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Surely we can all agree thatDarkCrawler posted:Lol European or, hell, in fact, DarkCrawler posted:Lol Europe because god drat 
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Tesseraction posted:I'm not sure what's being spoken by the narrator but I'm assuming the diaper man is meant to represent refugees. The video is "arguing" against teaching Swedish in Finnish schools.
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Dec 28, 2016 22:52
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Tesseraction posted:Really they should stop teaching Finnish and admit the language has failed. When the name of your language is basically "bog-gledibook" you have to go back to the ol' drawing board. That your Swedish neighbour kindly lent you. I know it's in the spirit of Europol that I now present some offensive strawman about the English language and, say, your colonial past to defend my moon language, but it's Christmastime 
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Dec 28, 2016 23:00
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Doc Hawkins posted:The "Indian cult" is Jainism, perhaps the least threatening religion possible? Isn't that kind of what Mormonism is though? America is such a special snow-flake that Jesus Christ himself came there beforehand to make it ready for whitey to conquer, and also the Lord's angel Moroni descended to Earth in order to give some Real American Hero (tm) genuine golden tablets to announce a new, Americanized gospel? Which conveniently said black people are God's gift for whitey to enslave, etc.
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Dec 31, 2016 12:40
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Andrast posted:That's not any more dumb than any other branch of christianity No, it isn't, and as Doctor Hawkins pointed out, I was gooning about things beside the point, so never mind!
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Dec 31, 2016 13:26
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Mikl posted:I don't know, guys. I'm feeling pretty good about 2017. It can't be worse than 2016, can it? Why would you say this We just witnessed 2016 Now you jinxed 2017 Europe
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Dec 31, 2016 22:56
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Regarde Aduck posted:Yes it was intricate knowledge of EU corruption and economics that lead the British public to vote leave. Have you seen these deplorable, awful "people" who lack the most basic decency? I say we should yell at them about how awful racist poo poo-bags they are some more and maybe they'll vote for our cause instead! 
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Jan 2, 2017 14:24
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Pluskut Tukker posted:(Quatremer is of course deliberately overoptimistic here, but I share the conclusion that the EU is far from doomed, and far from likely to fall apart. I will also happily predict that nobody is going to leave the euro this year either. This is not purely because I'm an optimist, but also because, as Brexit is showing, leaving the EU is unbelievably complicated, while leaving the euro legally appears to require leaving the EU and adds an ungodly amount of complications to the process as well as an enormous cost. There is no politician who can try and accomplish an exit and still get reelected after the magnitude of the costs become clear, and I think most of them know that). Didn't Schäuble want Greece to gently caress off the euro, but the Greeks said no thank you?
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Jan 2, 2017 14:59
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Indeed. And this is why the euro will survive: if even the Greeks do not want to leave the Euro after 7 years of misery , then who else will? Right, but what I failed to convey was the idea that Jerry is more than happy to jettison swarthy untermenschen out of his currency as soon as they become useless mouths to feed. It isn't entirely straight-forward to say that everyone wants to stay in the euro because otherwise poop will hit the fan when the herrenvolk are already greedily eyeing up the first victims to make an example from.
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Jan 2, 2017 15:19
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Jerry may be ready to do so, but they lack the power to actually accomplish that. In the real world though, Jerry is nevertheless a cosignee on all the loans given to Greece through the ESM,, and as the biggest EU contributor in absolute terms Germany has effectively also paid the largest share of the at least 100 billion euros in structural and cohesion funds that went Greece's way since it joined the EEC in 1981. I am tempted to say that Jerry is also the only guy who can decide to print more of his own currency within the eurozone, but I don't actually know enough about their internal politics to know whether they'd actually do it.
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Jan 2, 2017 15:53
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LemonDrizzle posted:Mario Draghi is not Jerry and has been printing currency within the eurozone for a while now. Good point, though he's made a big hooplaa about it not actually being running the printing presses 
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Jan 2, 2017 16:03
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The "Hun" just reminds me of Motörhead
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Jan 2, 2017 16:18
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Ardennes posted:"Finlandize" 
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Jan 23, 2017 05:10
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Im pretty certain a lot of greek politicians and their friends stole a lot of the money as seen in pretty much every offshore leak related documents.besides implementing austerity to a contry in dire economic need is the same as aplying leeches to a patient sufering from massive blood loss. It isn't about the end results, it's all about the morality tale, you saw him unironically reference grass hopper and the ant, a tale for four-year-olds, as an authority on the previous page.
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Jan 29, 2017 10:36
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Junior G-man posted:I think "responsible public servants in the European Parliament" whose wages they richly deserve for their hard toil. How is the European Project ever to succeed if we do not compensate the representatives in our shared Parliament adequately? You sound like a fascist, IMO
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Mar 2, 2017 17:00
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Oh look, a German making classifications of people 
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Mar 2, 2017 18:51
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Bulbo posted:That's an american classification actually. I know, I've read my Neumann, I just can't resist a jab at Jerry. I apologize 
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Mar 2, 2017 18:55
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I haven't found much in Le Pen's platform about getting more money from the rich. This has no impact on the French election, but an anecdote: The race doctor who is running to be the next head of the Finnish fascist party recently criticized ms. Le Pen and her party for being too left-wing economically to his liking, despite otherwise being a good fascist party ally. At least the idea of her party being economically left-populist seems to be wide-spread in Europe. (The race doctor is a MEP).
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Mar 26, 2017 06:17
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Flowers For Algeria posted:I am resolute in my belief that it will not be the case, and I will not entertain any other possibility because I need not. How about Enema Hitler? He's hip with the kids, yo 
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Mar 30, 2017 09:02
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LemonDrizzle posted:Speaking as a black dude, no they wouldn't. You didn't post a Stalin 
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Apr 29, 2017 20:50
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:That childish poo poo doesn't work as a defense since at least the Nuremberg trials. Reality doesn't really care how you feel about your responsibility, you still have to carry it. You still may end up at the gallows of life, even if you just followed orders or tried to keep your head down or whatever. It's pretty messed up that you are essentially arguing people who do not vote for the austerity zombies are the equivalent of war criminals. The problem on a larger scale is that Europe-wide the left has failed to find a coherent and appealing message. The austerity zombies can keep claiming they're justified in being the sole keepers of power, since their only opposition is literally Hitler. So the austerity zombies keep destroying the lives of people, who go on to vote for the populists who promise more money and less swarthy people. At least in Finland the populists made the mistake of entering government and displaying their worthlessness to the electorate, but that only means the austerity zombies remain in place, trying to implement T-4 programs for the elderly and disabled. (This incidentally seems to be leading to the populists promising even more death to swarthy people, so good luck when they get in power next!) Europe needs an alternative to the austerity zombies, but the only ones willing to "do their responsibility" seem to be the literally Hitlers. That needs to change, since people don't really like what the austerity zombies are doing, and you wind up with the mild-mannered guy/gal in a suit versus a frothing racist over and over. Marine doesn't seem to be winning this time around, but that's essentially just kicking the can down the road to the next election, since I will bet you a pint that the handsome man in a suit isn't going to stop austerity zombieing like it's a Romero movie.
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May 3, 2017 08:05
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:To my knowledge, all European countries have at least one party or movement that represents genuine social-democratic principles (Melenchon/Hamon France's case) and they all run in elections, yet none of them get anywhere close to the overwhelming support you imply. I was actually criticizing the left for not managing more support than the austerity zombies and literally Hitler, though. I also apologize if it offends your Teutonic sensibilities that on a humour forum I used the term "zombies" when referring to people, but I am not sure whether borrowing the term "cockroaches" noted far-left scholar Krugman has used would qualify as a hate crime. I'm not sure why you're evoking Alex Jones level imagery when noted rabid Communist agitators such as professor Piketty have pointed out that the austerians are demonstrably imposing economic harm on "the working people". While it is fine and good to simply blame "the voters", it seems to me that a more beneficial stance on the left would be examining their messaging and indeed their policy suggestions to fix the failing "European project" before the literally Hitlers get themselves elected and do damage. This was your original point of umbrage, that there is a fleeting possibility Marine wins, yes? And it is the duty of Europol to see that does not happen. What I am suggesting is that perhaps if people were presented with options worth voting for over the austerity zombies and the literal Hitlers, there would be less chance of literally Hitler being elected. And that the continued insistence on the part of the austerity zombies that their cause must be right since people didn't vote for literally Hitler still winds up harming real human beings through their austerity T-4 programs. Now, it is of course a valid political opinion that the austerity zombie T-4 programs are more ethical means of disposing of worthless mouths to feed than those of the literal Hitlers, but I am not sure this is an opinion the worthless mouths would share.
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May 3, 2017 09:22
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Truga posted:See, this I can agree with. Why is hate speech allowed, when it's backed by a political party? Why are obviously oligarchic/autocratic political programs just okay in a supposed social democracy? How the everloving gently caress did we come here? Just a historical side-note, hate speech was actually illegal even in Weimar Germany, dudes like Goebbels were repeatedly fined for the poo poo he spewed in Der Angriff, but he (the party, really) just paid the fines and they doubled down. Obvious counter-point is that he got immunity from that once elected into the Reichstag, of course, but still. The budding Nazis weren't stopped by hate speech regulation, just like say our Finnish MEP Jussi Halla-aho has built a political career despite getting fined for racist screeds. I guess you could also double-down and start imposing jail time instead of fines, but this would make martyrs of them in the eyes of the racist voter base, and it's an... Unfortunate precedent, maybe. Hate speech is a caustic social force and helps perpetuate the self-resonance effect of the populists, but I'm not entirely convinced you can just legislate it away. The people who respond to the hate speech obviously perceive some problem in society, that they blame it on the swarthy people is a problem but can't anyone offer alternative solutions to the original problem?
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May 6, 2017 09:12
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I cannot resist the irony: But they lynch black people in America! (Via cop, even)
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May 6, 2017 11:17
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:yea. also 20 more pages until 420 Surely in this thread it's 420 
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May 7, 2017 16:16
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Blut posted:This was tried in Ireland during the recession years. It works fine at first, but by year 3 or 4 departments start to be crippled by a combination of a lack of staff and plummeting morale levels as workloads just appear to be ever increasing, with no respite in sight. Or you can point out how unproductive and useless these departments are, let's just eliminate them/privatize them 
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May 11, 2017 14:16
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Ligur posted:Why sould I go to jail? 
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May 21, 2017 15:29
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And dickwolf is already taken by Dick Wolf 
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May 25, 2017 16:26
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Cat Mattress posted:That's gonna create jobs! I could've sworn it was either here or in the pictures thread that someone posted a diagram for a 10-person guillotine. Industrialization will never stop eliminating jobs, kitty friend
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Jun 2, 2017 15:17
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Libluini posted:I think the idea behind a (hopefully more democratic) USE would be to drop the sovereignty of the constituent states to zero. I mean, if you want a superstate, go all the way or go bust. I realize the Austrian corporal had some kind of bizarre spell over your people, but that was 70 years ago man, let it go
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Jun 25, 2017 07:18
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Torrannor posted:It could be like in the USA. Keep the European Parliament, and make a Senate in which each country has one vote. They have two, actually, in the US version
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Jun 25, 2017 08:20
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Markovnikov posted:I wanted to mention this during some recent EP discussion in the thread, but it seems like the worst assholes and eurosceptics end up as MEP. Farage, Le Pen, and I think that Dutch guy were all MEPs, and the first two had never even held elected office in their own countries beforehand. It just seems like a dumping ground. The current head of the Finnish EU-sceptic party is a sitting MEP, but it remains to be seen whether he stays there or tries to come back to Finland. His dilemma is that he has no job here, so the MEP salary is probably attractive for a father of five.
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Jul 4, 2017 20:47
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Uhm greek crisis initially. Though it applies to a large degree to subprime as well. No one is forcing anyone to buy a house or invest in their business with debt. You'd have to be a complete moron (see for example Cerebral Bore) to think people are forced to borrow. Probably because he is a middle class teenager whose parents owned a house and thus he thinks homeownership is always necessary. This is a part of the gist in Piketty's Capital; the post-war period was a historical aberration where even lower-class European people could actually own something. We are now moving back towards the historical norm where the vast majority of people will live their entire lives hand-to-mouth. You seem to find this a pleasant image of the future, which is a bit baffling, but to each his own I suppose.
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Jul 9, 2017 22:26
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AceOfFlames posted:I won't, and it's my loving hometown. Seriously, I don't understand why the hell Eurovision is a thing now. It always has been a horrendously sad and tacky affair but for some reason it became popular. Must be a hipster thing. 1) It's a safe and funny way of venting the millennial hatred and scorn all European nations feel towards all other European nations 2) They managed to brand it as an event for diversity and giving a voice to people of minority sexualities, the disabled, etc. 3) You have to be drunk for it, but some of the songs are hilarious every year, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not 4) Hipsters.
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Jul 26, 2017 15:42
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Should just re-negotiate Operation Sealion, really.
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Sep 18, 2017 22:22
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Ligur posted:Didn't the politician in question talk about Wehrmacht instead of the SS and Hitler-Satan? The Wehrmacht were complicit in the actions of the Einsatzgruppen (although to be fair some officers complained to their higher-ups that all this killing civilians business was bad for morale), and committed war crimes by their merry selves as well. This is a really dumb, wrong pedantic argument to try and make.
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Sep 26, 2017 19:37
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Kassad posted:Wasn't the official line in East Germany literally that people there did nothing wrong during the war? As opposed to the actual acknowledgement by West Germany that the German people had indeed hosed up? Communists had an... Interesting take on the Holocaust and German aggression. quote:According to Fox, within the framework of orthodox Marxist thinking, oppression based on ethnicity, race, gender or religion was typical only for capitalist society and generally held the status of a ‘secondary’ phenomenon in comparison to class oppression. Anti-Semitism, for example, was viewed as a distraction created by the ruling class to divert the attention of people from their true oppressors. The Holocaust was a consequence of racist fascism (directed not only at Jews, but also at Slavs), which was, in turn, the ultimate expression of capitalism and imperialism. Thus, the roots of the Holocaust, according to Soviet ideologists, lay in capitalism, expressed in its most degenerate form – fascism. According to Marxist ideology, by changing the economic and political system from capitalist to socialist, citizens could free themselves from such matters as anti-Semitism and racism (Fox, 2004: 420)
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Sep 27, 2017 13:12
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Cingulate posted:This has to be put in a context of German and US mainstream media to the left of Fox rather consistently explicitly damning the far right. Even those center-right media concerned about immigrants etc will talk about the far right in a similar language of concern, and will enter very few of the language games of the right (Lügenpresse!). You can say the media isn't doing enough, but their stance on the far right is at its most basic characterized as resolved opposition. Which is fair enough, Finnish media is also very critical of our racist party, but that still fuels the problem: Anyone who is pre-disposed to thinking "gently caress the system" or "I don't like them foreigners" sees this critique and thinks "well if them durn media elites don't like 'em, I guess I do!" and you have another potential vote for the racist party. I have no solution to offer here, but this seems to be the pattern.
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Sep 28, 2017 16:10
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Tesseraction posted:They keep saying that Finnish education is some of the best in the world but when they appear in this thread I really start to have my doubts about the claims.  Can't we just agree that libertarians of any nationality are morons without bringing Finno-mongoloidism into it?
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Cingulate posted:Either way, I think if you put things in proportion, the media is still just as united in a rejection of the far right as they used to be (i.e., not perfectly, but largely). Like I tried to say yesterday, that still has negative consequences. In terms of the EU, even if the media in, say, Finland (with whose media I am most familiar) keeps writing EU-positive editorials and castigating EU-critics as racist dullards, people critical of the EU (for whatever reason!) seeing that will note that politician So-and-So is against the EU too, a) maybe EU-critical thoughts aren't so rare after all 2) I might just vote for this bad boy/girl! Or, in another example, several leaders of our racist party have been convicted of racist hate speech or are under investigation for it, and our media tends to put that information in many articles that discuss said leaders. The comment field, if there is one, is invariably filled by racist party supporters crying about "political convictions" and how our society is corrupt and things have to change. So they'll just keep on voting for the racist party, despite explicitly being told that it's the racist party. And this self-victimization about the perceived injustices of the justice system also feeds into the general message that "things gotta change, gotta vote for an alternative"; so long as the main stream parties keep austering away with gay abandon, you'll have more and more people susceptible to a message that the system is against them. I don't think you have to be a Nazi rocket scientist to realize the inevitable outcome of this, despite the media dutifully condemning the racists. Like I said, I don't have a solution to this Ouroboros of racism, it's simply an observation. It's fine if you want to insist that the media is behaving in a responsible way, but the larger point is that it doesn't diminish the support for racist parties so long as the austerity gently caress-show keeps happening.
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