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Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Apple Jax posted:

I often wonder if holodecks were available right now what kind of programs would be made for it's initial release. Looking at the current gaming industry it would either be some sort of first person shooter or football game, but we all know there would be a fantastic amount of porn programs and the industry would freaking boom.

It'd just be Duke Nukem turned up to 11. Guns, explosions, tits attached to utterly vapid and mindless babes. Civilization would be in trouble for a few weeks but then the women would get things organized and take charge and let us men just live in our ridiculous fantasy worlds while they got poo poo done.

e; ^^^ t :mad:

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# ¿ May 20, 2024 03:35

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

OtherworldlyInvader posted:

Good lord that's some terrible science reporting.

We should probably all be thankful FTL is impossible, or we probably wouldn't exist.

An OtherworldlyInvader trying to convince us that FTL is not possible. :crossarms:

Hmmmmm how convenient it would be for you if we believed that and never tried, but I'm onto you Muton.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2014 23:38

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

eriktown posted:

So because I am a huge nerd, when I was trying to fall asleep last night, I couldn't help but wonder if pon farr means that all Vulcans are obligate heterosexuals.

You know that's a good question. I would guess that it's either not always heterosexual and can be done by empathically bonding with a same-sex partner as well, or that if Pon Farr does induce purely heterosexual desires that LGBT Vulcans consider it apart from their actual relationships and it is not seen in the cultural sense as evidence of hetero/bisexuality.

Evek posted:

While on the subject of animated Star Trek, I just finished up my first watch of TAS. Its full of and I loved every minute of it. It truly was season 4 of TOS and I wish there was more of it.

The best thing about TAS is they were able to just throw in crazy stuff like Lts. M'ress and Arex. Every Trek needs Arex.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2014 22:56

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Fister Roboto posted:

What, the Founders being ugly pasty blobs didn't tip you off?

Oi! You fukken wot m8? I'll slash yer gabber u cheeky little nob! :britain:

PS:

# ¿ Jun 19, 2014 05:52

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Apollodorus posted:

The future is now!

it's crack

Looks like a jpg to me :shrug:

# ¿ Jun 20, 2014 02:33

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Talking poo poo about Babylon 5 is like a teenager thinking he's got all the answers and everyone should just be a libertarian. Disliking B5 is a sign of a feeble and underdeveloped mind.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2014 01:03

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

bobkatt013 posted:

The best Warner in DCAU was in Batman Beyond. Holy poo poo is he terrifying in that one.

Don't forget Warner also played Jon Irenicus in BG2, which was honestly his best role, though I love him everywhere.

I do wish we had more Jeffrey Combs in, well, everything. Whenever Weyoun or Brunt are around you know it's going to be a great episode.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2014 18:55

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Cythereal posted:

Which is the disappointment. The Romulans are a threat always alluded to, always hanging over the TNG and to a lesser extent DS9 and ENT crews' heads, but I think you can count the number of times they're actually seen in action on one hand and it's either in an awfully written movie featuring weird Romulan spinoff super-ships (Nemesis, reboot), or them as cannon fodder (Dominion War).

The Romulans are my personal pick for the biggest source of wasted potential in the setting.

They never did make the Romulans live up to the talk. It was always "They're a power to rival the Federation, we gotta be supes careful in case this pisses the Romulans off, oh poo poo Picard you just make G'kar made you're in trouble now!" but aside from him the only competent Romulan we ever see turns out to be a Changeling.

# ¿ Jan 18, 2015 19:53

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

e; ^^^ Liking one show more than another = exactly the same as being a bigot who wants the border closed.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Surprise, Babylon 5 fans and Voyager fans are one and the same.

I don't even know what is sarcasm and trolling and what is being said with a straight face anymore.

B5 is one of the best shows ever made. Voyager occasionally rises to the level of good and more often falls from mediocrity to hot garbage.

# ¿ Feb 5, 2015 19:13

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Wheat Loaf posted:

"The High Ground"? Isn't that the episode which inadvertently ended up as a really tired analogy for the Troubles and had Data talking about how the IRA terrorist campaign is supposed to succeed in, what, about five years from now?

I wouldn't say it's an especially bad episode, but it seems a bit mediocre compared to the others listed.

Yep, it was all about The Troubles, and as a native of Belfast I always adore when foreign shows do an episode about it whether directly or obliquely. :flegs: It's supposed to happen in 2024 so I guess the IRA better get back to work if they are to force a Westminster capitulation on the issue in a scant nine years.

Shyrka posted:

That bit was always cut out in UK broadcasts.

Can't give hope to the terrorists!

More than that, the episode was cut from the run entirely at first, then when they did show it later the line has been cut, I don't know if they still do though.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2015 03:03

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Wheat Loaf posted:

It wasn't even the IRA. It was a street gang. See, based on that episode, the Troubles were basically the Jets and the Sharks. The Protestants burned down the Catholics' bakery, so one of the Catholics got the codes to activate a nuclear weapon Dr Blight (or whoever) had hidden, "Roight in da Prods' backyard! Hahahahaha!" (or something like that).

Said episode also used the epithet "Fenian Prods" which is actually kind of amazing.

Yesss I was hoping someone would bring that amazing Captain Planet episode up, it is some whole other level of magnificence.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2015 16:35

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Fister Roboto posted:

What you get when you put sixty-four Americans in a room together?

A full-blooded Cherokee.

Ahaha holy crap, you're alright :haw:

MikeJF posted:

I just think people from Boston should stop calling themselves Irish.

I don't mind that personally but I'm glad the yanks have mostly stopped sending money to the bloody IRA these days.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2015 16:55

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Cythereal posted:

If nothing else, see Duet. One of the best episodes of Star Trek ever made.

Yeah, that's the episode where you see that DS9 is serious poo poo.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 05:35

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Grand Fromage posted:

Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep.

He could read a line that silly and give it all the meaning and gravitas which our transmissions from Sputnik deserved :smith:

This is some lovely news today. Between Trek and Civ IV and all, the man's been a presence of some sort through my whole life. I know that might sound doofy and I never met him and but I really have had the wind taken out of my by this.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 19:18

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Deakul posted:

Oh my god

# ¿ Feb 27, 2015 20:00

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

e; ^^^ You're in for a treat man, WoK is a classic for a reason.

Data Graham posted:

Man I dunno what you just watched, but that clip was Leonard being the man. He was sparkly, he was sharp... he was remembering names, dates, hell, dialogue from decades ago. If he was talking fast at times it was because he was conversing informally, not reading lines. I sure hope I'm that much in charge of my faculties when I'm that age.

I sure don't remember Shatner's STII eulogy being anything like his impression of it though. Almost the direct opposite, in fact�he barely moved his lips saying "....human". Because he was barely holding it in.

Yeah, the man was assailed by age, but it's clear he's still in full control of his mental faculties. Some small mercies, at least, because he doesn't seem to have lost that even towards the end :unsmith:

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 06:04

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Vagabundo posted:

Once you're done with that, read Beowulf which is Harry Kim's favourite book. I recommend the Seamus Heaney translation.

Edit: I forgot about this.

Harry Kim as Beowulf. Just gently caress off.

And what was wrong with Harry Kim as Beowulf? :colbert:

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 22:58

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

My fiancee and I are going through the Treks together and we've just started Voyager a couple weeks ago. Whilst I'm not actually finding it all that bad, there are two things that are standing out to me;

First, a hell of a lot of episodes so far are doing something like 2spooky :ghost:

stuff, time fuckery, :hb:

, Chakotay is a ghost, whatever. Those always cropped up now and then in Trek but dang, there's more here than with DS9 and that was a show with ethereal aliens who can explicitly possess people as one of the most important parts of the whole drat thing. Anyway I'm curious as to whether my perception is right and, if so, whether explanations were offered for that. Were they trying to make the Delta Quadrant feel more different and unusual to the stuff we had seen mostly in TNG?

Second, I get the feeling a lot of these episode would rocket from "Yeah it was okay" to "drat that was great" if they'd just had more time to build on things. It really comes home how much of Voyager's lost potential - and I agree totally with the goon who was saying its biggest issue was lost potential a day or two ago - seems to have come from studio constraints that insisted episodes be largely self-contained. There are some genuinely good and interesting ideas in there, like exploring how holo technology can have way more applications than letting Moriarty shut down the ship (Neelix's lungs for instance) but so much of it feels flawed not because of inherent problems with the ideas so much as needing to do a two-parter for something, or to have some issue take place as the B-plot of like three episodes before it came to the fore.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 02:13

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Cythereal posted:

The Prime Directive is kinda a big deal in Star Trek, and I felt Who Watches the Watchers is probably the show's best look at it. But yeah, Measure of a Man is probably better.

One thing Voyager got right at least once was when they had to decide what to do when they were, as Janeway put it, on the "other side of the fence", i.e. some other culture is more advanced and could really help Voyager out, but their laws forbid it. They spend most of the show trying to persuade the Space Belgians, wondering whether a trade deal would be acceptable instead, and with most of the crew ready to mutiny because Janeway ultimately decides she can't work against the alien laws.

It was nice to see the show acknowledge that yes, there are good reasons the Prime Directive exists, but there are still serious consequences to it and alien races might not be appreciative of the "bigger picture" when they're dying of some natural disaster and the Federation shrugs their shoulders.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2015 19:17

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Big Mean Jerk posted:

This is one of those "ironic" comics that parodies terrible editorial cartoons, right?

Kelly isn't ironic, he's satirical :colbert:

He's also loving magical, as this thread evidences.

Anyway best TNG episode is Up The Long Ladder. Space Irish Hillbillies! I wonder what Colm Meaney thought of it?

# ¿ Mar 3, 2015 17:29

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

armoredgorilla posted:

He hated it, but didn't feel like he had the clout to protest.

Later, in the first season of DS9, he did protest being assigned a dream leprechaun and they rewrote it to be Rumplestiltskin.

This is not a joke.

I did know his making a fuss got that changed, so I suspected he wasn't happy with Up The Long Ladder, but given that I don't know if they'd even called him Chief O'Brien instead of "Transporter Chief" at that point, I wouldn't rock the boat either.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2015 04:40

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Just finished Threshold with Pikestaff on our long voyage through all of Trek and uh, yeah, my memories were correct about how bad it is and the reputation is entirely deserved.

Plus people have gone faster than Warp 10 before now.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2015 01:53

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Railing Kill posted:

I recently caught myself liking and sympathizing with Neelix, in a Neelix episode ("Jetrel"). I think I need to be put down.

When Neelix is used as an actual character instead of just annoying comic relief, he actually has his moments, like Jetrel. The writing team seem to have not cottoned to this notion though and so he's mostly either annoying everyone (Which is admittedly hilarious when it's Tuvok) or being a super creeper about his two year old girlfriend. That said Kes is one of the better characters because she's a total sweetheart and also doesn't gently caress things up.

But yeah, sympathizing with Neelix, I know that feel :smithicide:

# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 15:28

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Snak posted:

Even sticking with the Kes is 2 premise, they could have done so much more with her character. Because of their accelerated/protracted life spans, Ocampans should have been like the ultimate go-getters. Kes should have joined starfleet by online classes by season two and been promoted above harry by season 3. Kes should have been debating Vulcan Philosophy with Tuvok. And most importantly, Kes should have been the initiator in any romantic interests, rather than being "sort of" with Neelix from the beginning.

The fact that she's essentially trapped in an abusive relationship because she's an outsider and Neelix "rescued" her from the Kazon is one of the worst writing decisions ever. The whole series she shows very little romantic interest in Neelix and she constantly has to put up with his controlling behavior and jealousy. Neelix is the biggest loving goon and he considers Kes his waifu even though it's never really established that she wants to be with him.

I always got the impression her grasp of medicine under the Doctor's tutelage was incredibly quick, but yeah I agree with what you say here. Whenever their relationship is questioned Kes always leaps to defend it and talk about how much she adores Neelix, but we never actually see the relationship outside of Neelix being a huge loving goon and she has to forgive him for whatever stupid poo poo he's jealous about this week. I feel that Neelix is the most underused character though (except maybe Kim), the more I think about it - the whole masking his pain and loss with cheerfulness, his desperate need to be liked and useful, all that poo poo, ties in really well with his backstory. Then it never goes anywhere.

Whenever I see a Voyager crewmember :rip:

, I really wonder why a bigger deal isn't made out of it. These people have skills that cannot be replaced, and the crew will get stretched increasingly thin as more people deplete. They'd have needed solutions to this, and they would also have had far more "Well I sure wish Ensign Richard Butt was alive to help with this, we'd get it done in half the time". When someone's in trouble with Janeway she's always like "Welp can't throw you in the brig because we need you don't do it again".

I'm actually enjoying watching Voy a lot more than I expected and like Pikestaff I'm finding Season 2 to be pretty great now that Threshold is behind us, but ugh lost potential is The Worst.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2015 18:08

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Mogomra posted:

I just want to remind people that Season 2 of Voyager has The 37's, Tattoo, Threshold, The Thaw, and Tuvix. Season 2 is the worst season of Voyager.

Nothing wrong with Janeway being lesbian wet over Amelia Earhart :colbert:

Also I've not even finished S2 yet so I can't really say what's what, and I can't remember what happens in which other season well enough to comment currently, but Season 2 also contains Meld, Dreadnought, Death Wish, Lifesigns, and Deadlock. Almost all flawed, as per Voyager standard, but still all really enjoyable.

However, tonight's show for Pikestaff and me is Innocence, which appears to be about space kids, soooo this might be worse than Threshold.

e; On the movies, I love ST09, I think it's one of the best Trek movies. ID was weaker in a lot of ways but I still enjoyed it for what it was, even if it was riddled with plot holes.

e2; Remember to count Galaxy Quest as a Trek movie because the even-odd curse holds

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 2, 2015

# ¿ Apr 2, 2015 00:46

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Just watched The Thaw. The last couple of minutes picked up but it made Threshold look like In The Pale Moonlight or The Measure of a Man.

Holy poo poo that was worse than the last episode of TNG S2. :staredog:

I feel like a 'Nam vet.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2015 01:54

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Melissa McCarthy is a national treasure.

We just watched Tuvix and I love that yeah Janeway and the crew (except the Doctor :allears:

) just did what made them feel most comfortable and loving killed a dude. Of all the episodes of Voyager this was the most... human.

# ¿ Apr 4, 2015 01:58

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

armoredgorilla posted:

The replicator doesn't make matter out of nothing, if you want gold, then by god you'd better have elemental gold in your replicator's goop supplies. The Federation isn't post-scarcity, they're just absurdly efficient at recycling. When they're done with something, they don't throw it in a landfill and bulldoze over it, they dematerialize the poo poo into the replicator goop supplies for future use.

Throw in some charcoal, "computer make a precise diamond sphere one foot in diameter", buy the planet.

e; also I am pretty sure you are wrong and they can transmute matter, otherwise there is no reason latinum has value but gold does not.

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Apr 8, 2015

# ¿ Apr 7, 2015 23:59

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Jack Gladney posted:

Is that Mr. Wilhelm? Was this made by that cult he joined?

My first thought on seeing this post was "I didn't hear the scream :confused:

" I am a broken human being.

Also laffo at Gene thinking the Ferengi would be super dangerous and scary.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2015 22:12

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Delsaber posted:

A bit off-topic, but I just rewatched this last night. Marc Alaimo is so damned good in this role that I think I'm starting to come around on the whole weird cult tangent. It's probably still the weakest subplot going into the end of DS9, but he sells it masterfully.

Alaimo is loving magical and a big part of why DS9 is so great. I could watch a biopic of Dukat and he would make eating breakfast fascinating, the only better Cardie was Jon Irenicus.

# ¿ Apr 10, 2015 02:33

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

VitalSigns posted:

This always annoyed me about the doctor too. Sick-bay is fitted with tiny tractor beams so he can pick things up: why does he have to waste time walking around to get stuff when he could just have the computer levitate them into his hands. Why does he need tools at all when holographic or replicated ones could appear in his hands instantly? Why does he have to go enter stuff into his little laptop when everything he knows is in the computer already, wouldn't it be faster in an emergency for the EMH to just create the record files directly into the logs? Why is his field of view limited to where the representation of him is pointing when every inch of sick bay must be observed by cameras already?

But instead of thinking through the implications, they just made him a regular dude with a Pinocchio complex.

I was thinking about this last night, and the best I can explain it is that the EMH is deliberately completely segregated so that a compromised Computer won't prevent him from working. It is not a system you want to go down after all! Possibly some psychological stuff about people feeling more comfortable with a more human-like doc too, remember that they were real dicks to the Doctor on Voyager until Kes stepped in.

And god drat it, Gene.

# ¿ Apr 10, 2015 18:34

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Snak posted:

Like in "Basics, part II" when they are stranded on the planet, Tuvok shows up with a bow that he made, and Chakotay is all "That's mightly thoughtful of you, Tuvok, but my tribe used spears." and Tuvok just looks at him like he's retarded and says "It's for me, you dumbfuck, I taught archery at the Academy. Like I'm just going to make you a bow on a whim because you're an injun."

Tuvok's barely constrained scorn and outright hatred of almost every single person on the ship is one of the best parts of Voyager.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2015 22:20

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

The Doctor, Lon Wormtongue, and Kes. He respects Janeway. Haven't reached Seven's debut yet.

e; Paris' constant trolling of basically everyone is also good, but he never really commits.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2015 01:36

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Angry Salami posted:

I'd gladly watch all of season 1 again than sit through "The Outrageous Okona", "Up the Long Ladder", "The Icarus Factor" or "The Child" again.

I know you didn't just suggest The Outrageous Okona isn't one of the best episodes in all of Trek, and I know you weren't just racist against my space people who are hardcore enough to chug Klingon booze.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2015 19:04

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Gonz posted:

Anything harder than the depression of a gentle fingertip and it's the Fouth of July.

It's not even a bug; it's a feature. The company that builds them probably has a rigorous testing phase and tosses out the ones that are defective.

Yeah it's fairly clear that the consoles are designed to explode if anything more intense than Spot's purr hits them. Maybe it's to keep crews on their toes, maybe it's because the wiring is made of C4, or maybe engineers just got tired of every other fucker being retarded?

Also why was Spot not spayed and the other cats not neutered? It's pretty essential for an indoor cat. Them being on a ship or station, sure, they would be good pets that keep Tribbles and voles dead, but did we lose all knowledge of the most basic of cat operations in the Eugenics Wars? :iiam:

# ¿ Apr 14, 2015 05:45

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

e; ^^^ Because one of them is Harry Kim and the other is Chakotay.

The best part of all is at the end of S2 and start of S3 when the babby has been born, the Kazon take the ship, and Seska mentions something to the Doctor offhandedly about seeing Chakotay's face or something.

Doc basically says "The gently caress are you tripping on, this ain't Chakotay's?" and Seska is totally stunned that she was knocked up by Maje Cullah. Like, nothing here makes the least bit of sense, but it's really funny to me.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2015 17:02

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Just watched Voy's The Chute, and whilst the episode itself was pretty good, it seems we're really starting to get to "Janeway's actions make little to no sense" territory.

She is either oblivious to or doesn't care about the real nature of the Akritirians, is told Voyager is being impounded in a system she already knows to be short on either justice or appeals, and then is deeply shocked when they're like "lol we already convicted your guys, what do we care if you've got the real culprits?" Like, has she met any dictatorship or repressive regime even once? (The show could also have focused on her gradual realization that hang on, these guys are fuckers and the proper channels won't get her anywhere, but that wasn't the route taken.) Then instead of doing what ANY other Trek captain (or sane person) would have done and helped the resistance she demands information from them. They try to bargain for help getting their people out alongside Tom and Harry and she just says "nope gently caress you guys I'm throwing you and your 14 year old sister to the mercies of the authorities if you don't tell me exactly what I want to know".

It could have worked as a demonstration of how far she'd go to get her people back, except there's a more attractive and evidently less loving evil alternative that would yield the same results. The Akritirians are space-faring and developed enough for interstellar commerce, and Voyager is already involved, so the Prime Directive doesn't really apply at all. But even if it did, they violated it the moment they started tracking down every ship that used paralithium fuel, and they're clearly going to make an enemy of the Akritirian government by freeing Tom and Harry regardless of what else they might or might not do.

Basically when first talking with the ambassador Janeway should have said "Starting in one hour, every hour you fail to release my people, I wipe out a city of yours from orbit."

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 02:13

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Arglebargle III posted:

It would be nice if they'd come up with like one positive thing about the collective but apparently being plugged in is just being soul-raped for no reason.

Being part of a cybernetic collective of trillions of souls is the positive thing about the collective!

e; Also much as I love First Contact yeah the Borg Queen didn't really fit. A large part of their success as villains was down to them being genuinely pretty different from anything else we've met, and not having leaders or ambassadors or anything like that. Plus the stuff with her and Data seemed kind of unnecessary.

One thing that bugged me, I think it was in Best of Both Worlds, was when Picard was trying to buy time and he said to the Borg "Okay we surrender but give us a bit." and the Borg say "Nope." Thing is, the Borg didn't give the impression of not being fooled, they gave the impression that the delay was unacceptable in almost an ideological sense. I've always have felt Picard should have said something like "We need time to deactivate the planetary defense grid and stand down the fleet, as well as preparing the citizenry. I know you can beat us in a fight, but if you are willing to wait a short while, you will not need to fight and the Collective will be stronger and have more resources." I don't know that it would have worked and I know I'm not remembering everything exactly, but it's always rankled a little.

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Apr 17, 2015

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 04:51

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Dietrich posted:

If you wanna read some poo poo about hive minds check out the Jean le Flambeur trilogy. It'll blow your goddamn mind.

I feel about Finns the way the Borg feel about Kazons. :colbert:

(thanks for the recommendation!)

Sash! posted:

Doesn't sound so positive to me

Signed,

A person that likes keeping things to himself

See this sort of silliness is why things have to be done by force.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 05:01

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# ¿ May 20, 2024 03:35

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

ChairMaster posted:

That was Riker, and he offered to meet Locutus to discuss surrender. Locutus told him that no negotiations were necessary and to disarm immediately and escort them to Earth. Then he said "we need time to prepare for assimilation", and Locutus didn't fall for it because he knew everything Picard knew. Picard's only dialogue with the Borg in BoBW pt 1 is something along the lines of "Picard we know you don't got the tech to defend against us, surrender now" "No you guys we've got new defenses since the last time".

I've been rewatching TNG lately so this is all fresh to me.

Huh, now that you've brought this up, I can see that what I was saying doesn't really work, but I know I felt that way when I first watched. Maybe I just wanted Riker to explain why a delay was necessary before Locutus then said " :laffo:

don't think so son, get assimilated"

Anyway thanks for clearing that up for me

Also, what Snak is saying about the Queen does work, and it'd be better for sure, but I'm not sure why the Borg would suddenly feel the need for a Queen. They've lost a grand total of one cube fighting the Federation at/after Wolf 359, they lost one with the Hugh japes, and sent one with a Time Fuckery Sphere, and have only lost because of the Enterprise's luck and brilliance. There's no need for a queen even if she fulfills the role you suggest (and I do like it and will probably interpret it this way anyway) because the Collective have tried a couple of times and failed, so next time just send like five cubes and make sure the job gets done. If the Collective wasn't able to take the Federation no matter how many ships it sent that would justify a shift in strategy, but we're far from that point yet.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2015 16:20

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