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Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

JamesKPolk posted:

how is the synth thread divided on smoking weed

Synths are a pretty good high all by themselves.
Though a wake-n-bake habit is probably cheaper.

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Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

MrSargent posted:

Pretty much every artist that I see sampling on Rhythm Roulette or other videos is using a mixer in between their turntable and interface/computer.

They’re likely using those mixers for their built-in RIAA preamps*. You can’t plug a turntable straight into your interface, it’ll have no bass and be all trebly without a turntable preamp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization

*(this is the same reason I own a cheap DJ mixer)

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

mrbradlymrmartin posted:

just to :goonsay: cuz its my birthday ~~ its more the pickup level that necessit8s a pre, rather than the riaa eq, which is on the mixing/cutting side to ensure the needle dont jump fhe groove; it helps on the playback, but even if you pulled a les paul and stuck the needle in something with limited bass and treble like a jazzbox, it still gon be quiet af

back in the 90s I tried recording stuff from my turntable straight into my computer so I could burn to CD for listening in my car, and the volume/gain was just fine, but that poo poo was treble-biased AF until I got a cheap mixer for it’s RIAA preamp, so no, it’s not just for gain-staging.

Also the thing to remember about looking at the gear some musician used back in the day is that they often got good results in spite of their gear, not because of it. Just because a bunch of people used something doesn’t mean it was an awesome piece of kit, it is possible that it was just the cheapest/least awful option available at that time.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

emoji posted:

Probably no one in this thread still uses this ancient app but I found out I had the Korg iMS-20 analog synth app the other day (I don't remember buying it lol but it would have been many years ago on my old lovely iPad Mini) and maybe it could still be useful in someone's setup without too much hassle.

Officially Korg says it will only connect to devices using an 'Apple iPad Camera Connection Kit' whatever the gently caress kind of stupid sounding bullshit that is - gently caress that I ain't buyin' no single use cable. There are also paid MIDI routing apps on the app store but gently caress that as well. MIDI Wrench is free, lean, ad-free, and basically perfect, and facilitates BT or network MIDI connections super reliably thru some CoreMIDI magic: https://crudebyte.com/mobile/midi_wrench/

You can add the computer as a BT MIDI connection from that app, or set up a network MIDI connection from the computer in Audio MIDI Setup and pair the iPad that way. Either way, the connection will now show up as a real MIDI sink/source in whatever app and reliably persists. Since I already had an inexpensive LPD8 USB controller and a Max/MSP patch from ages ago that mapped its inputs for something else, I just mapped them according to Korg's guide, and added the function to record the MIDI signals out to the app, play MIDI files in general through the app, use the pads for the app's drum machine, and remap the knobs on the fly well enough to play around with. Obviously you could use real DAW software too. The whole point tho was to have it connect to any data source to make gross crunchy sounds without using some wack rear end cable. Basically this post is a PSA for Midi Wrench.



https://my.mixtape.moe/oyyicm.mp4

I just use the camera connection kit to plug one of my synths with a USB port into my ipad :shrug:

Also lets me play Sunrizer and Animoog and poo poo with a real kb without having to involve a whole computer in the middle.

But you do you. :ocelot:

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Quincy Smallvoice posted:

who

the gently caress

uses


aftertouch


ever

???

Vangelis.

Full per-voice channel Aftertouch is part of the appeal of the CS-80.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

byob historian posted:

channel aftertouch is midi and the opposite of polyphonic aftertouch (all notes on this midi channel get AT on/off)

Ah, yeah my bad, got the terminology mixed up. And yeah, because of MIDI hardly any synths made after it became the standard have poly aftertouch.

I use AT quite a bit; both my fav vst as well as my primary synth I use as a controller use aftertouch for some parameter on pretty much every factory patch*, and it’s always great for adding in extra nuance and movement in a riff or passage.

*(sue me, I just don’t have enough music time in my week to write every patch in every track from scratch, and when I do spend that time, it’s usually making a patch on my modular, not on a vst or va synth - time spent patchin is time that could be spent playin and writin instead)

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
To pick the conversation thread back up from a few pages ago, this situation I found myself in earlier this afternoon is why I write my music while sober and not stoned:

If I'm high enough to feel it significantly, then I'm high enough that I constantly alternate between either A) having the amount of time I can focus on or remember something be shorter than the time between when I start playing a two bar bassline and the time I get to the end of it to remember what the last note is; and B) spending 15 minutes hyperfocused on the position of one note in the bassline in the piano roll while the bars loop because the note sounds out of time no matter how far forward or back I move it.

and ain't none of that helping me a better musician or write better material.

At least as a consolation prize for me, the stuff I've been writing lately does sound absolutely marvelous when you're so high you can't tell which way is up and I can heartily recommend it as an afternoon's listen after 3-4 bowls of strong poo poo:
https://soundcloud.com/user-984973587/sets/marginalized-beta-version/s-02m75

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

byob historian posted:

theres a reason , i suppose, that acid was invented on machines with only 16 steps

I'll have to see if I might have better success trying to program my X0Xbox while baked, especially since I haven't turned it on in quite a while.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

byob historian posted:

not just, no, but that is one level of it , yes :)

tuning pressure points certainly feels more like playing slide than any keyboard ive used

FYI you gotta tune pianos too, and those are way more work than tuning a guitar. Like hire a specialist and pay them a few hundred to do it hard work.

Also,

Startyde posted:

Weed megathread is down the hall to the left :v:

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

byob historian posted:

and if youre not blazing why do you even have a synth :thunk:

The synths are so I can get high on synthing when I can’t get high on weeds.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
My HS-60 (Juno-106 wearing a mustache and glasses) has been acting up lately and at first I was worried it might be the infamous filter chip issue, but I ran through some test procedures to isolate the problem and discovered that all six voices were getting distorted and crackly, and narrowed it down to the output jacks and level switch combined with the volume knob all being dirty (flipping the output level switch or turning the volume knob caused crackling and volume dropouts), so I finally got around to hitting the switches, sliders, knobs and jacks with a spritz of Deoxit and I'm happy to say it sounds rich and beautiful and is still full of that creamy 80's Roland analog goodness. :unsmith:

My next course of action is to eventually order six chip sockets for the filter chip mini-boards, unsolder them from the board, soak them all in acetone to remove the faulty epoxy coatings (which become conductive as they age and start shorting out the chips, causing the filters-going-bad issue), and then reseat them into the new sockets making for easy removal & re-cleaning or replacement in the future if one of them does still crap out after removing the epoxy (if you're thorough getting the epoxy off, it shouldn't happen, but sometimes you can miss a tiny flake stuck on one of the traces on the filter board).

Once I futureproof the filter chips, I may look at getting the Kiwi-106 upgrade kit that adds a sequencer/arp/chord generator and more modulation options, iincluding the ability to modulate PW by the envelope (the removal of the arp and ability to modulatie pulse width with the envelope are the two biggest features it loses out on vs. the Juno-6/60)


toadee posted:

Just FYI those cuts are not precise and if you try to make a box using wood cut by a dude at home depot it will definitely be lopsided

More importantly, the wood ain't the pricey part of any case, it's the power supply. If someone designed, built and sold a decent cheap PSU that didn't require a wallwart, and some cheap rails, those would allow you to DIY up a case waaaaaaaaaay cheaper. But even the DIY case poo poo Doepfer and others sell costs a loving mint, like $60 for a pair of 84 HP rails and over $100 for a cheap lovely PSU that's basically a wall-wart and a bus board with a socket to plug the wall-wart into. :psyduck:

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 26, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Mulloy posted:

So - My wife surprised me with a Theremin because I've jokingly referred to wanting to make space sounds at our house. However, she did not get an amp. Given that I know jack and poo poo about this, I thought I'd ask if there were general guidelines in terms of wattage, brand, features, etc.... Budget is 100-300. Any recommendations?

Assuming you just want something for playing it around the house and not performing on stage with it, something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004LRP56W/ref=psdcmw_11966221_t2_B0001POENI?th=1&psc=1

Or one of the little Roland Cube-series amps should work fine:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Cube10GX--roland-cube-10gx-10-watt-1x8-inch-cosm-combo-amp-with-fx

The Cube has some built in amp simulation and effects stuff that will let you modify how the Theremin sounds, should that appeal to you.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Electric Bugaloo posted:

Isn’t the general consensus that keyboard amps are bunk (unless your performance space doesn’t have a PA and requires one) and that you’re better off plugging into a mixer/interface and monitors or PA system? Because synths have line-level outs unlike guitars that need pickup amplification?

Yeah, but the dude needs some way to hear his Theremin - they usually ain’t got speakers built in.

Also, you’d be surprised at how many small venues have no, or poo poo PA where you’re better off just bringing your own amp (or just use a bass amp; my KC-150 does double duty as both a keyboard amp and also for my bass guitar, since it does have a high-impedance input with a gain knob).

They’re also necessary if you’re playing in an actual band and have to do band practices, because then you get to compete with a drummer that has no volume knob and guitarists who refuse to turn theirs down!

But either way, once you’re playing shows at the level where keyboard amps become superfluous, you’re likely a professional playing larger venues with much higher volume requirements than portable amps can reasonably fill, which is why the largest, most powerful keyboard amps tend to be a lot smaller and lower wattage than the oversized 4x12 and 8x12 stacks guitarists and bassists start accumulating as if they’re in a competition - they’re mostly for practices and small shows at dingy dive bars.

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Sep 5, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Transistor Rhythm posted:

I scored a local Ensoniq SQ-80 for $150. I don't understand how these things aren't $2000. The best of weird eighties digital and analog, can sound very vintage analog or insanely weird digital. And it's a joy to work on even though it has the one data slider.

Everything in this post applies to the DW-8000 as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bh_xr_5DPw

Criminally underrated.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

64bit_Dophins posted:

Sounds like a fatter version of the Poly-800

Same filters IIRC, though it actually has 8 filters (one per voice) unlike the Poly-800, which shared one filter for all 8 voices (thus technically making it a paraphonic synth, not a true poly).

I had, and tossed a Poly-800; it’s garbage compared to the DW, especially when the DW can be had for not much more money than the $100 you occasionally see P800s going for.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
I think I'm about to pull the trigger on a Prophet Rev2 16 voice :homebrew: unless anyone has some horror stories about them.

I do miss the lil' Mopho I used to have :smith:, but it had to go when I was getting rid of all my monosynths except for my eurorack and my X0Xbox since those were the two irreplaceable monos that can do things no polysynth quite gets perfect.

A 16 voice poly Rev2 though, well that lets me get more of that Prophet and mod-matrix goodness, in addition to lush stacked analog layers, without violating my "no more monos" rule :getin:

I can't recall the last time I saw anyone in here mention owning and DSI stuff, does anyone in here even still buy the higher-end modern synths like the Prophets?
'Cause sometimes it feels like I'm the only person readin' this thread who isn't permanently on the Teenage Engineering/Elektron/Medusa/Volca boutique-or-cheap oddball synth crackpipe... :catdrugs:

edit: Welcome to page (JX-)305
(that was the first synth I ever bought new, back in 1999)

edit edit: I also just now realized that I've had, at one point or another, all of the various models in Roland's JX series, in one way or another: one of the first synths I ever bought used was a JX-3P, then a few years later I got my 305, and then up until 5 years ago I had a JX-10 (which also counts as a JX-8P, since it is literally just the 76 key version of the 8P with double the polyphony, and the two are patch-compatible and use the same PG-800 external programmer and memory carts).

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Sep 21, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Bolange posted:

I've got a Prophet 08 module (that I need to sell--it's a great module, I'm just not a fan of the Curtis filter) and an OB-6 keyboard that is literally the best sounding synth I've ever laid my hands on (though I wish it was as flexible wrt modulation as the 08). DSI puts out quality instruments and both of their synths that I own feel well built and durable. I would not hesitate to recommend their stuff if the sound speaks to you.

Oh, I’m well familiar, as I mentioned I used to own a Mopho, which was basically the Pro-One II (they actually have that name printed on the circuit board inside) version of Prophet ‘08.

As far as the sound, what sold me on it was this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2FO0dw7Nk
At the 3:25 point where it goes on to do a fairly credible imitation of a CS-80.

Considering a CS-80 is my “won the jackpot dream synth”, and for over a decade a Prophet-5 was one of my dream synths, I’ll take a synth with “Prophet” on it that can imitate a CS-80, thanks. :grin:

The P6 and OB-6 modules were on my shortlist and price range, but in the end the greater polyphony, more complex modulation options, and having it in keyboard format (since part of it is from listing over P5s so much, and wanting to have that Prophet name showing out the back of my kb stand when I’m playing that a module wasn’t quite what I wanted). If I really need the slightly meatier sound that a P6 could offer over a Rev 2, well, I can just multitrack my modular and layer that.

e: and the massive polyphony + the ability to layer and split are huge for Rev 2 as well. You can afford to make everything a two layer patch :getin:

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Sep 22, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

byob historian posted:

assuming you want a poly for something more than weird corner cases

It’s shameful, but true; I write actual songs with defined structure, I don’t make 90 minute loops of robot farts :negative:. I should turn in my badge.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

I’m going to smoke a bowl and fiddle around with my eurorack for two hours while not recording anything as penance.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
Trip report: the Rev 2 is everything I'd hoped for, between the 3 envelopes, 4 LFOs, and 8 mod matrix slots, it's a modulation monster that can drat near do anything my eurorack setup can, except with 16 fuckin voices of polyphony.The first patch I made from scratch was this huge, thick organ-like lead that becomes unusably thick if you turn on unison at all, even if it's just 2-voice unison, and at 16 voice unison with a bit of detune, it's just a dense, thick wall that you can't even hack through with a machete.

The second patch I made from scratch is just an insane modulationfest, doing things like using one LFO to modulate the waveshape of one osc on sawtooth, then using a second LFO to modulate the first LFO's rate, resulting in chaos like this:
https://soundcloud.com/user-984973587/spacewarz/s-xzzXV

That's the result of turning on the arp and setting it to latch, hitting a chord, and then just recording the output.
It's one thing to have a couple LFOs, it's another to have 64 free-running, non-synced LFOs spread over 16 voices. It's ridiculous and I love it.

One other thing, it takes a looooooong time to run the calibration routine when you've got that many voices:

I remember self-calibration taking like 20 secs tops on my old Matrix-6 (only other synth I've owned that had a self-calibration routine); this thing takes a minute or two, since it calibrates each individual osc (32 total) over 10 octaves each, plus the 16 filters.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

MrSargent posted:

The Prophet Rev 2 I assume. Commonly referred to as a Rev2 for short.

This. And speaking of,


8/16 voice versions, 4 LFOs, 3 EGs, plus onboard FX.... it’s like they looked through the Rev 2’s spec sheet and said “well, we have to have at least this much in order to be a real competitor”. Though the pricing is just as laughable as the rest of Moog’s modern pricing.

Say what you will about how good/bad the sound of Dave Smith’s modern synths are, he’s still the only other synth maker as influential as Bob Moog was, and still setting trends for other manufacturers to follow, including, apparently, Moog themselves now.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Oldstench posted:

Typical East Coast synthesis bias.

The three people that use Buchla don't count, ok. :colbert:

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

A LOVELY LAD posted:

Here comes one of those really lovely gear requests where I want everything at once at low cost:

I'm looking at a way of doing synth live where im with a live drummer and layering up simple played loops and possibly playing keys over that so im loooking for multiple midi inputs (or 1 midi 1 usb) so I could have keys/foot pedals/triggers. So in that it would need to be poly and multi timbre.

I think the best options I've seen are:
- Sunvox or similar on a raspberry pi with some sort of step hardware sequencer box going into it,
- Having a bunch of synths into a hardware sequencer
- Using a guitar loop pedal?

I've had a poke around with cabbage audio/and supercollider and it seems like they could possibly do the trick if I have multiple code bases running, I didn't really get all that far into it but I think I'll have to delve deeper into supercollider.


Anyways any advice/insults/directions to look in would be much appreciated.

If I’m understanding what you want correctly, a Prophet Rev 2 can do all that:
Has both regular MIDI ports and MIDI-over-USB and can send/receive over both simultaneously
Is bi-timbral with separate outs for both timbres
Has a built in per-timbre sequencer w/ tap-tempo or MIDI sync, and can be started and stopped by a foot pedal (or step advanced by the pedal too)

So if you wanted, you could just put it in split mode, tap your foot to start the sequencer for one side of the split, and play the keys for the other side of the split, and it will spit out MIDI clock through the ports on the back to whatever else you need.

edit: and if you're on a budget, you could pick up most any old used workstation synth from the late 90's/early 00's like a Roland XP-50/60/80, a Korg Triton/Trinity, Yamaha Motif, etc. to do the same.

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 7, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

My Lovely Horse posted:

Special shoutout to the 5mm too tall Model D box.

Speakin of the Boog, I’ve been keeping an eye out for news about their SH-101 clone so I can grab one as soon as it’s out so I can finally live out my dreams of playin’ a keytar on stage, which has led to skimming through a bunch of threads on gearslutz & other sites and.....

hooooooly poo poo are there way too many people with an axe to grind against Uli for making cheap (read: actually affordable) clones of vintage synths.

These were the same numbskulls who just a few years earlier would whinge nonstop about how ”Roland really needs to stop making ‘fake’ VAs with the names of their vintage synths and they could totally make a mint if only they’d just make a real analog synth instead of digital cash grabs like the boutique series or the Gaia or Juno-D”.

Then when someone does actually remake the gear they were all clamoring for, they just get real mad at him for his “attempt to cash in on the fame of the originals” and “stealing money from the original creators) instead of making something original and modern instead - conveniently forgetting the Deepmind and Neutron in the process (these same twits also complained for a decade that Dave Smith wasn’t just immediately making reissues of the Prophet 5 as soon as he started DSI). I also notice these same mouthbreathers weren’t shy about lining up to buy X0Xbox kits, back when the original runs were still being assembled.

So much cognitive dissonance :psyduck:

For my part, I’m really looking forward to grabbing the MS-101 and VC-340 plus the 808 and 909 clones when they come out. And the other big ones I’m hoping Behringer clones are a Jupiter 8 clone and maybe an Arp 2600, if for no other reason than the only reason I originally got into eurorack was because it was the cheapest way to get the functionality and capabilities of a 2600... and when the *cheap* way of getting the synth you want involves dropping a few thou on eurocrack, you know the market prices are a bit hosed.

I do have to wonder how much of the nastiness and anger at Behringer is just collectors mad that this is likely to devalue large collections of vintage gear by a lot; the musicians who only care about having an instrument to play should be ecstatic, since this means they will be able to get more synths, for a lot less money. For someone just starting out right now, you can get a whole lotta synth for $1200- a Deepmind 6, a Neutron, and a Boog. I paid $1200 for the first proper synth I ever bought new, and that was for a mid-range rompler in the 90’s, so being able to get not one, but three good-sounding synths for that price, and real-deal analog ones at that (not VAs or romplers) is just fantastic.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

BeigeJacket posted:

Roland could re-issue identical, part for part versions of the 808/101/etc and these wankers would be moaning that the packing peantuts don’t sound analogue enough.

That’s just it: they’re not mad that they don’t sound exactly like the originals, they’re mad that these identical-sounding clones weren’t made by Roland (or Sequential or Arp, etc).
They’re literally mad that the person answering their demands to remake the vintage stuff isn’t the same company that made the originals (yet for some reason I haven’t seen them bitching at Korg for making the Karp Odyssey at a reasonable price). And these same complainers are all over Roland’s dick to get their Minimoog-knockoff.

I honestly think they’re mostly mad that it’s Behringer doing it instead of a ‘prestigious’ brand, because they’ve spent so long turning up their noses at that brand that they can’t bring themselves be happy you don’t have to pay $3000 for a Minimoog anymore.

I have a feeling that if some pricey boutique brand or someone like Yamaha was to make a 100% identical clone of say, a Juno-106 or something similar, these guys would be lining up to fellate whoever made the announcement, as long as it’s not a ‘cheap’ brand.

It’s also worth noting that as a 106 owner, I would be thrilled if someone made a cheap clone (preferably without flaky filter chips like the original). I don’t care if mine lost 2/3 of it’s value overnight, because then I wouldn’t have to worry about losing it due to parts failure or something and being unable to afford a replacement at current prices.

Oldstench posted:

So, you know what you did wrong, right?

If this thread had an RSS feed of all the new synth news I’m looking for, I wouldn’t have to slum it on whatever sites come up on the first page of google results for “Behringer SH-101 release date and price” :colbert:

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Oct 31, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
So I have a 4U SKB rack case that I've had for years, and in all those years, I've only found 3U worth of stuff to put in it: currently it has my 8in/8out audio interface, a Digitech RDS1000 chorus/delay/reverb/phaser, and a TC Electronic M-One XL reverb/fx unit. I really wanna get something to fill the last 1u of space, but I'm not sure what I wanna put there; currently the leading option is either some cheap 80's/90's Roland ROMpler rackmount, like a D-110 (I used to have a D-110, and it was in fact, my first real synthesizer of any kind, and I still have a soft spot for those vintage Roland ROMpler pads and pianos), but I'm not sure which one I want; the other option I'm considering is some form of rackmount FX unit, but as I've already got both a modern and vintage multiFX units, as well as some stompboxes that already can more than handle all my reverb/delay/phaser needs, I dunno what else I could possibly fit in there as far as an effect. I could use a good distortion effect, especially if it can do more than one type of distortion, but I dunno of any that are rackmount and 1U.

So I need suggestions for good 1U synths that are fairly cheap (sub $300 is what I'm kinda looking for). The 1U height limit rules out a lotta other stuff I'd be interested in (a JV-1080 or XV-5080, or any of the MKS-series, all at least 2U), as well as pretty much anything currently available new that I'd be willing to save up a while for (like an Integra-7 module (2U high) or Kemper Profiler rack (3U high).

Especial preference for something with good e-piano/organ/acoustic piano presets, as that's the primary thing I'm needing in my live rig (it could replace having to drag my JX-305 along, since that and pads are the only thing it ever gets used for these days), and I've already got all the knob-covered-analog-synthy poo poo covered with all my other synths (the aforementioned JX-305 is literally the only synth I have that isn't knob-per-function as well as the only non-analog/virtual-analog synth I have). With the note that I don't care how awful the interface or menu-diving is as long as the presets are solid, does anyone have any good suggestions for cheap 1U height ROMpler type synths?

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

JamesKPolk posted:

What about like two jv-1010s or a xv-5050 or something? You can get that synth in the footprint you want (there are a couple other half or full 1 u options w/ similar model numbers that are basically the same engine) and they show up for that price pretty regularly.

For the JV-1010s, I'd rather get one rather than two synths, because I'm already short on MIDI outs and mixer ins as it is, and if I get two, at least one of them would have to be left unplugged 99.999% of the time, both because it's redundant to have two identical preset-only modules, and because having to move everything around so I can get at the back of my rack to actually get at the rear panels of anything is a huge undertaking in my tiny studio space (my eurorack is sitting on top of the rack case, which is on top of a table, and the cables going into and out of all that stuff doesn't have enough slack to let me spin everything around while it's still plugged in). I'd also dismissed other half-width units like the Alesis nano series for the same reasons.

For the XV-5050, it's tied with another D-110 for what I will likely end up getting, with the only downside to 5050s is they appear to be less common than the 3080 and 5080: https://reverb.com/p/roland-xv-5050-64-voice-digital-synthesizer-module (yeah, I already know there's several on ebay).

I'm mostly worried I may have missed some other really interesting 1U rack synth from someone other than Roland that might be fun to have or that I didn't know I needed until now.

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Nov 19, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Laserjet 4P posted:

there's your problem

you don't need 30 of 'm, it just seems like a good idea because they don't take up any space, or because you get 'm for free with something

Some truth there; 90% of the time the only soft synths I use are Albino 3, Absynth, and FM8. Particularly Albino, which makes me sad that it’s been discontinued for years, as it’s easily one of my favourite synths (hard or soft) and cannot recommend it enough - I actually like it for bass duty far more than any of my actual real analog synths, including my eurorack with a Moog filter clone module, and Albino 3’s pads are just sublime.

Doubly damning is that unlike older hardware synths, you can’t just grab a used soft synth at a garage sale or local keyboard seller. :(

But yeah, find two or three plugins that you really really like the sound of, and focus on getting everything you can and learning all the quirks of just those handful, and it will likely help you flex your creativity a little more and get more comfortable with designing and tweaking sounds.

Once you Get Gud(tm), then feel free to go hog wild with GAS and fill up all the free space on your HDD (and home) with as many synths as you can afford :getin:

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
Holy poo poo when did Matrix 6's get loving expensive? People are asking like $1200 for them - I bought mine about 19 years ago for like $125 because everyone knew they were the shittiest model of Oberheim you could get (well, barring a Matrix 1000).

And yet compared to the turn of the century, these days new analog polys with better/thicker sound quality than the Matrix 6 are widely available and dirt cheap, you'd be much better off spending that money on something like a Monologue or Deepmind or something. It's not an iconic synth with massive sound that was on countless hit songs, it's a cheap entry level synth with thin, weedy sound even when it was new.

WTF is wrong with collectors?

It steams me because I lost my Matrix 6 when an ex-girlfriend broke it off with me while it was still over at her house. I waited a few days to let her cool off before asking to collect my stuff, and she had already given it (and my first bass guitar) to a Goodwill, and now I wish I had it so I could unload it to some dumb collector for 10x what I paid for it - enough to get a deepmind 6 AND a Minilogue.

Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Dec 23, 2018

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
Speaking of Volca drum machines, I finally got around to looking into the C78 cap mod to fix the snare, and my package with the baggie of 104 caps I ordered was on the front porch today when I got home, so I went and got my soldering poo poo and just finished installing it.

As someone who is very comfortable with soldering and didn’t even think twice about getting and building a XoXbox kit*, this was the single most painful soldering job I have ever done. Jesus wept, trying to solder a thru hole component to pads for a tiny smd component that are less than a mm apart... 😨

*I did pay the extra $10 or whatever on my kit to have it come with the USB chip already soldered onto the board, because I don’t have the equipment to easily do smd poo poo.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Philthy posted:

Edit: The amount of sounds you get with Analog Lab is INSANE. $30 to upgrade and you go from 500 sounds to 6000. And they all sound really good. Then they have a built in sound bank browser that goes to their site and there are even MORE free banks you can download. fffffffffffff

I’m waiting for your galaxy-brain-moment in a few weeks where you start learning how to program your own sounds for free and it makes paying money just for presets seem insignificant.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

so, here’s maybe a less-common question (also, hi!)

I’m looking for a midi keyboard with full size keys and a decent amount of range (I’d prefer 63 but I’d consider 49 depending on price) but I don’t really care about how it integrates with a daw. I’m going to be using it mostly to play my nyx in duophonic mode (and other hardware synths that I intend to pick up). I’m doing okay with the arturia keystep and the nyx is only duophonic so I guess I don’t really need full size keys, but I have long spider fingers and I just don’t like minis. the only data I really care about sending is the keyboard, mod wheel and pitch wheel. the nektar P6 has good reviews regarding the keybed and physical feel of the equipment, but most of the online conversation/reviews seem to be focusing on how it integrates with various software. is there a stripped down keyboard with good, full size keys for a mostly analog and physical setup like mine? I was hoping there might be because I figure a lot of the price of the nicer ones is the daw integration and software design and I don’t need any of that.

go look at Studiologic, it’s the house brand for Fatar, who makes the keybeds for around 3/4 of all major synth brands, and they have a lotta stripped-down no-frills controllers for good prices. The action on their keys are generally always gonna be decent to play since they’re the ones making most of the keybeds for Roland/Yamaha/Korg/Moog/Sequential/etc.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Gringostar posted:

since the volcas usually come in 3's, the original analog ones and then the FM following the kick and sample, what seems more likely for the "poly" of this batch?

volca M1?

or volca wavestation?

Volca Poly-800 lmao

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
Tellin’ ya, an architecture consisting of 8 DCOs and a single analog filter would be real simple to make as a single chip, and would let them advertise it as an 8 voice poly for the Volca line.

It’s genius, pay me royalties Korg.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
I've been very amused by the recent surge in the number of DW-8000 videos on youtube as people slowly and belatedly realize it's a loving fantastic top-of-the-line synth (it was Korg's flagship and aimed at the same market-space as stuff like the Jupiter-8/JX-10/DX-1/Prophet VS/PPG Wave/etc) and is a total steal for the pittance they still go for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky8868Xbej0

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

BonoMan posted:

What does everyone use for their workstations? I'm a PC guy typically and usually build them myself (this is because I'm an animator/VFX guy). Is there any real reason to go mac other than pro tools?

No. The only reason to go Mac is Logic, which is much better than Protools. The only reason anybody uses Protools is because it’s been the ‘standard’ at big studios for so long. It’s kinda like Quark Express from the printing and publishing world, an ugly relic of the mid 90’s that should have been discontinued long, long ago, but is thankfully being put out of misery, albeit far too slowly, by newer software (by stuff like Waveform and Ableton and Logic that has adopted a much more intuitive and easy to use UI on the music side, and by Indesign doing the same in the print world).

Thinking of Macs specifically for doing a/v production work (music, film editing, print and prepress) is similarly from an earlier era where they had strengths and capabilities superior to PCs, but those days are long, long past and both Macs and PCs are pretty much indistinguishable for any practical purpose, aside from price and Apple’s much more restricted set of options and lack of upgradability, which for most people means a Windows box will probably be cheaper and easier to customize for your needs 99% of the time.

Software wise, any serious major plugins are available as VST, but not all of them have a version in the proprietary Protools format or in the Apple version of VSTs (most have all 3 by now, but there are a few that only have one or two of the three) so if you pick something like Cubase/FL Studio/Ableton/Sonar/Waveform on a PC, you will maximize your smorgasbord of available plugins as well.

I typed this on my iPhone while listening to something playing on my iPad, while sitting in my recording studio room with three Windows machines running Win 10 (main sequencing and production computer), Windows 7 (special ultraquiet computer specifically custom built by myself to be inaudible to my sensitive condenser mics for when I’m recording with mics), and Windows XP, all running copies of Waveform and/or it’s predecessor Tracktion.

The last being my old music laptop that I used to use for practice sessions in my old band at the guitarist/vocalist’s house - I only needed to lug the laptop, full of plugins, my 25-key X-Station to use as synth-controller-audio i/o for the laptop, and my keyboard amp when I drove across the state line to Washington to write poo poo with him.

95% of writing and recording these songs was done by the two of us with that exact setup (ancient core2duo 2ghz laptop/X-Station/kb amp) at his house:
https://m.soundcloud.com/civic-silver/line-trace-shadow
https://m.soundcloud.com/civic-silver/steps-along-the-edge
https://m.soundcloud.com/civic-silver/saturday-afternoons-slow-section

Even the guitar was DI’d into the laptop thru the X-Station, which is the divinely ordained one true controller synth every bedroom producer needs for work.

tl;dr: my stoned ramblings about why a PC running Waveform with a Novation X-Station is still the best music making setup you can get for the dollar, so no don’t get a Mac for Protools.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

WorldWarWonderful posted:

Basically this. I set the track resolution to eight (track+shift+eight) and record live and it lets you cram pretty much whatever you want in there.

Another trick I use is multiplying steps where there are no notes to spread melodies out more. Don't forget to mix up things like your note modifier step components, conditional triggers, and jump components for just about all your needs. Here's an example of something I did a few days ago and hopefully I can explain it well:

1) I set the resolution to the slowest playback possible and live record a melody over the first eight trigs on the melody track.
2) Place a step component on trig 8 that jumps back to the start, and set a spark that makes it play twice before continuing playing the pattern.
3) Live record a melody over trigs 9 through 16 and repeat step 2 for those.
4) Have a bassline set to play at the longest resolution, but have the mixer track ONLY affect the bassline and change its key corresponding to the melody halfway through.
5) Plop down random note modifier components and sparks to add variety.

In theory I can have four completely different melodies (live recorded over trigs 1-4, 5-8, 8-12, 13-16) and program conditions at the end of each mini-sequence that jump to any set (https://www.teenageengineering.com/guides/op-z/step-components - look at the jump component) and with the conditional trigs decide when I want each part to play.

Edit: To be clear, changing the resolution doesn’t change anything except how fast the track cycles through the sixteen trigs. It doesn’t extend the length of the pattern. Fake it by recording live or using the plugins, and don’t forget to use the trig modifiers to add a little more variation.

This entire poo poo sounds like 800% more hassle than just arming a track and hitting record, maybe followed by clicking on ‘quantize’ and picking a value, and makes me so glad I never sipped the Teenage Engineering flavor-aid.

edit: to be clear, it just seems like their entire workflow is a solution in search of a problem that was solved 30 years ago with the invention of arpeggiators and midi.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

quote:

Always happy to get some more DX7 patches. Incidentally, who is WCOG, besides the World Congress of Gastroenterology?

https://youtu.be/VV062iZ711E

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

quote:

who is WCOG?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bXV4RsEy8b8

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Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

quote:

who the bloody gently caress is WCOG?!?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUuRrwot3PY

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