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Badger of Basra posted:Wow do we have two Pinochetistas in one thread? Keep going right. We're pining for the days of Spanish absolute monarchy and colonialism itt. The economy sure was great back when when we didn't have to pay pensions or any of that poo poo because we were just working all the natives to death in the copper mines!  
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Complaining about Pinochet is lazy. Put some effort in and post something substantial: like ignoring all substance and complaining that an argument is too left-wing
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Squalid posted:Sorry, but tbh I kind of the respect the people who are completely against liberal democracy People like you?
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May 3, 2020 21:29
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fnox posted:you're aware there's places in Latin America where being a political dissident means that you may likely be kidnapped and killed, along with your family, right? Like, can we at the very least agree that there's much worse democracies than America? Lol that you think political dissidents don't get kidnapped or murdered in America.
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fnox posted:Not to the degree they do in the rest of Latin America, no. To say it's comparable is delusional, and when an American tries to compare the problems they face in their country with what the third-world has to deal with, it gets pretty loving embarrassing. Particularly, when you know that comes from a position of entitlement. I think it's inarguable that it doesn't happen to the same degree, but it's also inarguable that if a superior imperial power wanted to justify instigating a military coup in the USA there's enough irregularities in American elections that they'd have no trouble coming up with a fig leaf
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fnox posted:Who goes on a secret raid with their passport, driver's license, loving veteran ID? Did he pack some crayons too, for a snack? I am starting to think that Donald Trump is maybe not very competent
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Cup Runneth Over posted:we will basically never know who won Iowa this year lol oh gently caress I can't believe I forgot that a candidate for office paid for the software that was supposed to tally the votes lmao
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fnox posted:Nah, if this was actually US government sponsored, they wouldn't send two guys. Seems like this Jordan Goudreau guy somehow roped these two guys to launch an "amphibious assault" consisting of a single peñero being sent a couple states in the wrong direction of Caracas. If the actual US military were involved, you'd see a carrier group. why was your buddy Mike Pompeo tweeting excitedly about this opportunity to murder a bunch of south americans then https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1257641896123351041 VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:38 on May 6, 2020 |
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It's funny how we needed a coup to fix Bolivia's election, but now that there's a military dictatorship that won't hold elections at all hm well it would be really nice if they would
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I'm sure the OAS will publish a report about how this is all fine and exit polls are fake news anyway so we shouldn't pay attention to them
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Marenghi posted:Has squalid ever come back to this thread since the coup got voted out. would you
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Squalid posted:Hello Tell it to the families of the people who were murdered during the coup by the fascist government you supported
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I’ve like just about everything I’ve heard for him and it’s hard for me to imagine how things could have played out better following his win, considering the circumstances
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Grouchio posted:It's not up to Biden. Bolsonaro is currently polling majorities in favor of impeachment and absolute majorities opposed to his reelection. There's also no relation between Cuba and Brazilian presidential elections, and it is needlessly conspiratorial to associate them. And as a final aside, it reveals a pretty startling lapse of memory about Obama's foreign policy, since his policy was one of detente and rapprochement with Cuba. Sounds like the Biden administration has a lot of voter fraud investigations in Brazil coming up, that Lula's at it again!
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Thank god Mexico was liberated from the bloody Aztec regime, now let me just turn the page of my history book because I can't wait to read about how peaceful and benevolent Spanish rule was
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Just for courtesy can posters at least give the gist of links in English itt? Not everyone reading has necessarily any grounding in Spanish or even knows where to look. (and given what mainstream news and search engines are like when it comes to Latin America...) Something like: "ex de facto leader of Bolivia attempted suicide in prison" I assume "El Deber" is a newspaper
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Underpopulation seems like a fake problem. America only had 280 million people in 1990, oh my stars how did we ever survive such dangerous underpopulation
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punk rebel ecks posted:The issue is having a workforce and general society to support the elderly. That's more of a distribution problem in modern industrial society, but yeah sure if you want to care for the elderly and also make sure Bezos and Musk have a few trillion in play money to launch yachts to the moon then yeah I guess you would need a massive force of exploited wage slaves
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*fur-hatted squat-dancing person with a name like Sabine Ulyanov-Vissarionovich* "President Putin, my country longs for freedom"
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Noted tankie and Castroist traitor Senator John F Kennedy posted:Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years ... and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state—destroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista—hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend—at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections.
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fnox posted:The bolibourgeoise came to dominate the country, and unlike at least some of the old money, they couldn't really claim any sort of merit to their wealth. Wait what, how can "old money" claim any sort of merit to their wealth, the literal definition of old money is inherited money ie money that came to them because of their genes and their last name. Someone whose money was made in their lifetime (the only money that could be argued to come from 'merit' in some cases) is new money, can't be old money by definition
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The Mexican president claims to be anti-imperialist, but the USA is saying jump and he isn't asking "how high? " Curious! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Since when did Ukraine become a Latin American country, did I miss some news about a government-in-exile being formed in Mexico City? Why are you guys arguing about Ukraine and what do you expect Latin American countries, which have their own problems, to do about it anyway? Isn't the US dealing enough arms for the whole hemisphere, do the other countries even have the domestic arms industries to outweigh what America is already doing in the first place, I don't really get what's being demanded here
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's just extremely weird for people (like the president of Mexico) to declare themselves "anti-imperialist" but shrug and refuse to see wrongdoing with more obvious imperialist conquest. It highlights a lot of hyperbole when there's literal examples hanging around in the news and being ignored. Like it seems common to call the US embargo of Cuba a "blockade", when Russia is doing a very literal blockade by blocking Ukraine's ports with warships and seamines. It's even weirder in the context that this isn't like during the Cold War when the world was organizing into power blocs, Russia hasn't put time or money into cultivating its international relations beyond business purposes like they did as the Soviet Union. There's no pragmatic side to throwing in with Russia. I clicked through to the article linked in your tweet (something no one else seems to have bothered to do) and it said this Al Jazeera posted:Mexico has voted at the United Nations to condemn the invasion, but refused to impose sanctions on Russia. It sounds like he's just saying the sanctions are doing more harm than good, something some of Biden's own officials have also started to admit. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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Sounds like US sanctions on Venezuela are a great propaganda tool for Maduro, do you think they are worth it?
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Serious question: if Maduro actually is some kind of neoliberal thatcherite in socialist clothing who wants nothing more than to massacre local tribes, privatize energy, destroy social programs, and shower the elite with gold, why wasn't he invited to the Summit of the Americas to hang out with Biden and his good buddy Bolso who is doing all that to Brazil. Not a gotcha question, I'm seriously wondering why the USA wouldn't be hugging and kissing him like they do to every other neolib tyrant in Latin America, or for that matter like they did to Gorbechev and Yeltsin once they began dismantling the soviet state and ushering in a capitalist oligarchy.
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fnox posted:Uh no. Promising to literally give people money if they vote for you is indeed, a "crime against democracy". It's quite literally the thing you're not supposed to do if you're the government. I'd love a government that paid me from the treasury to vote for them, it's not like the status quo where they just funnel the treasury to wall street and military contractors and oil companies instead is any better ... Anyway, are you sure you guys really want to classify partisan judges throwing the opposition candidate in jail on trumped up charges before the election as "democratic"? Because if jailing opponents is democratic then that kinda undercuts your stance that Maduro wasn't democratically elected. Wouldn't it make more sense to just admit that the USA doesn't care about democracy and that's why Bolso was invited to pal around with Biden than to try and defend jailing political opponents as democratic or at least a legitimate means of winning democratically? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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He gave me more than that and I didn't vote for him. So no, I wouldn't because it's not enough to overcome how bad he would hurt me with his policies, but I don't think it was undemocratic that he sent me checks with his name on it and if the president sent me more checks while loving me that's better than now where I get nothing for getting hosed
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Is the objection that it's a non-secret ballot, or that people got money to vote. If the ballot isn't secret and the government can check who you voted for and intimidate you that's not democratic, but that's bad regardless of whether they also give you money. Giving people money to vote doesn't seem like a problem in itself. I mean yeah if one guy is offering me money that I need to eat and the other isn't, the choice is obvious why would I vote for the guy who isn't doing anything for me
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Yeah that's my question are they able to look at your ballot and beat you up or imply that they might or whatever if you voted wrong, or are they just saying "here's some cash vote for our party" and hoping some amount of people vote that way instead of just taking the money and voting for the other guy anyway because those are pretty different things.
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I mean I don't really see how that's a problem. If the rich are giving me a bit of their wealth to vote for them the obvious play is for the other guys to say hey we'll take even more from the rich and give you that so vote for us instead, if the other guys aren't going to do that then how are they better, sounds like they're worse. If the problem is that even if they said that no one would believe them, then yeah voting for money in my pocket now is clearly the rational choice if the other guys are probably lying, right. Although I wouldn't even need to actually vote for the guy giving me the money right, if they aren't checking ballots then I can take the money and vote for whoever. Idk sounds weird to call giving people a reason to vote for you antidemocratic especially right after assuring me that jailing the opposition on false charges in Brazil was still democratic because hey Bolso got more votes at the end of the day right. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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I think that's correct yes, they were hoping that by jailing Lula they'd get a right wing candidate elected (themselves) and they did just not the one they were hoping for. I'd still argue that jailing the opposition makes for an antidemocratic election even if it didn't grant the people doing it complete control over the outcome. I guess you could argue that none of this is Bolsonaro's fault personally and maybe that is even true (I have no idea whether he or his allies were involved at all), but speaking of the system as a whole it's pretty clearly not a democratic election if the guy who might have won was put in jail to prevent people from voting for him regardless of the eventual winner's culpability or lack thereof.
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fnox posted:This is a loving hilarious post considering this is exactly what happened in Venezuela with the largest party in the parliament being banned from running and all major contenders being either jailed or forbidden to run. But I guess it can’t be a consistent position because that would make Maduro as anti democratic if not worse.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Well, it's only not a problem if you don't believe democracy is real in the first place. I don't really see how that follows. People voting for a guy who is offering them material benefits in exchange sounds exactly like democracy to me. It's one of the reasons aristocrats gave to justify their fear and hatred of it, that someone would spend liberally from a fat purse and buy votes and power away from those who judged themselves best suited to rule in their own eyes anyway.
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America Inc. posted:Let's imagine it's 2024, and Bernie beat the odds and is running as the Democrat nominee. Jeff Bezos runs as the Republican nominee, and he guarantees he'll personally give everyone $10,000 in exchange for completely dismantling Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and social security. While I obviously wouldn't be pleased at the outcome if that worked for Bezos, I don't see how it would be unfair or undemocratic, I mean people get deceived into voting for politicians who promise say tax cuts while trying to destroy social programs that are worth more to a bunch of their voters. If that hypothetical election happened and Bernie didn't match his giveaways that would be pretty dumb. And anyway how is that different from now, we already have a president who is trying to cut all that stuff and I didn't even get the $10,000
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Marenghi posted:Not to derail into BTC but how did anyone think using it to buy in physical shops is in any way feasible. If they believe what they're saying they should be pawning their soon-to-be-worthless paper money off on the coffee merchants instead of buying coffee for a million dollars a cup or whatever they think that amount of bitcoin will be worth in the future
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Marenghi posted:I'm sure they realize a unilateral invasion of a sovereign, neighboring country would destroy their credibility with regards to opposing Russia's invasion of Ukraine. With whom? Having a hard time imagining someone who still thinks US war planners are credible good faith actors and whose mind would be changed by one more invasion of Haiti. E: probably has more to do with domestic US politics and Biden being afraid of being blamed for more dead young Americans in the news, so he's only interested in new foreign adventures if he can convince other countries to do the dying VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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So is the argument that it is good the UK stole Venezuela's gold reserves because hypothetically they or another foreign power might successfully carry out a coup and install a friendly government that would be a better steward of the reserves and use them to help out the people
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Google Jeb Bush posted:you're making some unwarranted assumptions here and one of them is that the guy who
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I don't think there's any need to get angry at anyone, even people arguing for imperial interventions are I think coming from a good place. When we see horrific and senseless suffering happening in the world, it's only human nature to say "well surely there must be something one can do, there must be someone who knows what to do and will come in and fix all this". And when a wealthy powerful neighboring government takes up this burden and says "oh yes, we care so much, we are humanitarians, we'll send in the cavalry right away", it's a very attractive proposition. They've got to really mean it right, because the alternative is a world where senseless suffering just happens and the people in charge like it that way and bad things happen to good people. So we'd much rather have hope, no matter how bad the track record of the imperial power is, hey maybe this time will be different, this will finally be the good invasion after so many disappointments, you know all those other times it was supposed to be the good invasion. It's completely understandable. Now I admit, I haven't yet found myself going "well maybe the guy who put pedophile warlords in charge of Afghanistan, double-tapped wedding parties with drone strikes to get all the first responders too, and incinerated an aid worker and his family as a last gently caress-you on his way out of the country really cares about these other poor foreigners", but I understand why someone would. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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