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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Irony Be My Shield posted:

Under 18-24 year olds are polling like 70% Labour, and the next age group is also pretty heavily Labour. This thread is about what you'd expect, the only age group with a lot of Tories is 65+ and they don't post on the internet that much.

Introduce internet only voting.

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Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Five points is a very interesting number, if you go by national swing along anything less than 6 points hangs parliament.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Namtab posted:

Please bear in mind before becoming hopeful that old people may very well have postally voted weeks ago

This is very true and a good point.

However back on the hopeful front postal votes dropped during the first big Labour surge. One of the things that did for Remain was that leave was in the ascendancy during postal voting.

Still though, it's important to keep our hope balanced.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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jBrereton posted:

Does that calculation include SF not turning up?

I have no idea I'm afraid, It was Mike Smithson's not mine. Probably is my instinct given how knowledgeable he is.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Jippa posted:

I'm glad that you guys watched the debate last night so I didn't have to. Interestingly the guardian is way more positive on corbyn and down on may, they don't seem to think the nuke thing was a big deal.

The BBC coverage and commentator's round-ups are both fine too. I wonder if we've all just been triggered by fuds.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Tesseraction posted:

They are either going to have an egg-coated turd on their face come Friday or be the smuggest motherfuckers in the room.

A million times this. There are big reputations on the line.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Daveman23 posted:

The postal votes that are in at the moment show the Tories with an 11% lead.

That is very encouraging if it is the case. Who polled it?

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Halisnacks posted:

Could a sufficiently weak Conservative majority, either reduced or only marginally bigger than pre-election, be enough for May's resignation? Or would she need to lose the majority entirely before her stepping down becomes plausible?

Less than Cameron means the knives will be out imo.

Edit: Even a minor increase from Cameron would be problematic for her.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Daveman23 posted:

One of the election programme staff.

Postal votes are opened in sessions for verification, party staff/reps and observers can tally the votes as they go through that.

If it just tallies then this data is fluff. You can predict a constituency on that if it's done really well across a few polling districts. It just isn't happening for the whole country. In my day we only sent one person to this as it was harder to see on the postal style ballot anyway.

Cerv posted:

Got toopen the postal votes early to get started in rubbing out the pencil marks

TAKE A PEN!

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Pissflaps posted:

Corbyn is doing a rally at the safe Labour seat of Gateshead.

May is doing a rally at the safe Labour seat of Bradford South.

Odd.

And was in Edinburgh earlier, also odd. This whole election is odd.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/sharcoal/status/871681331801067520

Would someone like to put Scottish Labour down?

I actually think this is quite good. Looks like a human being.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Pissflaps posted:

If you want to win an election then campaigning in marginals is more useful than campaigning in seats you hold with a 15,000 majority.

The impact of a leader's visit to a seat is pretty negligible to be honest. A few people will notice but not nearly enough. Usually it's just a pain in the rear end for the campaign team.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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big scary monsters posted:

:barf:

Please don't post untagged shock pics in this thread, especially at breakfast time.

I am shocked you do not consider this a tasty breakfast.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Someone should be sacked for that. Include the Saudi stuff or leave it out.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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peanut- posted:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/06/05/polls-labours-surging-non-london-doorstep-its-a-nuclear-winter-for-labour-somethings-got-to-give/

This is very negative about on-the-ground experience in the north vs what polls are saying. All worth reading, but this part jumped out:

Jose posted:

this is grim


It is. As many have pointed out these people have an agenda, they say as much in the first line of the article, however before I offer some hope (sorry - lies) can I first state for the record that I don't think Labour are going to win this election and given the looming wall that is Brexit don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. I would love to see a hung parliament although consider a small Tory majority likely.

Anyway here are a few things that let this article down.

• Polls now have Corbyn and May pretty much neck and neck approval wise by the measure that has been good at predicting elections. This article does not acknowledge that.
• The author mentions Labour positives not being straight with the pollsters in protest or for sentimental reasons. This could equally be true of Tory positives who don't like Corbyn but are traditionally Labour then revert to type at the ballot box. In short we may have a new generation of shy Labour supporters. The article does not mention this.
• There is no actual data involved in this article unlike the polls where there is lots. The author might have seen some but if so it will be bitty and weak. You do get a feeling on the doorstep but it is affected by your own perspective and as we’ve said there is an agenda. If you had gone out canvassing the night after Nick Clegg won that debate (as I was for the Lib Dems at the time) you would have felt like God’s gift to democracy. Now we have #libdemfightback so we all know how that went.
• Electoral register updates are extremely cumbersome to implement. There is no way local parties have all the info on newly registered voters and there is even less way they have sampled all that many. Constituency polling is hard in itself and younger voters are particularly hard to reach. You need years of data to predict outcomes well in any one constituency. Both campaigns are visiting places based on out-of-date information – but it’s the best they can do.
• If the Labour surge is contained in London, why have they jumped nine points in Scotland?

I’m sure there are other issues too.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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TheRat posted:

Back to "This can't possibly be legal, right?"


(Notice the small text on the bottom, it's printed by a local Tory candidate)

That text has to be there by electoral law. This is a crap leaflet. In London it will backfire.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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OrthoTrot posted:

If Labour won with the Labour movement in the state it's in it would be miraculous.

Thinking positively though this is the third time a spontaneous grassroots movement has appeared out of nowhere to defend Corbyn just for advocating basic socialist ideas halfway decently. If we don't go d a way to turn that into some kind of lasting social force this time we absolutely do not deserve a fourth chance. Conditions are ripe for building a genuinely huge left-wing movement in this country.

I'm on a tram with Alden Gillen. Who knew Carcetti lived in Croydon.

Yes. Do not despair comrades Attend to your barricade. 12 years after the Paris uprising there was a new France!

In all seriousness though A lot of good has been done in the last few weeks. My political background isn't Labour but I'll be voting for them enthusiastically this time. The manifesto is hardly a work of art however it offers fantastic vision, something that has been lacking for years. People aren't going to be happy with Theres May's Brexit police state. Sometime soon something has got to change.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Jun 7, 2017

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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nothing to seehere posted:

It all comes down to if the Lib Dems would vote for the same Queens Speech/ Budget as the DUP would, over a Labour government. If they propped up the government for the 2 time in 7 years, a Tory government would continue, otherwise Labour + SNP would probably rule.

They don't need to vote for it, just not vote it down. The oppo would basically have the Tories on a leash until they felt like collapsing the Government.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Gort posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-JHNOCobFM

Tory candidate asks Keighley hustings if people want Corbyn as PM.

I'm starting to think this election is about the engaged versus the not engaged. If only we could have cloned him. Everyone he actually meets thinks he's great.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Serotonin posted:

He was a pretty good local mp despite being a lib dem.

This was the Lib Dems superpower. Now they don't really have MPs so...Steve Webb is genuinely a lovely bloke) btw.

Off to vote Jam with my wife and two proxies in a knife edge marginal. Reasonably confident our MP will continue to.be the sister of a Blue Peter presenter.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Surprise T Rex posted:

I'm torn between hope, hopelessness, and a vague sense of "Well at least the left is on the up!"

This.

Off to vote Jam in a knife edge marginal. My wife and a proxy coming with me. Think it'll get done here.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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How on earth is this man not going to be Prime Minister?

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jun 8, 2017

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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hookerbot 5000 posted:

My husband is like that too. He never bothered voting until we got together and now he always asks me who he should vote for before he goes. It's a bit weird and I used to tell him to make his own mind up but then he'd just say party names while staring intently at me so just telling him who I voted for is quicker.

I think this is nice. He trusts you. It's not the same thing as forcing him.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Huge, huge result if true.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Prince John posted:

gently caress, a 7% swing predicted, a 2% swing ocurred.

Yeah this is all getting very complicated.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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This is going to be mad, results going everywhere.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:

This would be loving huge

And infinitely entertaining.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Might just eat jam today.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Gort posted:

Let's:

* Merge the SNP and Labour
* Make Nicola Sturgeon deputy leader
* Do devo-max to sweeten the deal
* Kick the tories back out of Scotland and Number 10

We can't sadly because nationalism.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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People are going to get very fed up of still seeing Theresa May very, very quickly.

Can I just say this is the best day. All my political experiences until now are comparitively awful.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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What is the quick rebuttal to the 'National spending is like a credit card' crap?

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Cheers all.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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EmptyVessel posted:

One of my favourite examples of Discordian wind-up was Robert Anton Wilson sending a Pope card to Ian Paisley Snr.

We used to send an old school Labour and Republican friend of ours a picture of one royal or another on his birthday for a giggle. Occasionally we would get it back with a slogan scrawled on it.

The papers used to refer to him as 'firebrand socialist' when he was a councillor and his daughter was Corbyn's agent.

Sadly he died recently much too young but he would be loving this and I expect still pissed.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Isn't it Government policy to encourage refurbs like this when they create more flats? Tax breaks and such like. It might just be for commercial property conversions. I remember thinking it was a license to build slums when it was announced.

Rare I can't actually watch the news. Heartbreaking stuff.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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The London property market is no where near as string as many in here seem to assume. There are already thousands of high end (in price) properties unsold, to the point some of the being offered with a free Rolls or £250,000 of furniture https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph-property/20170603/281505046182021.

The centre of the city is gradually hollowing out with demand only growing in the middle and outer boroughs.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Honestly nearly cannot watch the news, having a young son doesn't help.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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vodkat posted:

is there ever a medical reason to go full hollywood diet loony?

Can help control some types of diabetes.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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Wistful of Dollars posted:

I wonder if Rowson has stopped grinning yet since the Mail's breakdown.

Hahahaha

Missed this breakdown, could you summarise. There is nothing I hate more than the Daily Mail.

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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That's just delightful.

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Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
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OwlFancier posted:

We'll see if that's backed by action, personally I doubt she'll change party.

Having changed allegiance recently after being very involved in the last lot it's a very strange thing to do. A bit like changing football team. A bunch of your mates still play there.

Edit: On this day in 2002 I'm sure someone somewhere was eating a tasty sausage at exactly this time.

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