We must secure the Presidency for Donald Trump and a future for legal citizens.

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a cop posted:

So what was the point of the press conference? I missed it.

Essentially, Trump called Cruz a lying cocksucker repeatedly for several minutes and said he will definitely sue him over presidential eligibility if he doesn't quit being a lying cocksucker.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2016 23:44

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Random rear end in a top hat posted:

The one thing I don't understand I don't understand about the Trump 'philosophy' is this: do you genuinely think that just deporting people and building a wall will solve the problem of illegal immigration? I mean, I can see those being aspects of a comprehensive plan, but on their own they seem to me insufficient. Deportation isn't ever going to be a deterrent (we already do it a fair amount already), and everyone you deport made it over the border once and presumably could again. As for the wall, I can think of two other massive walls in history, and both are mainly famous for failing to keep people out/in. Are there other facets that I'm missing?

It just seems to me like treating the symptoms rather then the disease. Treating illegal immigrants poorly isn't going to discourage them from coming here - they aren't coming because they expect to be treated well, but because there are a large number of jobs for those willing to work for much less then an American living wage. Shouldn't any solution to the problem necessarily include targeting employers of illegal immigrants? It seems to me like it should but I never hear Trump or his supporters talk about it.

What are your feelings on the subject?

Here is Trump's position on immigration reform. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform Under the subsection "Put American Workers First", which has a bunch of links that I am absolutely not going to take the time to format in bbcode:

quote:

Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled �America�s incredible shrinking middle class�: �If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.�

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans � including immigrants themselves and their children � to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities� rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: �We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.�

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg�s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 07:21

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Ocrassus posted:

I prefer Sanders. Generally because I agree with the studies that suggest more equitable distribution of income (lower gini coefficient), and a larger public services infrastructure can bring greater benefits to a society. Free college is not a great idea, that money should be spent far earlier in a person's education, as that is where attainment gaps really open up. Universal healthcare however is how it should be done.

Also I wouldn't vote for someone who was incapable of articulating specific elements of policy IE: nuclear triad renewal, questions he would ask generals about ME, and who also has a habitual commitment to not quite producing coherent sentences. Just my 2c mind.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 23:03

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Ocrassus posted:

I'd prefer that he was able to articulate these positions in person rather than constantly relying on rhetoric. I have rarely heard him talk about concrete policy positions, numbers, etcetera. more focused on 'stated goals'. Also he doesn't outright favour a more equitable distribution of wealth in society, unlike Sanders.

He holds the opinion that nobody really wants to listen to him drone on about specific policy positions at a rally for an hour, and hell, he's right.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 23:13

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Ocrassus posted:

Articulating the finer points (only some of which I agree with) in person is important to me. Somebody else likely wrote all that up, I want it to come from the man himself. I want a demonstration that he is completely cogent of the complex minutiae that you often have to deal with as president.

Well, you can't please everybody all the time.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2016 23:48

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1488 posted:

assuming you believe in human rights, you can answer that for yourself.

This doesn't work anywhere near as well as you think it does.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2016 21:29

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Aside from a 3.5 hour break around 10, the Dolphin guy has been posting nonstop every hour in this thread since 6:00 AM.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2016 23:45

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Majorian posted:

He has no policy positions, only platitudes and racism.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

# ¿ Feb 24, 2016 20:41

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Brannock posted:

Good lord why does this dumb take keep popping up. I remember you Qat, you're smarter than that.

But yeah! If he just shoved everything in an index fund and sat patiently for decades like a monk, he'd be slightly richer today!

The comically retarded index fund catchphrase is only remotely true if you do the math assuming that Trump started with 200 million in 1970. If you started with 1 million dollars in 1970, like Trump did (we'll even pretend that it wasn't a loan that had to be paid back with interest), then assuming you invested it in the S&P 500 index, that 1 million would be worth about 75 million as of 2013. Tack on the extra 200 million inheritance he got in 1999 and put every cent of that into the S&P 500 and it works out to about half a billion dollars today. Nobody who has said "just invest in index funds" will actually read this post.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2016 20:54

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Talmonis posted:

As annoying as the tumblr crew are, "Toxic Masculinity" is really just an academic term for Dudebros. I loving loathe Dudebros. Frat boy assholes who never grew out of that highschool heiarchy mentality. "Acting like a man" doesn't need to involve treating those you see as weaker or lesser in social status like garbage. It doesn't involve treating women like fucktoys. Acting like a man has nothing to do with loudly and aggressively declaring that you're not gay. Men cry (it's literally not healthy for you not to). Men like Taylor Swift music (See; Dwayne Johnson in Lip Synch Battles). I don't self-flagellate over my love of women. Because sweet Jesus do I love women. I just don't act like I'm entitled to their time, attention or reverence. Real men are gentlemen, not "alpha-beta" poo poo.

Look at this printer carrying motherfucker over here.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2016 21:40

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Talmonis posted:

Why am I unsurprised that the Trumpstaffel is loaded with MRA's?

This doesn't work anymore and there won't be any moderators swooping in to ban the Reddit MRA PUAs.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2016 21:47

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the trump tutelage posted:

All this talk about the dubious merits of a permanent illegal immigrant underclass is interesting and all, but what if - ultimately - it's as simple as not wanting illegal immigrants in the country as a matter of principle?

Here is the most substantive answer either of the comically contrarian leftists posting today will give you:

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Majorian posted:

You greatly overestimate the public's love for Trump. Most of those who are voting for him are doing so for entertainment's sake. If he were elected and then impeached, the mob would be chanting for him to be burned at stake, also as a form of entertainment.

You are an absolutely delusional lunatic.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2016 03:14

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