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The Iron Rose posted:

Walker also believes what he's saying. Like Sanders, that's what makes him utterly unelectable.


Thank God too, I'd much rather someone in the Oval Office who puts pragmatism above principle.

A True Believer Socialist would probably do better than a True Believer Conservative. Well for 99% of us anyway. Seems like the people funding the right are throwing their weight behind whoever they think is closest to a president that will turn America into the dystopian wasteland they so crave.

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Tatum Girlparts posted:

He's a really lovely Jew, we also have teachings against holding hate in your heart, bigotry to your fellow man, cruelty to downtrodden people, and even if you believe yourself in some kind of equal war between Israel and Palestine the Jewish faith praises mercy and compassion to its foes.

Most religions teach those things. Most people that follow those religions only do those things when they feel like it and make excuses the rest of the time.

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dijon du jour posted:

Laffo I was really confused by the third panel in this til I read the next strip and realized this duder literally thinks "homosexual" and "pedophile" are synonyms. Are you sure this guy actually retired and didn't just accidentally step out into the sunlight one day and crumble to ash?

Right wing media types really, really like making slippery slope fallacies especially if they don't follow. "Well if we allow two consenting adults of the same gender to get married next thing you know individual adults will be marrying things that can't legally consent to marriage!"

I like to take it the opposite direction to show how ridiculous it is. "Well if we ban gay marriage we'll have to ban straight marriage next!"

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Ron Paul Atreides posted:

it's because they see heterosexual marriage as the man taking possession of the woman rather than a partnership, they only acknowledge the man's prerogative and initiative. From that perspective the slippery slope makes sense, since it's only about the man wanting to marry

it is of course a deeply hosed up way to look at marriage

Oh I get that's the traditional Biblical view of marriage but that can be swished away by pointing out all the other insane marriage-related rules the Bible has. Or just the Biblical rules in general that are insane. There is some bonkers poo poo in there. According to the book it's perfectly acceptable for a man to literally sell his daughters and also for a man to force one of his woman slaves to marry him.

Yeah hey let's go back to "traditional life" as defined in the Bible where it's perfectly OK to go smash the closest village apart, kill all the men, and take all the virgin women as your wives. Yup, traditional marriage, violent and literally slavery.

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Cat Mattress posted:

I remember seeing something that was basically a cartoon version of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

Not the same art and there wasn't a complete overlap in source material, but the general idea ("a biblical marriage is between one man, one woman, her sister, the maidservant, and hundreds of concubines, captives, slaves, etc.") was the same.

To this day that's still one of my favorite videos. "I believe in the Biblical definition of one man and one woman" is such bollocks when you look at the Bible. I'm half tempted to just send people a link to that instead of arguing.

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Internet Webguy posted:

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"Why isn't Obama doing anything about ISIS and all the beheadings?"
One week later: "Why is Obama doing something about ISIS and all the beheadings?"

Pretty sure the right won't be satisfied until nukes fall on the Middle East and it turns into a large mirror.

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Darkman Fanpage posted:

This reeks of the "NOBEL'S INVENTION OF DYNAMITE KILLS MILLIONS".

It's also kind of dumb because there are a poo poo load of people using antidepressants to become, you know, functional. They sure helped me recover from a bad dose of the crazy.

That's a common excuse used to "prove" that Big Pharma is hideously evil and knows that drugs turn people into murderers but don't care. You can pick pretty much any demographic at all and find at least one person in that group that did something hideous at some point. That does not mean that the entire demographic is evil. Granted this is also probably a case of looking at it the wrong way. The argument is "a person taking a mental health pill did something awful so it was obviously the mental health pill" instead of looking at it like people with some form of crazy are more likely to do these things but also more likely to be using said pills. It isn't the pills that is causing it.

Granted that also makes me think of the whole violent video games argument. Millions of people have played GTA games. If those games make people more violent why is violent crime still going down? If those games cause violence why does such a small percentage of people playing said games become murderers?

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Weirdo posted:

I'm not too savvy on the whole Greece situation, but I found this joke pretty cute.

The short of it is that Greece was basically forced to take a poo poo load of sovereign debt and its economy is in shambles because of it. The country is broke and has no way to fix it. The rest of Europe gave them some help but now the rest of Europe is on the brink of kicking Greece out of the EU, forcing them to quit using the Euro, and just cutting them lose which would very likely have absolutely disastrous consequences for an already impoverished nation in a lovely situation and even worse consequences for the living, breathing people living there. Greece is basically being force to take the blame for some of the problems Europe is having right now. They're basically begging for help because they have literally no other options.

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JMolen posted:

This isn't the whole story though. Sure Greece was never a financial powerhouse and yes the EU has made mistakes enforcing economic measures during the euro-crisis.
As the country was feeling increased economic pressure it's people elected a new government who made wild impossible promises, spending what little money the country had left at an increased rate, and who refused to cooperate from day one in negotiations.This government didn't just refuse to play ball but would consistently make demands from it's EU partners without any sort of leverage or even goodwill. The "Thessaloniki programme" was seen as a slap in the face to the entire EU, referring to German debt as a "Nazi occupation" didn't help. Resulting in the current bizarre situation in which the country has already defaulted, it's banks have almost run out of money and they're preparing a referendum for a bailout that doesn't exist anymore, as the Greek abandoned negotiations.

At least that's the way the situation is presented here in the Netherlands.

Personally I think both parties are equally to blame. The EU made serious mistakes resulting in the EU-crisis. However the moment Syriza took power any hope of recovery for Greece was lost.

Yeah the whole thing is a gigantic cock up from top to bottom and the country is in an economic shitter. Even so one of the issues that led to Greece being in debt was when the financial crisis hit the banks basically forced the country into massive debt. External banks, mind. Part of the issue they're running into politically now is that literal fascists are becoming more popular because external forces are loving up the country, not helping them fix it, and expecting them to pay down their debts, which they are literally incapable of doing.

It doesn't help when the current Greek government is doing what you're saying and just going "gently caress you we aren't negotiating at all." Granted part of that is because the mess is one Greece never wanted to get into in the first place and the "negotiating" was often "OK we'll help your economy not get worse but we aren't going to help it get better and we expect you to pay this massive debt you have no hope of ever paying." The negotiations, far as I understand, were poisoned from the get go. My understanding was that the current political push for austerity and cutting costs in several wealthier European countries has them pushing for Greece to just cut costs and pay the money back. Which is problematic when the country is already broke.

Yeah promises were made that possibly should not have been but one of the biggest issues is that the Greek people are currently completely and irrevocably hosed. They're pissed off that nobody is helping them and understandably elected people that promised that they would. It looks real bad when Europe was like "hey let's all pull together and work together and solve all our problems together" but then looked at Greece's crisis and just went "lolnope gently caress you."

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Post 9-11 User posted:

It's almost like gangster banks artificially inflated Greece's "debt" many times over just like card sharks do.

Actual fact: the DOW went up 66 points yesterday. 66 points is marginal but the U.S. stock market certainly isn't plunging and it's not because of Greece.

Yeah but it isn't exponentially growing so it isn't growing fast enough. Quick, give the rich more money!

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Iron Crowned posted:

I'm personally not a fan of Hillary, but I still can't parse how the "what difference does it make" remark is damning of her.

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That's the sum of it, really. They couldn't find any good scandals so they had to make one up and that quote just got attached to it.

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Iron Crowned posted:

Oh I know, I don't think I'll ever be able to fully wrap my head around people who get all their information from conservative sources who are just going to cut at paste soundbytes to get the statements they want. But really, in context it's a very appropriate statement:

You're probably overthinking it. It's basically "our team = good, their team = bad."

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These latest Tinsleys to me just read "hey guys I learned a new word today!"

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Fulchrum posted:

I do like how they think the natural response to anyone questioning a conservative is to kill them.

Did you ever wander why they're so obsessed with :derp: :siren: FEMA CAMPS!!!!! :siren: :derp: and the like? It's because if you gave them the power to they'd do exactly that to all the liberals. They just naturally assume that all their opponents would do the same thing.

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Oh wow, that's priceless. "I don't see what the big deal is, some people can have private jets while others can't afford to feed their children. What's the problem?"

Like...that's what I think they're saying. "Oh no people are criticizing the 1% and assume anybody with a lot of wealth is in the 1%!"

Well...no poo poo.

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Captain Bravo posted:

Every time someone says that Tinsley has an editor, I get the mental image of one of those drinking birds with a stamp that says "Approved!" tied to it's head.

I just figured Tisnley found the one person that is even more drunkenly useless than he is.

"Oh I gotsh to deshide what comicsh to put in today already? Wow...gently caress what time ish it? Oh...hmm, Tishley. Yeah thish is a comic he shent me arright...OK print it."

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Vienna Circlejerk posted:

What the gently caress is this poo poo

Whatever Obama is doing is wrong somehow.

That's it.

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Taciturn Tactician posted:

Surely the fact that someone "that dumb" is in that position instead of any number of more qualified people is the ultimate proof of this statement being true, no?

Pretty sure it's just Tinsley going with the "out of touch ivory tower liberal" slant. That and the right thinks that even if the slightest shred of opportunity exists for anybody at all you should not complain ever because BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!!! They also like the fantasy version of America where the 19th century was a time anybody could make it if they wanted to and most certainly not an era of literal slavery, borderline serfdom, and people being forced back to work at gunpoint. Nope. Just opportunity.

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ToxicFrog posted:

Every time I visit the US it kind of freaks me out how many houses have flags hanging on them. Is complaining about houses that don't have flags an actual thing? I have a hard time distinguishing between Kelly exaggerating for comic effect and Kelly making fun of things that actually happen.

I don't think you understand just how many people feel the need to prove their more American than anybody they've ever met. American culture is just this bizarre never ending arms race in every way.

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alnilam posted:

It's still pretty dumb (and expected) that Latuff is obsessed, to the tune of 4+ cartoons now, with how awesome Greece was to stick it to the evil capitalist EU with the "no" vote. Greece is pretty hosed either way and it's a really complicated messed up situation, and here Latuff is like "haha yesss, victory!"

I think Latuff might not be so good with the whole "nuance" thing

The thing with Greece though was that the nation got forced into a lose/lose situation. There just wasn't a victory to be had so why the crap is anybody happy about the situation? The best Greece could really do is go "yeah no we're not going to accept a lovely situation with conditions, just give us the lovely situation, thanks."

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Cabinet posted:

He's right though. Greece voting no is a huge middle finger to the German banks, IMF, et al. Greece may still be in a bad situation, but they're showing they don't want to deal with austerity. That takes some courage.

Probably the biggest thing is this raging hard on for austerity that a lot of people seem to have developed is now obviously pissing people off. Granted the austerity cult is also, well, acting like a cult. Austerity measures just hosed Greece even harder so they said "well you obviously didn't austerity hard enough!" Now Greece is telling them to eat it and take their austerity somewhere else.

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Xanderkish posted:

What even is the Obama Immigration policy? Has Obama did anything noticeably different from past administrations?

Let me run down the problems.

- Whatever Obama is doing it's wrong. Doesn't matter what it is. It's wrong.
- The number of scary brown people in America is greater than zero. This is wrong.
- Non-white people tend to vote Democrat so obviously Obama wants more of them so he can get reelected. This is wrong.
- Obama has a black streak to his record that just taints every thing his does with darkness.

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loquacius posted:

Remember, Ramirez's last cartoon was an attempt to pass the labor force participation rate off as "REAL unemployment" despite the fact that he works for a business newspaper read by people who presumably know what the term actually means. His willful density level is off the charts.

It's more like he just sits down and asks what people are talking about right now and what people reading him believe and just puts the two together. Right wing comics at this point aren't about making points or swaying anybody but looking at their insane base and saying "it's OK for you to believe [thing]."

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ThePeavstenator posted:

The whole "you banned <thing>, so by not banning <other thing> you show implicit approval of it" argument is really disingenuous and I'm tired of seeing it.

It's also idiotic because nobody is actually banning those things. Like if you occasionally want to be a drunken idiot eating deep fried garbage nobody is really stopping you or saying you can't do it ever.

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ThePeavstenator posted:

Trickle-down economics has never been proven to work and in fact did not work when Reagan tried to put it into action. "If we give companies/rich people more money, they'll create jobs and it will benefit everybody!" except for the fact that tons rich people/businesses already make money and generate profits but don't take that money and hire more people. Reaganomics caused a shitload of mergers and acquisitions, not job creation.

It's also been pretty strongly proven that trickle-down economics does, in fact, do exactly the opposite of working. Well for job creation, anyway. It does exactly what it was intended to do and that is make the rich richer.

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Rorus Raz posted:

It's amazing watching the right-wing hivemind go straight for Bill. Like clockwork.

They're my favorite because it's like they're just saying "hey guys in case you forgot we have terrible opinions."

Yes, I'm absolutely certain that covering for a literal child rapist or using date rape drugs to rape women are exactly as bad as a consensual extramarital blowjob. Yyyyup. Exact same level.

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Shugojin posted:

I'm not kidding about the thinking Jews are breaking into his house and rearranging his shoes thing. He actually posted about that on his website. Dees really has serious, serious problems with paranoia.

Dees actually understands how to communicate to the viewer well and also understands logical arguments. He actually makes his points very clearly and you can tell how he arrived at him.

The issue is that his information is...uh...tainted. By the crazy.

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Robotnik Nudes posted:

Does Muir have a day job or does his whole livelihood come form donations made by hosed up weirdos who just can't jerk off hard enough to his poorly traced reactionary pseudo-smut? Because holy poo poo, gently caress Muir but if he's seriously making his whole income just milking Freepy deviants that's amazing and I feel like he should win some kind of medal.

DbD is literally his job. He also refuses donations past the point where he'd lose the EITC because of course he does.

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Xanderkish posted:

I literally froze eating when I saw "boinky-boinky" show up. Henry is following in the footsteps of Muir in having absolutely no idea how children talk, isn't he?

That and it's so bafflingly out of touch with reality. The common assumption of the religious right is that girls will immediately start loving everything at absurdly young ages just because birth control is available so the obvious answer is to ban all birth control so they don't. Pretty sure almost nobody starts doing it at 11. It also shows how much they like slippery slope arguments because as we all know the first time you have sex if you aren't married at the time a pack of cigarettes and a case of cheap beer just kind of...appear wherever you are and you immediately run off to buy cocaine.

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Wait, what? Is that Anatoly? Like...Blowjob Russian is there? Am I reading it right?

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Mr Jaunts posted:

"Ayn Rand was one of the most influential American philosophers of all time"

Yeah, okay.

Her dependency on welfare in her later years is conspicuously absent, I notice as well.

They just handwave that away the same way she did. Since she paid into it all those years she was just wisely getting her money back.

...completely ignoring that that's the way such systems are intended to work.

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there wolf posted:

Because fetuses have the various cuts clearly labeled like in a butchers' diagram? Which PP doesn't want pregnant people to know when considering termination because understanding how an aborted fetus can go towards research instead of being discarded as medical waste is totally going to make people reconsider their abortion. 'When I thought unwanted fetuses all hit the dumpster it was one thing, but now that I know some of them have the option of being used to advance scientific research possibly going on to benefit society in some way, I changed my mind. My baby helps no one and if that means having and raising it to that way, then so be it.'

I think the point is that the right believes forcing women to look at ultrasounds will make them less likely to abort means that there will be fewer abortions which means PP has fewer babies to murder, cut up like pigs, and sell. Because as we all know the only reason PP exists is to ensure that as many abortions as possible are performed. Why they're going to start paying women to get pregnant and have an abortion before you know it.

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the_steve posted:

Honestly surprised he didn't specify that at least one of the brides was a child or household pet.

He's got two weeks to pad out and it looks like he's only in the 12th beer hour of research right now.

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Pththya-lyi posted:

If she were a real geisha, she'd have the privilege of kicking assholes like Zed to the curb. 2/10

If memory serves Geishas were actually explicitly not prostitutes.

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Angepain posted:

cow manure can be used for fertiliser, so that sounds like an excellent business idea, Ms. Weird Racist Caricature Kenyan Lady, I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavours

In places where there isn't much else to burn (i.e., there isn't much wood) cows produce enough poo poo in a day that it can be burned to keep things like cook fires going. Depends on the region but some areas dry cow crap and burn it to cook with. It's really amazing how many uses cow poo poo has.

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Titus Sardonicus posted:

For real, doing a school project was pure drudgery, with really limited resources at the local public library and what meager offerings the school's library provided. A book request from another branch could take weeks to arrive, usually beyond the project's due date. Say what you will about how the internet has made us lazy, socially retarded, or intellectually incurious, it's been a loving boon for research. I don't even want to imagine doing my dissertation without it.

I can't imagine what sort of horror learning to program without the internet would have been. Even in the early days of the interwebs as we know them today there was very little on actual programming. When the internet really blew up and Wikipedia became a think I was like "holy gently caress this is so much better than life in the 80's!"

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StealthArcher posted:

It doesn't even really work either, they're all living to 80 and up?

Well against all odds America still has an average life expectancy of almost 80 so that isn't much of a stretch.

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Zanzibar Ham posted:

The right wing does believe that the IRS takes your money and burns it in ovens.

They also believe that the IRS specifically targets right wing political organizations.

...well actually they do but it has nothing to do with their political views and everything to do with the fact that they have a tendency to just ignore the rules when it suits them.

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Samurai Sanders posted:

There sure has been an outpouring of hatred towards trophy hunting in general. I wonder if it will actually make a dent in its practice and legality?

As long as macho culture exists then no it isn't going to go away. This is especially true when people can find it socially acceptable to just go "lol stupid sissy liberals" and discount it as jealous whining. See, having the head of a dangerous animal on your wall is manly because you killed a dangerous animal! Never mind that you did it with a piece of equipment that the animal doesn't even understand. From a distance. In a place where you paid to have a trophy animal literally handed to you.

Trophy hunting is really idiotic right now because it's basically just rich pricks that want to stoke their own egos paying to have their trophy just handed to them.

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Avenida posted:

I'm amazed at Tinsley's continued inability to understand that he's the rear end in a top hat in this scenario.

You give her $3, let her punch some numbers on a keypad, and give you three pennies. The only reason you would give extra pennies is if you want to feel smug when the cashier is confused at receiving such an unusual amount of money.

Who the hell even buys anything with cash these days?

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