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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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DemeaninDemon posted:

They're hatred's pretty periodic too.

And it's an election year entering the final stretch, so their hatred is escalating and will only get worse in the months ahead.

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Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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sweart gliwere posted:

Since this thread is in the post-Malheur era (and since I skipped most of the old thread anyway), what was the general freep response and discussion like about the Bundy clan's awkward public insurr-edging session?

Cheerleading, conspiracy theories when it became evident what a fiasco it was (false flag!), and eventually "Malheur? What Malheur? God-fearing American patriots would never do this bad, poorly managed thing you describe. Must have been some excitable loonies with no connection to right-wing ideology."

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Joshmo posted:

I'm flabbergasted that one Freeper actually still seems like a human.

Freepers can be oddly human in threads that don't get posted here. There's threads with Freepers talking about their cats and posting pictures of their dog and hating on the Yankees for non-political reasons, stuff anyone can get behind.

They're still miserable, hateful old people who want to burn this country to the ground because it's not Leave It To Beaver, but they are human.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Geostomp posted:

Still amazes me that they can spew such venom about everyone under the Sun, then go right to seemingly human old people stuff. How exactly do you hide being such a miserable piece of human trash and go back to talking about typical old people stuff.

A lot of them don't hide it, and I say this as someone who's close with a grandfather who might very well be a Freeper - he mentions at family gatherings that he's active in online message boards talking about politics, and he's very old and very right-wing. My grandfather is a generally nice old guy who likes to fish and loves his dog and loves college football, but bring up certain subjects and he'll launch into a passionate hour-long tirade about why can't American society be like he thought it was in the 40s and 50s when he was a young man, and my parent from that side of the family has warned my sister and I that if we ever want to bring someone of the same sex or who isn't white to a family get-together, they'll need to head up a day or two early to try to smooth things over with grandpa (and to a lesser extent, grandma).

Honestly, I figure it's an effect not unlike if your only exposure to goons was D&D. Freepers still tend strongly towards being hateful old racists, but they are still people at the end of the day and even hateful old racists tend to like their golden retriever and hate the Yankees.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Geostomp posted:

I have an African middle and last name with a silent letter and learned to just give up on anyone pronouncing or spelling it right without practice so this conversation is familiar to me.

I have a Gaelic-looking last name, and amen. It sounds like a very normal last name, it's just spelled very weirdly.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Jay Rust posted:

Yes, but taqiya

Yep. That and/or it was a false flag to provide the justification for putting Christians in death camps.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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The Sin of Onan posted:

Playboy: a bastion of freedom and democratic values, brought low by the scourge of creeping Ilsam.

The ironic thing is, porn aside Playboy historically has been a distinctly progressive publication for anyone who actually reads the articles. They stopped with the porn because they realized this is the internet era, they simply can't compete with the internet's limitless supply of free porn.

Free market, Freep.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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xthetenth posted:

I know of at least one novel series that got going because playboy published its first few chapters.

And more than a few serious political scientists and thinkers got started with Playboy when they couldn't get publication in more traditional journals.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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McGlockenshire posted:

Despite voting almost straight Democrat my entire life, I avoided registering as one. This is the first year I've ever registered so I could vote in the primary.

Same. I've voted nothing but Democrat, but I was a registered Republican from my dumb college libertarian phase until I registered Democrat for the primaries this year.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Wonder what will happen to Freep now, without their head strongman who extorted all of them to line his own bank account while saying it's just to keep the server running.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Jay Rust posted:

Hm? Are you thinking of Jim Robinson?

Oh, got one hateful old gently caress confused for another.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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The Rokstar posted:

I know panic is the default emotion for anything election-related, but you should try to relax. Pence may have won the debate last night but it's not going to matter much if at all. Come Sunday night nobody will even remember this debate.

Consensus seems to be Pence won the debate, but won it in a way that damaged the overall Republican campaign by feeding Clinton lots of attack material and pissing off Trump himself. Tactical victory but a strategic defeat for Pence.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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McGlockenshire posted:

It's currently accepted truth that Bill Clinton is an adulterous, lecherous creep. Despite this, or maybe even because of it, he's well loved and well remembered. If he was running for office today, he'd get utterly destroyed by it, of course, but it's still a thing that somehow managed to not hurt him a lot back when he was President.

I think the critical difference between Bill and Trump in this case is that Bill's affairs were consensual and people in the 90s accepted him as a handsome, charismatic dude. Yeah it wasn't good that he had affairs, but Bill is remembered as a suave, charming guy who you could kind of understand having affairs with.

Contrast the obese orange narcissism elemental who brags about sexually assaulting women and how hot his daughter is.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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No female priests? Lutherans (ELCA, at least), Methodists, Presbyterians, and Anglicans all say hi.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Radish posted:

Brother against brother, father against son armed toddler in the back seat.

At least one will probably die to their dog stepping on a trigger.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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I don't want to read this thread anymore. :(

What the gently caress is wrong with you, America?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Fargo Fukes posted:

It's also expected that Trump will devolve a lot of power on social issues to the states or lower, to cities or local authorities. If every deep-red county across the breadth of the USA gets to define things like hate crimes, religious freedom and marriage laws on their own terms then there's going to be more than one place where beating gay people to death in the street doesn't even warrant a day in court.

This is what scares me more than Trump, per se. Trump is going to get us into a shooting war and will badger the military about using nuclear weapons. I've come to terms with that and pray to God saner heads in the military prevail. But Trump does not give a poo poo about anything that does not affect him personally, and he is going to give the GOP - including most significantly Mike Pence - free reign to do whatever they drat well please, and that does terrify me. LGBT people, African-Americans, Muslims (and anyone who "looks" Muslim), and women are all in very serious risk of getting assaulted, murdered, and other fun things over the next four to eight years and the government is not going to do a drat thing about it - particularly in already conservative parts of the country.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Prism posted:

Given his comments amount to 'Why aren't you making fun of Hillary anymore? :cry:' he really doesn't get it.

Well, Donald, you won. You're more important than she is now. People talk more about you than her. Isn't that what you wanted?

Trump really doesn't seem to have gotten that to be president of the USA is to be the subject of nonstop ridicule and harassment.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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SocketWrench posted:

Ok, I'm tired of hearing this poo poo today. How, exactly, do democrats prevent anyone from education? Last I checked it was Republicans screaming about cutting education spending so they could build another tank for the army

That the army doesn't loving want because in the modern age of warfare tanks are specialized tools only needed in rare, specific situations, but good luck telling the GOP's donors that.

See also: F-35, LCS.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Technical Analysis posted:

I think it more comes down to jobs. The army has a ridiculous surplus of vehicles that will likely never see any action, much less ever be used even in training exercises, because those factories putting stuff together for those tanks are in someone's district, and they're going to fight to keep that factory alive.

The Army doesn't really put in an order for the tanks they need so much as congress just loving blows their load on military hardware that keeps jobs in their districts. You wouldn't want to be up for election after you cancelled the order for another 20 tanks for the Army when the factory that produces the engines, or the armor, or the electronics systems or any number of parts for the machine are in your district. So to keep your bid for re-election viable, you're going to gently caress the military and the taxpayers by ordering a bunch of poo poo the former doesn't need on the latter's dime. Thanks Military Industrial Complex. Eisenhower loving called it.

As for the F-35 and LCS, the military procurement industry in the US is beyond hosed up. The military doesn't need them, but they're getting them anyway because at the beginning of the procurement process both projects did specify something the military believed they needed (though the Marine version of the 35 is inexcusable). And there was never the political willpower to stop either project when it became clear what a boondoggle they had become.

The US military doesn't need the F-35, or the LCS, or more tanks, or more aircraft carriers, or more stealth bombers. But the military has never persuaded Congress of that fact.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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SocketWrench posted:

^ Well, the idea behind the F-35 is to build a cheaper, more advanced with room for more advancement replacement for the aging craft we use now that's approaching the end of its life span.

The sales pitch to the military for the F-35 was a new version of the F-16: a smaller, cheaper stablemate to the F-15/F-22 versatile for a variety of missions, able to be launched off small airfields, and sold to allies around the world.

That is not what the military has gotten, and there was never a point where seriously opposing the F-35 (or the LCS, or more tanks, or more aircraft carriers, or more stealth bombers) wasn't political suicide, for congressmen or career military staff.

We as a country are so disconnected from our military and its needs and problems that it's difficult to credit at times. I think that mentality is also why US foreign policy has become so belligerent: we love our troops and love being the number one military power in the world, but we do not give a flying gently caress about what people in the military want because we try very hard to not think of the military as being made of people.

Back on topic, just look at Freep's love-hate relationship with the military. Billions for killing Muslims over in the desert somewhere, not one cent for taking care of our soldiers.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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SocketWrench posted:

Hell, it could be another 9/11 in a year and the most you'd get out of them is "It was Obama's fault".

Yep. The GOP and its hardcore base are never going to say "Yeah, this was our fault." At the very, very most - which I think is incredibly unlikely - Trump will be disavowed as a RINO.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Covok posted:

Judging by this map, Calirfonia and New York could become their own nation and probably make more money by doing so.

If California became its own independent nation tomorrow and kept the same GDP, it would be the third or fourth wealthiest nation on Earth.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Ambitious Spider posted:

yes, jailing exploited children is a fantastic idea.

This is one of those times freep has really got to me.

Welcome to the Just World belief system.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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MANime in the sheets posted:

That's a new one.

Ob[insert something insulting here] is the generic Obama insult generator for the right wing.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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BarbarianElephant posted:

How'd they get in? AFAIK unless you have unique skills or family in the USA, your only hope is to win the diversity lottery (only 50,000 people a year.)

Political refugee status for immigrant friends of my family who did well for themselves. They were fleeing some coup or civil war or another in South America about twenty years ago.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Fathis Munk posted:

Seriously?

I wouldn't have expected you guys to be hurtling towards an authoritarian dystopia quite this fast.

We were closer to the brink than I think most non-Americans realized to begin with, and Trump is, well, an authoritarian strongman voted into power during a time of economic crisis, social instability, and uncertain geopolitics. Like that's never ended horribly for half the world before.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Slashrat posted:

Any satire of right-wing extremist beliefs will inevitably be adopted by right-wing extremists as the most accurate and succinct expression of their beliefs.

It's also not the first time right-wingers have publicly posted this particular screenshot with complete sincerity.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Scary part is, I hope Trump doesn't get impeached. President Mike Pence scares me a heck of a lot more than President Trump.

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Nov 8, 2009

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MANime in the sheets posted:

oh ffs. DON'T BE NICE TO THEM IT'S CATCHIN'

Also, transmen (I think that's the term? Born biologically female, transition to a male identity) don't exist to the right wing. And all transwomen are hideous perverts who only say they're women so they can go inside women's bathrooms and rape women and little girls, in the right-wing mythology.

Why yes, there have been many cases of cis women getting screamed at and assaulted for using the women's bathroom because someone thought they didn't look sufficiently feminine.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Keeshhound posted:

How quickly Flint fades from memory.

Freep cheered the crisis in Flint, because it was mostly black people getting hurt by it. Surely daddy GOP wouldn't let such a thing happen to right-thinking white people, would he?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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7c Nickel posted:

No, you're right. The numbers for homosexuality have been pretty much static for as long as we've been tracking these kinds of things. Even if they were in a sham marriage, they would still privately self report as gay since they could never form romantic attachments to the opposite sex. Tons of people who COULD pass for straight/cis just kept their heads down to avoid the societal repercussions. It's those categories that are growing as people don't feel the need to hide that yeah I guess I'd have sex with Liam Neeson.

Also more and more people, especially younger people, are becoming comfortable with the idea that they're not 100% straight. Sure, maybe it's only one guy in a thousand they're attracted to and they prefer to date women, but increasingly there's no shame in saying you're not gay but you're not entirely straight either, or that you're straight with occasional exceptions.

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Nov 8, 2009

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Pearl Harbor was really what kicked America into the war. Before that the American public wanted to maintain the isolationism that had been typical for America for a while. It was viewed as Their Problem rather than ours. The fight just wasn't really happening in the Americas and like, who cares of Germany conquers Europe and Africa and Japan takes Asia? That's not here so it isn't our problem. American leadership of course realized that the aggression wouldn't stop until it was stopped. America was going to end up involved in the war whether we liked it or not. The lend/lease stuff was where it started. It was pretty easy to spin, really; hey folks we're just sending some stuff to nations we like and hey you're getting paid to make it so it's cool, you know? Americans aren't fighting and Americans aren't dying so whatever. Meanwhile they were increasing military spending and buffing military strength as much as was politically viable.

Germany declaring war on America was basically a formality at that point. Everybody knew America was going to get involved eventually in some way or another. Japan attacking Pearl Harbor was really what kicked it off. Suddenly opinion shifted; the war came to us and god drat it we're America! You don't mess with America. Die hard isolationists and anti-war types were obviously still against it but overall public opinion shifted basically overnight.

Well, the US military was also unofficially fighting Germany for years before Pearl Harbor in the North Atlantic. FDR and the military leadership knew perfectly well open war was coming and weren't shy about doing everything short of declaring war themselves.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Keeshhound posted:

It is genuinely comforting to know that the ancient and modern peoples find humor in the same stupid things. Sort of reinforces the whole concept of a shared humanity.

There are "Yeah but I hosed your mom" jokes recorded in Roman graffiti in Pompeii.

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Nov 8, 2009

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SocketWrench posted:

But he EARNED those.....by being one of those boomer parasites that ruined everything for everyone

Or he's one of those "I get my insurance from the ACA, not Obamacare!" types.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Twelve by Pies posted:

Yeah, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are two of the Christian denominations that practically every Protestant deems to be a non-Christian cult (Catholicism is only considered a cult by the hardcore fundies). I can't imagine any Freepers being upset about Russia banning it, I figured they'd be completely united in saying it's good.

Theologically speaking, most Christians (Protestants of all but the most fundie stripes, Catholics, and Orthodox) don't consider Mormons to be Christians because Mormonism takes some very significant theological departures from the Bible and changes things even your typical Southern Baptist and Orthodox monk would be in complete agreement on as key and fundamental parts of the Bible and of Christianity. Most Christians consider Mormonism a splinter religion, not a sect of Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses are in more of a grey area, theologically, sitting in company with groups like Seventh Day Adventists.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Anubis posted:

That's only because those same Protestants don't actually know JW's theology, when they do most throw them out with the Mormons. Mormons are just a bit more recognized by their differences, where Witnesses try and hold it back until they thing they got the conversion. Specifically, the teaching that Jesus is not God but that he is the archangel Michael sent from God. I realize to non-believers that might be just a silly side note but in the theological battles, that poo poo's a whole huge thing.

Huh, I genuinely didn't know that. Yeah, that puts JWs emphatically in the "Don't put them in the same basket as Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox" bin.

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Nov 8, 2009

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Jagged Jim posted:

Oh... wow...

:wtc:

Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, or some other seriously out there not-really-Christian-at-all splinter sect, I'm guessing?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

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Pontius Pilate posted:

It's been a thing since Clancy days at least but the conservative simultaneous worship and dread of The EMP still brings a smile to my face.

Even Clancy avoided anything to do with EMP, and he once alluded to why in an interview. Any sort of post-apocalyptic story or story where any WMDs seriously gets used in a military context just wasn't the kind of story he was interested in writing.

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Cythereal
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MANime in the sheets posted:

If anything, the string of strong-arm dictatorships over the whole region kept a lid on it for centuries, or at least kept it under the radar.

Eh. This does overlook that the Middle East did periodically get hosed up badly by outside invaders, like the Crusades and the Mongols. It was generally more internally stable than Europe at the time, sure, but that's in large part because the region was generally consolidated under the rule of much fewer nations who had less to fight over.

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