HookedOnChthonics posted:

Yeah unless you think any decision to vote for her is saying she's flawless full-stop I do not think there is a single person saying that? Laughably preferable to any available alternative != flawless by any means.

Tashan Dorrsett posted:

Pat Caddell, Jimmy Carter's pollster in 1980, said today that "the Carter campaign knew the weekend before that Reagan was going to win in a landslide. Same thing now, except that Reagan won 39 states in 1980. Trump is going to carry at least 40."

HookedOnChthonics posted:

Cingulate, posters telling you that looking in from outside as a eurokid circa 2003 your grasp of the US media environment and internal political pressures is not in fact an unimpeachable reflection of soberly-derived consideration that any US pol could have been reasonably held to, is not unconditional criticism, or an attack. It is a very specific explanation of why you were wrong on that count.

Tashan Dorrsett posted:

You know that instantly associating Trump supporters with nazi-ism is the exact same thought process that makes white supremacists associate blacks with violent crime, except at least one of them has a basis in factual data?

White supremacists are horrible, but even their views have more merit than the disgusting hate you spread.

Tashan Dorrsett posted:

This isn't a party line election

Tom Guycot posted:

Will Trump shock the world and actually give a concession speech?

Antti posted:

The post-mortem on the polling is going to be absolutely fascinating.

Tom Guycot posted:

Is it possible to do a Trump performance thats not an outright parody?

Queering Wheel posted:

He just wants clicks. Trump is not going to win. It doesn't matter that Clinton's underperforming Obama when she's only underperforming him by fractions of a percent in most of those. She's still winning by multiple percentage points. The only thing to arzy over is the Senate, and even there I'm confident that dems will get at least 50 seats + Kaine tiebreaker.

Gort posted:

So say we did have irrefutable proof that Trump is controlled by Russia, and everyone in the country knew about it.

What would be his share of the vote? 33%? 32?

KiteAuraan posted:

Is it the fate of all old people to get hateful as gently caress as they get older? I swear my grandpa wasn't always so bigoted towards Muslims, black people, immigrants and people speaking a non-English language in public. But over the past year he has gotten really pissy about it and really openly hateful. It seemed to start getting worse with Obama, wherein he called him a "porch monkey" in front of of my Dominican Aunt and has just gotten worse, peaking this year. Part of it seems to be a slide into dementia and the anger that comes with that, but part of it also just seems to be building hate. I also hear my grandma saying all sorts of snide poo poo about Mexicans and Hispanics in general (she was born in Panama, to a Panamanian mother) and also "immigrants" speaking "some Arabic" in public. gently caress even my mom is going on about BLM and poo poo.

None of these people were ever progressive, but goddamn it is getting worse each year. I sometimes wonder if I should just set an age where I Logan's Run my rear end to avoid it, if that's the fate of The Old.

Radish posted:

The response in the media to any Republican saying literally anything about women's, minority, etc issues until they die is "did you vote for Trump?"

Antti posted:

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/793435312449990656

RYAN: "Yes, that was in 2012 obviously, I voted for elder statesman Mitt Romney."

Agrajag posted:

Also targeting Huma for criticism because of Weiner being a creepy pedo is pretty low.

kaleedity posted:

I wonder if the repubs would be calling bernard sanders out for his honeymooning in the soviet union alongside trump sucking putin's dick

mcmagic posted:

I'm obsessed with it because it's the reason why a racist sociopath fool like Trump is within the margin of error a week before the election

Dexo posted:

It's great that you know what's best for them.

WampaLord posted:

"I, mcmagic, know better than literally millions of people.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Name a person of color or woman you would prefer over Hillary and why

Antti posted:

Look, Inanimate Carbon Rod has a really solid record on the economy and it's never sexually assaulted anyone.


A person who hates a job isn't going to be very good at it.

FactsAreUseless posted:

I like Obama, but her defining issue in the White House will be presented as an attack on personal freedoms and typical Democrat nanny-stating, and the blowback against anti-obesity efforts like soda taxation has been strong. Also she'd be attacked for her lack of experience, and the usual "her husband would make all the real choices" criticism, with the added difficulty that she doesn't have Clinton's history of working on her own to hit back with. Combine that with the fact that a black woman can't even frown on the national stage, let alone raise her voice, and I'm not saying it's impossible but she'd have a really tough fight.

Antti posted:

I didn't mean to go off or anything, I get that she's cool and people love her (I do!) and sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone's being genuine or not.

The fact that she'd probably be a terrible politician is why people like her so much.

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

my least favorite thing about the michelle obama fantasy run is that she's made it abundantly clear that she hates DC and can't wait to leave but people just skip over this because we need to deny her agency to satisfy our electoral fantasies

greatn posted:

I'm glad vp seems to be transitioning from "future nominee" to more of a caretaker role.

Non Serviam posted:

Before the other thread got closed, somebody suggested I was a troll for saying Obama is a war criminal. Well, the use of unmanned drones against civilian populations does qualify as that.
The murder of Al Awlaki, and that of his son, murdered without due process, despite being American citizens, was also a criminal act.

It's ok if you want to say Romney would have been worse, or that Trump shouldn't be president (and he really shouldn't) but don't whitewash the terrorist foreign policy of the US just because your guy was in charge when it happened. These are the same kinds of things people berated Bush for.

And all of this without mentioning the fact that the Obama administration has been the one that has gone against the most whistle blowers.

Dr.Smasher posted:

Christ mcmagic... go post on /pol/ or something.

WampaLord posted:

Sorry, it's been going on for months and we've finally hit our breaking point. I admit it seems insane if this is the first mcmagic derail you've seen, but there have been literally dozens.

socialsecurity posted:

We have dozens of times he just ignores it and posts the same stuff again, this has been going on for months.

Ze Pollack posted:

As far as 45-48% of Americans are concerned, Hillary Clinton is less deserving of the presidency of the united states than a failed businessman, serial sexual assaulter, and inveterate racist with an attention span no longer than five seconds.

Of the list of options presented, she is the least unpalatable.

Do not confuse this with popularity.

Phone posted:

Because we've done "mcmagic, I disagree - I think you're overstating Clinton's unfavourabilities and underestimating her strengths. For example, ..." for almost a year now with this loving clown.

Like seriously, go look at previous USPol threads and read mcmagic's posts; they're all some variant of "I don't like Clinton". There's a breaking point and mcmagic used up all of his good will about 4 or 5 months ago.

mcmagic posted:

So your argument is that Trump is a better general election candidate than John Kasich or Marco Rubio? I guess you could just be a moron.

socialsecurity posted:

Nobody gets hurt from us posting about mcmagic posting stuff. Just ignore it if you don't like it. Can't become a derail if you don't reply.

Non Serviam posted:

Bernie would have been terrible.

And HRC has dealt with poo poo no other candidate would have had to, because she has done some pretty uniquely bad, corrupt, and incompetent things.

computer parts posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EGranwN_uk

Radish posted:

If Hillary Clinton was the mafioso crime lord she's accused of a whole poo poo load more people would be dead. The New York Times alone would be a graveyard.

El Disco posted:

The Russian guy who runs the wikileaks twitter account is a literal anti-semite. Don't know if Assange personally hates Jew's

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Yeah, any other evidence of anti semitism other than the anti-semitism

computer parts posted:

http://forward.com/news/national/347546/why-does-wikileaks-have-a-reputation-for-anti-semitism/

FactsAreUseless posted:

Good plan. Russian dissenters should have no means to contact anyone, such as human rights organizations. That way they can't threaten Superman's Pal Vladdy Putin.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

It could also, like Sam Wang has argued, be a sign of a relatively stable election. IF the swings are all still strongly correlated to a medium it may just be statistical noise obfuscating an obvious outcome

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Not sure about the exact statistical terminology but if you look at the frequent swings between Clinton and Trump since June you will see that throughout the whole thing the median has been more or less stable.

Like, look at this chart



If you notice the bumps for Clinton and Trump more or less have a median consistent with where the election was months ago.

spacetoaster posted:

So you actually think Hillary has energized everyone to go vote?

Here's one Trump rally in Florida:



Here's Hillary's rally:



I don't think anyone is super excited to get out and vote for Hillary. At least not anything like we saw for Obama in either of his presidential elections.

Tir McDohl posted:

This election has really turned me into a hardline partisan. At this point it is clear that I cannot get along with the kind of psychopath who would vote for Trump. Kinda scary that around 40% of the electorate might as well be aliens to me now. I don't even want to engage in discussion with them. Scorched earth. I'd be pruning my Facebook heavily if I had not quit it years ago because of the conservative bully pulpit there.

Anyone else feeling the same way?

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Hillary's website has a super-quick quiz that guides you through the various options and helps you choose:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/volunteer-quiz-start/

E: This should probably be in the OP or something.

Radish posted:

Is this freakout over that one NC poll? For that to be indicative of a national trend it requires pretty much everyone in this country to go "welp Trump is alright I guess" combined with Democrats suddenly caring about emails. Even then NC isn't required. I'm guessing more and more embarrassed Republicans are coming home to daddy Trump instead of being principled and voting third party or abstaining but that still isn't enough.

The FBI seemingly going all in on Trump support regardless of effect is a lot more creepy especially if after the election everyone treats it like it was cute.

Crow Jane posted:

1. He won't be

2. How would that work, exactly? Would it be for NC transplants living in New York but not registered there? Why would people too unmotivated to request an absentee ballot want to endure a ten hour bus ride?

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Calm

Down

Jesus

Christ

Covok posted:

Suffer from anxiety problems and I'm latino: can you blame me for losing it when thinks look good for Trump?

theflyingorc posted:

Momentum isn't a thing

wilderthanmild posted:

Where is this from?

RZA Encryption posted:

https://twitter.com/MillerForTexas/status/793568950407733248
"The campaign was retweeting information on Twitter today and inadvertently retweeted a tweet that they were not aware contained a derogatory"

Lots of replies like this: https://twitter.com/keir_lamont/status/793569488893542404
"Well, it clearly wasn't a retweet and your office has already called it a hack... Blaming it on an intern next?"

computer parts posted:

straight up brolic posted:

538 has you all hosed up. Remember when it was 50-50? Nate Silver is very good at synthesizing polls, but is terrible at distilling them into a probability.

chumbler posted:

12% is still too high for comfort.