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Chuck, thank you for continuing to post updates. This thread has become my daily stop for news from Venezuela. I hope you guys can restore your country with as little bloodshed possible, but that's looking to be less and less likely. Stay safe.
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I don't think I've seen something uncritical of Chavez/Maduro in mainstream US news since at least 2014, and it was rare even before then.
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May 4, 2017 20:12
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Bob le Moche posted:The thread seems to have no problems with a "white supremacist" red text equating brown protesters assaulting a bunch of MPs to nazis murdering leftists, or with "ghost of mussolini" making jokes about dropping them from helicopters. I guess all you very progressive and concerned pro-intervention folks really will accept all the help you can get against the Maduro regime, huh? Such a good faith and principled opposition. Pro-intervention? Did I miss something?
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Jul 13, 2017 16:23
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kumba posted:This is the only Venezuela-related stuff I see in my social media bubble, and I have no idea how to process or try and respond to it. Emulate Chuck. He's been posting lots of highly informative posts, usually with sources linked. He also has made an amazing effort to honestly and respectfully engage posters who are either uncritical of the regime or highly critical of the opposition's motives. One of the best posters on this forum.
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Aug 3, 2017 18:21
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Fados posted:Back to MUD fragmenting. Not a vene-goon, but the opposition represents some 70% of the country at this point. Painting it as a front for the far-right is ridiculous.
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Aug 12, 2017 20:41
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fnox posted:The government is preparing for protests again, they're restocking on gas grenades, and just had a shipment from China stopped in Iceland. How nice of Iceland to stop that Chinese shipment. I'm sure whoever was moving those gas grenades must have felt quite lost, ending up on the other side of the Atlantic from Venezuela.
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Oct 25, 2017 08:13
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ugh its Troika posted:Do you think that any and all commercial traffic goes directly from point A to point B? whoosh
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Oct 25, 2017 14:53
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qkkl posted:Nothing sinister about a giant expensive hospital ship anchoring a foot from the Venezuelan border and hoisting a football field sized American flag with a big sign that says "Free healthcare and food!" This but unironically.
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Aug 19, 2018 01:14
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Is the Venezuelan military still being paid? I think technically, but the currency is worthless. Half the news reports I've seen in the last couple of months feature stories of national guards involved with the oil industry demanding bribes from the oil tankers they're guarding.
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Jan 23, 2019 02:44
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Lightning Knight posted:This has to be a mistranslation. You must be new here.
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Jan 23, 2019 04:24
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In lighter news, good new thread title. Made me laugh anyway.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:45
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:#NoIAmMaduro
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Jan 24, 2019 02:45
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uninterrupted posted:“proper and legitmate” being US approved? Not being snarky, but if every Venezuelan government body beyond the one currently attempting a coup recognizes the elections as legitimate, that means the National Assembly wants to hand the control and acceptance of new elections to foreign bodies. What’s to stop the creation of a US backed puppet state, wishes and prayers that the US doesn’t interfere? 51% of dictatorial cronies agree Maduro is totally ok, therefore What even is this poo poo?
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Jan 24, 2019 18:15
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government Mike Pompeo, 20 July 2017 posted:So I want to be careful with what I say but suffice to say, we are very hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there, so that we can communicate to our State Department and to others. Holy poo poo guys, they're understanding the dynamic. What can we do to support Maduro against this threat?
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Jan 24, 2019 23:45
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GoluboiOgon posted:end sanctions against venezuela. ideally, the us would ship some food down (because of the dumb trade war with china, we have massive piles of soybeans just sitting in silos waiting for someone to buy them at bargain prices) but that would be even more politically impossible than ending sanctions. This post demonstrates a deep misunderstanding of both the sanctions regime and the PSUV's position on humanitarian aid. What do you think unfreezing Maduro's slush fund will do? Why would Maduro let aid into the country now, after refusing it for so long?
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Jan 25, 2019 20:49
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Homeless Friend posted:Yes it'd be a first. The US could be proud. I'm baffled that you seem to be arguing against intervention in favor of even more massive intervention.
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Feb 1, 2019 02:51
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Squalid posted:This article sounds bad for Maduro. I wouldn't call it particularly great for anyone in Venezuela, but yeah. This is going to be huge for people who aren't already starving or crippled by inflation, i.e. Maduro and the military.
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Feb 1, 2019 18:15
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Your case would be better if Wikipedia said the embargo started earlier than 2018. Price controls have been in effect for years.
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Feb 2, 2019 02:56
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I would think (and I may be being too optimistic) that those in the military with the authority and support to actually pull off a military coup are also high up enough to know that there's no money left and won't be unless the US lifts its sanctions, which won't happen unless real elections happen. It seems like the recent announcement that nobody can do business with PDVSA in dollars has really brought things to a head.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:17
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Munin posted:Trump doesn't give a poo poo about elections and his administration was apparently trying to find officers willing to coup a little while back. Weren't those the guys who were looking for support and the US told them to gently caress off?
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Feb 2, 2019 19:34
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Munin posted:"Told to gently caress off." is putting it strongly. It's more that they deemed him to be a fantasist with no plans or resources and hence not worth supporting. if López or a figurehead for him would make serious overtures I'm sure Trump would be willing to deal. Fair enough. I think "The Trump administration was looking for officers to support a coup" is a bit different than "Officers were lookiing for support for a coup from the Trump Administration" though.
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Feb 2, 2019 19:55
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Presenting Nipples posted:I’m interested to see the US and Guaido’s next move since Maduro called elections forward. My hunch is military invasion. Considering the US and Guaido no longer recognize Maduro's authority to call elections, and that Maduro is only calling for early parliamentary elections (when the opposition already controls the assembly) rather than presidential elections, my hunch is that they'll view it as an attempt to split the moderates from the radicals in the opposition. I'd be surprised if anything comes of it.
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Feb 2, 2019 21:34
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I think "We're looking at the oil assets" sends a different message than "We're looking at the oil assets. That's the single most important income stream to the government of Venezuela." Especially coming from an interview from January 24, before the US hit PDVSA with the purchase ban.
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Feb 4, 2019 19:14
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Some Guy TT posted:I'm referring to the sanctions we just started for the explicit purpose of legitimizing Guaido. Those ones sound really bad. Obviously they did not create the crisis, but again, I'm just an American who doesn't like it when my President tries to starve children. I'm not proposing a five year plan to save Venezuela and as far as I can tell neither is Guaido. Saying Trump is starving Venezuelans may be technically true, but only in the sense that a million degrees K is hotter than a thousand degrees K. They've been starving for years.
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Feb 6, 2019 13:44
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Your house is on fire. Crassus shows up and offers to put the fire out, but only if you'll sell it to him for cheap.
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Feb 7, 2019 01:54
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Kurnugia posted:you know, when you got the other guy over there promising sweet deals on venezuelan state oil company privatization? I don't think privatization means what you think it means. Or are you talking about something other than allowing PDVSA to have less than a 51% stake in joint ventures?
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Feb 7, 2019 21:45
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it is good that you "remain hopeful" that supporting putting Elliot "I Am Confident Whatever Happened At El Mozote Was Just A Series Of Lies Told By The Left To Slander The Opposition" Abrams in a position of power over Venzuelans will not end badly. Presumably, people other than Elliot Abrams have agency with respect to Venezuela's situation. Venezuelans, for instance. EFB, thanks Saladman.
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Feb 12, 2019 22:23
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Ruzihm posted:Trump is stacking our supreme court with his buddies please invade Trump and the Republicans, bad as they have been with all things Supreme Court related, have not yet started threatening or extorting judges to force their resignations.
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Feb 13, 2019 00:11
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:support Maduro for long enough to get the people who think your mass murder is the correct way to win you over out of the equation, then support someone who will get rid of Maduro without that piece of baggage. "Keep starving until the US has a socialist revolution" is certainly a bold plan.
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Feb 13, 2019 02:15
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mllaneza posted:Those aren't "the shelves" all overstocked with the same product. Those are the endcaps, which are special displays. In the US at least, companies pay the store to feature just their products, and often just one product, on this highly visible location in the store.  
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Feb 18, 2019 12:52
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ChaseSP posted:Capital punishment is outlawed in Venezuela. Of course I'm sure that wouldn't stop the PSUV from legalizing it. Who needs capital punishment when SEBIN has tenth story windows?
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Feb 19, 2019 19:29
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Literally last week's news:
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Feb 21, 2019 20:10
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I'm all for letting Citibank take a billion dollar loss on this.
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Feb 21, 2019 20:46
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I hope Blue Nation can stay safe through all this.
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Feb 23, 2019 16:37
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RaySmuckles posted:someone just posted that it had the highest standard of living on the continent and your argument is "well would you, a 1st world westerner want to live there? It would have been nice if they'd linked to a source that actually backed that claim up.
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Feb 23, 2019 18:42
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COMRADES posted:Well the State Department in Jan 2018 was literally bragging about how well their strategy for putting Venezuela into default and economic crisis is working and they're gonna keep at it so yup, pretty much. There's a sentence in there that you left conveniently unbolded in that 2018 quote. It's the one between the two bold sentences. EFB. Even ignoring that, the economic crisis in Venezuela long predates the sanctions. Blame it on the fall in oil prices if you want, but there were plenty of bad signs even before that. dublish fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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Mar 8, 2019 20:12
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That's a suspiciously large Guayana Esequiba.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:52
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Chuck Boone posted:President goodest brain with this take on the electrical crisis in the country manages to outdo even Maduro: Is there a source? That might be the most ridiculous soundbite to come out of this mess since Maduro said the ghost of Chavez spoke to him as a bird.
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Apr 2, 2019 20:24
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Chuck Boone posted:Yeah, it's in this transcript from the White House. I'm disappointed. The tweet made it sound like he was actually blaming the blackouts on electric cars. THE PRESIDENT posted:We will probably be talking at some point. We’re looking at Venezuela. Venezuela right now is a big, fat mess. The electricity is gone. Power is gone. Fuel is gone. Gasoline for cars is gone. They have a lot of electric cars. That’s all gone because they have no elec- — they have nothing. What a job. When we talk about socialism, take a look at Venezuela.
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I'd be really hesitant to say Guaido has little chance of running for or winning a post-Maduro presidency. He's getting international visibility that no other opposition figure ever has, and if Maduro is forced out, it will be in large part because of Guaido's activities. I think he would be a far more popular candidate than politicians who have been muzzled by prison sentences for the past 4 years.
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