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I have no problems with how they're handling this so far: the only problem comes if (like with Bundy before) they don't then arrest him later. But it is a reasonable approach - one that should be followed in all circumstances, not just white nutbars - to contain the situation and try to resolve it without violence. They shoulda cut the power already though. Now, they leave trying to kidnap someone, you've got an imminent threat. But while they're holed up, starve them out instead.
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Hopefully they actually get charged with poo poo and don't just walk. Once shots get fired I don't think there's any way criminal charges aren't happening.
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Epic High Five posted:Dumbasses please tell me there's videos of someone screaming I do not consent or I waive all benefits
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Lycus posted:Was Ritzheimer arrested, or is he still at the refuge? someone has to guard the dildos
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yeah, they will be trying as hard as they can to make him one glad it's one of them though and not one of the people arresting them
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Jan 27, 2016 04:03
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Mr Interweb posted:So these idiots actually got arrested? and charged with a federal felony, they're going away for a long time
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Annointed posted:Watch them get a slap on the wrist one's already dead dude
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Jan 27, 2016 04:07
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so now that most of the leaders have been caught/killed. what will happen to the grunts at the compound. I assume they will try to either run or fortify themselves. bagging the leaders like this is a really great way to deal with them: the leaders are suddenly gone and they now have the fear of actual consequences I'd expect a lot to slink away
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Jan 27, 2016 04:12
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, if charges are already being pressed doesn't that suggest this was all planned and they were ready to make the charges? It sounds like they just took the opportunity of them all leaving the place together so they could isolate the key group from any other guns/hostages. Yeah, I think they planned this to grab the leaders away from everything else safely.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:14
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ozmunkeh posted:I hope the delay was due to the feds getting all their ducks in a row and just before dawn we see a massive raid on the bundy ranch. No. Give them time for people to come to their senses and get out.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:17
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atomicthumbs posted:https://twitter.com/JohnLGC/status/692183097421471744 they're trying to claim he was shot after he surrendered so expect to hear about that for a while, hopefully everything is on video
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Jan 27, 2016 04:19
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Hollismason posted:Wait they've just been letting them drive back and forth from the compound? Yep, but seems like it was a pretty good idea now given how easy it made it to grab the leaders.
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Jan 27, 2016 04:23
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Astrofig posted:They keep saying opsec, the gently caress does that mean? Is that another word for their dumb 'movement' or whatever? It's a way of saying don't put all the information the fbi needs to arrest them easily on the internet well, not again at least
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Jan 27, 2016 05:54
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Id bet money the poster of that won't go die in Oregon. I think he's one of the people there.
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Jan 27, 2016 06:00
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SedanChair posted:Hmm, where are the patriots flooding to the refuge? Where is the massive uprising? they were going to come fight the tyrannical federal government, but then heard on the news that the tyrannical federal government wasn't going to let them and put their rascal back in the garage
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Jan 27, 2016 16:32
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah those people who wanted the fbi to do something about it, throw up roadblocks and tell everyone to get the gently caress out sure look foolish now that the fbi did something, threw up roadblocks and told everyone to get the gently caress out. yeah the idiots armchair quarterbacking the fbi who would have gotten none of the results the fbi got last night were idiots glad we agree
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Jan 27, 2016 18:13
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A Winner is Jew posted:It would easily the best troll that Obama ever did. He wasn't roasting Trump over birth certificate stuff, he was roasting him over how hard it must be to make decisions on his reality TV show. Way better.
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SquadronROE posted:Would there actually be any downside to rolling one of the FBI's Bearcats up to the militants and letting them plink away at it for a few minutes? I'm assuming those things can take rifle fire indefinitely, and if they get shot at they have some more legitimate charges on them. they're not exactly short on things to charge these guys with, why put lives at risk (even a small risk) to add to them?
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Sovereign citizens essentially believe that law is a series of incantations of magical words. Seriously. You say the right words in the right order, endless power is yours, and the government only has power because they have mastered the dark arts of lawyerese. Whatever they want, there's some incantation that will get them that - and it didn't work last time because they didn't say it correctly. What the words are and what the theory behind the words is varies wildly at times but it just all goes back to magical thinking.
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The best sovereign citizen word magic is their belief that birth certificates are actually berth certificates which is what is making you subject to admiralty court.
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Mortanis posted:I've not run into any hardcore admiralty court SovCits. The few I've talked to simply believe that you are born A Person. Stuff like belonging to the US, having a social security number, a driver's license, paying taxes, being under the authority of the cops is all just trappings of an organization you are forced into. A Person is meant to be be free and live and exist, while all the crap of being a citizen is thrust upon them, so they forswear all of the stuff the government foists on them to become their own little sovereign nation. No person is born into a government, they are born a free citizen and then forced into the system. This, then, makes them not subject to the laws (like driving with a license or whatnot) because they're not under the law once they've renounced their US citizenship, viewing themselves as something akin to expatriates or visiting foreigners who can only be compelled if a "crime" (specifically, where there is an injured party which they argue stuff like speeding and not having a license do not) has been committed between their island of citizenship and the US government. this is absolutely magic words folks, i say the appropriate magic words and i am immune to the law
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As a Millennial I posted:I'm not saying their complaints are legitimate. Just that pointing and laughing, or calling for them to be replaced by factory farms, isn't helping their persecution complex. who cares, they're going to have a persecution complex anyway
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A Winner is Jew posted:#1: who the gently caress are the people he wants reinstated? #3 who the gently caress is ppn
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Jan 28, 2016 20:00
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As a Millennial I posted:Pacific Patriots Network, a loose alliance of oath keepers and III%ers. That answers the other thing is been wondering too, why one hundred and eleven percent was a group name. Thanks!
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NathanScottPhillips posted:"Free to go" but they are all going to be charged with a felony. Apparently some of the other people that left have now been charged. There's no way out except by getting a felony or getting shot for the remaining few. They screen everyone who leaves for the people they intend to charge, but not everyone who leaves gets charged. When they arrested those three leaving they let something like 6 or 8 people go home.
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A Winner is Jew posted:96.4% of the people they go after would disagree with you there. That statistic doesn't mean what you think it means. It means, of people charged, that many were convicted - but that just means that when they don't have enough evidence they don't charge in the first place.
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Jan 28, 2016 23:07
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Prester Jane posted:I feel really bad for whatever public defender(s) draw the short straw and have to defend Ryan Bundy and the rest. They are going to be trying to pull all sorts of SovCit BS and a couple might even insist on defending themselves pro se. none of them have been charged with crimes that would come close to life in prison, and while the various crimes they have committed could add up to quite a while if served consecutively, they won't be
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Mr Interweb posted:Oh yes, PLEASE do this, Cliven. by "taking control" he means he is issuing strongly worded letters and instructions to the people left from the comfort of his home
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Smirr posted:Haven't seen this posted / laughed at yet: ahahahaha amazing i can't wait for the infighting to begin
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THEY'RE NOT VERY COURAGEOUS, LIKE YOU GUYS
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UNLESS MY GRIEVANCES ARE HEARD IM NOT COMING OUT
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lol "you know scripture, what happened when paul and cyrus went to prison?" "uh...*crickets*"
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my first amendment rights to not pay taxes 
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"yahwe? who is yahwe?"
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PT6A posted:The name of God in Hebrew, maybe. See also: Jehovah. I know, he clearly doesn't.
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oh my god how is it a good idea to remind him he's going to solitary
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uh...since when did the romans pay for abortions?
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LAVOY STEPPED OUT WITH HIS HANDS UP
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I WILL NOT PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE
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ahahaha now he's defending muslims he's going to be confusing all of his allies so much now
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