest economy.

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Nov 23, 2013

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Install Windows posted:

Is the 70th largest economy figure from 1996 too? Also is that "54th in the world" for per capita or just raw numbers?

Good points, I'll take a look.

edit: Ah, they were 67th on television ownership per capita (I assumed it already was per capita because who cares about total number of TV's :psyduck:) and it seems in 1996 they were ~78th in GDP per capita.

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Nov 23, 2013

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

HighClassSwankyTime posted:

Neither do you, if you actually think killing everyone you disagree with leads to... anything.

That's not at all what he said you dumbass. :psyduck:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
In the Netherlands our newest fascists, called Identitair Verzet, put up banners on two bridges called Mandela bridge, after Nelson Mandela. The banners said 'Murderers bridge'. It seems they were even up for several minutes before being removed by angry citizens.


Now that's some quality fascisting, guys.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:

The Identitäre bewegung has finally reached the Netherlands then?

Yeah, the first time I heard of them was in the beginning of the year when they wanted to protest the vluchtkerk (a squatted church for asylum seekers who have been refused residence). They called it off when antifa planned a counter-demonstration though.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
One of them even peed his pants :v:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pollyanna posted:

hahaha hey this thing looks cool. lets tack it onto my screenname without even bothering to look it up

He might have been born in 1988? Not that that makes him a less terrible poster, mind you.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jedit posted:

Yes, but not my romantic silliness. When you say things like "I will be killed for what I'm doing, but I'm doing it anyway because it is necessary" then you want people to think you are making a noble sacrifice. When they came for Robespierre and he responded with panic - which is certainly the case whether he botched the suicide attempt (likely) or was shot in a struggle - his convictions were proven hollow.

Or maybe people just don't want to die even if they accept that they might be killed for what they see as the greater good?

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

In the same vein, Croatian antifascist Stjepan Filipovic, moments before execution, 1942



In more recent European Fascist news:


Also, apparently the Swedish far right Sverigedemokraterna are now also becoming interested to work together with Front national and the PVV

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

on the left posted:

Is part of the problem with immigration that skilled immigration is extremely difficult and the lion's share of immigrants are asylum seekers bringing a boatload of social problems along with them?

No.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I know a poo poo-load of highly educated immigrants to the Netherlands and they just have to have a job, stay here for 7 years (recently changed from 5 years) and complete the inburgeringscursus to become citizens. Also lots of forms.

on the left posted:

US immigration policy is ruined by illegal immigration. We can't import smart skilled people because a bunch of the lowest rungs of Latin American society have immigrated illegally.

This is dumb racist garbage. The immigrants aren't the problem, your lovely laws and idiotic political system are the problem.

Shibawanko posted:

Teeven is a fascist piece of poo poo and belongs in jail.

Empty-quotin' dis :geert:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yeah, it's ridiculous how accepted anti-Roma opinion is.

Also Antwan3k, good point about the word allochtoon, I hadn't really realized how incredibly racist our use of the word actually is. It's basically a word for people from ethnicities we don't like :psyduck:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Antisemitism is probably a topic where pan-European generalizations don't really work. ... while in the Netherlands the perpetrators are 80% 'white'.

Is this true? Because if I am to believe the media the only anti-semites in the Netherlands are all those drat moroccans :argh:

But seriously, I wouldn't have guessed that there was that large a percentage of white people in the active anti-semitic group, because of the way the media portrays anti-semitism as a problem caused by immigrants (and neo-nazis). I wonder if this study includes anti-Ajax football hooligans, which doesn't strike me as actual anti-semitism meant against real jewish people, but more as dumb football rivalry.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Nonsense posted:

All anarchists were executed for being annoying by the Bolsheviks. I don't think they were really around to 'win' anything in Russia.

This is dumb and wrong. The anarchists were only betrayed after they were no longer necessary to secure the revolution, in 1918 :commissar: Anyway, this slapfight between Anarchists and Communists is the dumbest derail we've had in a while.


In fascist news, the BNP openly supports the Golden Dawn :aaa: I didn't realize they were that open about their fascism.
Just what Greece didn’t need: BNP leader Nick Griffin seeks Golden Dawn alliance

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mans posted:

Do i really need to pull out the "if anarchists were the bread and butter of the worker's struggle then how come the best they can come up with was firebombs, getting beaten by cops and failing to organize a single revolutionary state?" argument again?

I guess only if you really want to sound like a 14-year old yourself?

Also, PVV has initiated a discussion in the Dutch government about prevention of anti-semitism, while they're working together with Front National :v:

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jan 17, 2014

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Ukraine, pro-European Union protestors yesterday:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Reality! Now with Leninist bias!

You know you could actually post some loving proof that anarchists played a role in the revolution other than Kronstadt and a Ukrainian bandit instead of lamenting a supposed conspiracy to hide the "glorious successes" of anarchism.

A quick thing from wikipedia:

quote:

At first it seemed to some Anarchists the revolution could inaugurate the stateless utopia they had long dreamed of. On these terms, some Bolshevik-Anarchist alliances were made. In Moscow, the most perilous and critical tasks during the October Revolution fell upon the Anarchist Dvinsk Regiment, led by the old libertarians Gratchov and Fedotov. It was they who dislodged the Whites from the Kremlin, the Metropole and other important defenses. and it was the Anarchist sailor Zhelezniakov who led the attack on the Constituent Assembly in October 1917. For a while, the Anarchists rejoiced, elated at the thought of the new age that Russia had won.

I also remember reading in Robert Service's biography of Lenin that there was at least one anarchist in charge of an important department of the revolutionary government, but I can't find it at the moment. I remember the passage because it surprised me :v:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SWITCH HITLER posted:

posting superstar!!!!!

To bring the discussion back to Fascism in Europe, I posit that there's nothing more destructive to the cause of fighting fascism than a group of delusional ideologues who would rather tear the state down to nothing, and not even try to replace it because of reasons that nobody but said ideologues can comprehend.

I would say that you're wrong, and the most destructive thing to the cause of fighting fascism at the moment is stupid retarded ideological slap fights between the left. Luckily my local antifa consists of anarchists, communists and various other flavours of leftist who work together because opposing fascists is more important than being right on the internet :3:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Hungarian fascist party Jobbik came to London but it wasn't a success, apparently
Antifa Put Hungarian Neo-nazi Jobbik Party On The Run In London

quote:

Police had to box the Hungarian Neo-nazis in at Holborn subway station to protect them from antifascist demonstrators, who waved banners with the slogan “No Nazis, no Golden Dawn, no Jobbik, no BNP.” Jobbik hoped Hungarians living in London would come to their rally, instead they found them protesting against them: “I’m a Hungarian Jew: you murdered my family”, one man shouted at them, as the police dragged him away.”

Some sad Hungarian fascists :(

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jan 28, 2014

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Omi-Polari posted:

He also advocates establishing ties to the radical left on areas of mutual agreement: anti-capitalism, anti-globalization, etc.

This seems optimistic of him. If there's one thing leftists can agree on it's hating fascism.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

NihilismNow posted:

SP always polls great, watch them lose all of those gains and more in the 2 weeks before the election. Also the SP is coming from a rather weak position so it should really be considered a return to normal.
Not that it matters if the results should actually favour the SP. Even the labour party prefers to cooperate with the neo-liberal VVD before the (supposedly idealogically closer) SP. Most parties have shown themselves willing to co-operate with the quasi fascist PVV where almost no one will cooperate with the SP. I have to agree with the sentiment that the elites would rather tolerate fascists than socialists.

Wikileaks showed that the labour party excluded the possibility of working together with SP months before the elections in 2006:

quote:

8. (C) In a separate meeting with the Ambassador on May 17,
PvdA member (and close Bos advisor) Frans Timmermans rejected
outright any possibility of forming a coalition government
with SP. Timmermans stressed that Bos recognizes that even
to hint at such a possibility would alienate large numbers of
centrist voters both within and to outside the PvdA. In his
view, it would be foolish for the PvdA to trust anyone "who
used to be a communist."
http://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06THEHAGUE1184_a.html

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

quote:

A firebombing attack last night in Hamburg killed 3 asylum seekers (a woman and 2 children) and injured 20. This comes after weeks of huge protests by asylum seekers, anarchists, and others defending squatted social centers and houses in the city from eviction.
http://www.eimsbuetteler-nachrichten.de/brandstiftung-in-asylbewerberhaus/

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Noctis Horrendae posted:

Reading the ramblings of a madman is arguably one of the most interesting things you can so when you run out of proper reading material.

Counterpoint: the una-bomber manifesto is really really boring.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Torrannor posted:

The latest news revealed that this had nothing to do with fascism. It was a 13 year old boy who is member of the youth fire department. He confessed the crime, and is now in psychological treatment (in Germany, children under 14 year old cannot be held accountable for any crimes the commit, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_infancy).

So while this was a big tragedy it was at least not motivated by xenophobia.

Ah, good to know that it wasn't a racist attack, at least.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ardennes posted:

That said, there is evidence of fascist symbols and Right Sector flags out there. In addition, there were other groups (such as Svoboda).

Svoboda being there guarantees there are fascist symbols present :v:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

quote:

A far-right mayoral candidate of Paris’s upmarket 6th arrondissement has apologised after writing on his blog that Roma (Gypsies) should be “concentrated” in “camps”.
http://www.france24.com/en/20140304-french-national-front-ally-would-concentrate-gypsies-camps/

:v:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Speaking of racism, Wilders just admitted that he just wants a Netherlands with less Moroccans. Not less influence of Islam as he's always claiming. Not less crime from young, poor Moroccans. Just less Moroccans in general. He said this in an unexpected interview in the street, so people could just think he accidentally really said what he thought, but afterwards he clarified, saying "The less Moroccans in the Netherlands the better" (http://nos.nl/video/623152-wilders-hoe-minder-marokkanen-in-nederland-hoe-beter.html)

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Elliptical Dick posted:

I am severely disheartened by the lack of a strong response from the other parties re: Wilders' statement about Moroccans. "The less, the better" is reminiscent of every call to ethnic cleansing ever and imo borderline incitement to harm or kill.

Someone from (I think) PvdA compared him to Hitler in a tweet, and THAT is what all the outrage focused on :psyduck:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

visceril posted:

I don't get it.

Why are politicians so afraid of being called meanies by the right-wing press?

I think it's a collective trauma from the assassination of Pim Fortuyn. The left and center "demonised" him before he got killed and got the blame for his death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Sl4CvmjfE

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Orange Devil posted:

and I still maintain that anyone who lets his entire professed worldview and ideology (dude apparently used to be a Marxist and in his Leefbaar Nederland commencement speech or w/e he literally talks about this) get shattered by 19 fundamentalists in some planes is a loving coward more than anything else.

This seems to be a recurring theme with Dutch right-wing populists. Don't forget Rita Verdonk, who used to be a leftst too and ended up starting the hilariously incompetent "Proud of the Netherlands" party.

quote:

Verdonk was a member of the activist group Bond voor Wetsovertreders (BWO; English: Union for Lawbreakers) which had close ties with the far-left Pacifist Socialist Party. [...]

Because of her activism during this period, she earned the nickname "Red Rita." In 2002 she became a member of the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD).

In a 2006 article, some of Verdonk's friends and colleagues from her Nijmegen days expressed surprise at Verdonk's radical switch in political orientation after graduating in 1983. Some observed that Verdonk had never held outspoken left-wing ideals and was a critic of communist regimes, others hypothesized that it was part of a growing-up phase; a former treasurer of the BWO suspected that Verdonk had been a police informer all those years.

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Mar 17, 2014

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Today was international antifascist and anti-racist day :woop:
Here's a list of many of the protests that brought thousands of people into the street around the world today:
http://revolution-news.com/international-day-fascism-march-22nd-live-blog/

Here in the Netherlands we had a nice big march. The turnout was probably helped a lot by Wilders' recent racist remarks, as most of the signs, chants and speeches were about that.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-04-06/news/lega-nord-activists-sortie-on-tunisia-flounders-in-farce-off-malta-4517920768

quote:

Seven Lega Nord activists wanted to make a point by sailing a rubber dinghy from Italy to Tunisia to show how easy it is for asylum seekers to cross over in the opposite direction.

But their adventure ended in a farce.

The seven – brothers Diego and Giovanni Murtaro, Michele Brambilla, Gino Troisi, Giacomo Gremini, Fausto Sarti and Remo Girenni, aided and abetted by party secretary Matteo Salvini – left Modena, their home town, early one morning and drove to Melito di Porto Salvo, in the extreme south of Italy, next to Reggio Calabria, where they boarded the rubber dinghy they had brought with them, flying the Lega Nord flag.

But when they were near Malta, the dinghy’s motor caught fire. After they had put out the fire, the Leghisti tried to launch a distress signal. Somehow, however, the launcher must have been facing the wrong direction, for the flare pierced the rubber dinghy and they all ended up in the sea.

A second distress flare was launched and this time the Maltese Armed Forces were informed and saved the activists from the sea.

Apart from being ridiculed all over the Italian press, and even in the Lega Nord paper itself, the seven will now have to pay for being saved from the sea.

Instead of covering themselves with glory, they only succeeded in covering themselves with ridicule. And they actually proved that it is easy for sea trips of this sort to end in tragedy – and in Malta, where neither they nor asylum seekers want to land.

:v:

Also, in Dutch news: ~70 people protested in support of Geert Wilders racist comments in Nijmegen this weekend, but luckily ~250 protested against their widely publicised march :)

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ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rutkowski posted:

Apparently the news was a hoax but goddamn it was a fun one.

Haha, yeah I just found that out too. It was too perfect to be true :allears:

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