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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Scent of Worf posted:

I'm an american but i wish you guys/labor good luck :toot:

Same here. Good luck!

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Wasn't that guy going 'Holy poo poo I'm so happy I was totally wrong! You guys rock!' earlier tonight, though?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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So, like, does Theresa May get knifed in a closet by the rest of the Tories now? Is that how party leadership shifts work?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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sean10mm posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/09/from-climate-denial-to-abortion-heres-six-dup-policies-you-should-know-about

- Campaigned for Brexit
- No gay marriage
- No abortions
- Climate change deniers to the point where their ENVIRONMENT MINISTER in Northern Ireland was one
- Lots of young-earth Creationists

Checks out.

The center right will always think it can control the far right then get put over a barrel by it and shafted, lol.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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The DUP also hasn't actually agreed to join despite May saying they had, lol.

They're crazy right wing populists who now have a conservative party over a barrel, poo poo's about to get wild.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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It sounds like a fair number of the people who were strongly against Corbyn in labor are actually really happy to admit they were totally wrong right now.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Jeherrin posted:

"really happy" or just scrabbling to keep their jobs...?

Does it make that much of a difference if it actually unites the party and stops the backstabbing?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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So, what's all this 'shadow' business? Is it, like, an opposition leadership thing?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Grouchio posted:

Now all that's left is to make Rupert Murdoch have a stroke.

Ailes is dead, Murdoch can climb into the casket, surely.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I mean your dude took Labor from 'We are about to be destroyed' to 'I nearly became prime minister and also our opponents' only hope to cling to that is to make a pact with ethnoregionalist lunatics.'

That seems like it'd have a way towards calming skepticism about his political abilities.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Again, as an American, what's the deal with Sein Finn not taking their seats? Why do they do that?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Ah, that'd do it.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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So she basically picked the absolute worst possible coalition partner in every way?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Would it be much more the norm for a leader who hosed up as badly as May to resign and avoid putting their party in the difficult position of preparing to replace them?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Lots of us think that Brexit was, in retrospect, a warning about what was going to happen in the presidential election. We're hoping the same thing holds true for this one and the 2018 midterms. The harder the Tories twist themselves into knots, the more hope we have for our own wretched future.

Also we tend to think of the Brits like neighbors and are happy to see things didn't turn out totally poo poo for you.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Irony Be My Shield posted:

I think it's mostly from foreign posters who don't understand how weak and untenable the government May's attempting to form is.

I'm American and it doesn't seem hard to see how 'In such a poo poo position that they're reliant on a crazy ethnoregionalist extremist party to claim even a fig-leaf of a coalition majority' is weak as poo poo.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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What's a 3 line whip?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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waffle posted:

lmfao please do go with boris, if the tories think he's at all appealing to the british public then they deserve electoral oblivion.

He played "lovable idiot scamp" for a while but I really don't think he comes off that way anymore, and now he acts way too Trump-like for the mental connection to not be made by most of the public

Hell, the rear end in a top hat LOOKS like Trump.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I've seen some stuff that Corbyn's supposed to be a bit anti-NATO? Has he said he isn't fond of the alliance or something?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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I wonder if they released 'Yeah DUP has totally agreed we're all ready now' to try to get DUP to agree. That seems stupid enough for May, trying to make something fait accompli.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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This was actually the response of all right-minded people to hearing of her death

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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jabby posted:

May either has a phobia of the general public or her media advisers have determined that the catastrophic fallout from her demonstrating *yet again* that she won't meet ordinary people is less than her actually meeting ordinary people.

I mean all Corbyn does is show up and talk to people, something he would do anyway, and he looks amazing.

Didn't the Tories lose a shitload of marginal seats where she actually came to talk to the voters?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Incy posted:

I was expecting him to be a lot less popular, honestly.

-13 while May is -34.

It depends on the poll, most of the recent ones have him at 35% or so with 60% disapproving.

Still lol that the Brits hate May more than we hate Trump.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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It seems like May has actually lost her mind. Like, she seems to be actually going nuts at her failure.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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One thing I'm not quite certain I understand. Is Corbyn for or against Brexit? I know he wants a less insane version of it than May, but is that more out of 'This is probably unstoppable at this point let's try to make a softer landing' or what?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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forkboy84 posted:

Couple of weeks ago I ended up having a talk with friends that ended up on the end of the world & I ended up Googling bomb shelters/insane underground bunkers. How about a bunker with room for 50 people, a really large greenhouse, a swimming pool, a bowling alley, a cinema & a Batcave style hidden tunnel for your cars to go in & out? I also came to the conclusion that in the case the world didn't end in a rain of nuclear missiles, it'd be a great chance for me to catch up on the book backlog I've built up.

Anyway, it's a fun road to go down. Though I'm not sure about how safe these builds actually are as far as avoiding radiation, didn't look like it would be lined with lead.

Good news! With modern nuclear weapons, none of those shelters will actually survive being in the blast zone and death is certain.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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So, is it going to turn out like, every building in London with cladding has the very slightly cheaper kill everyone in a massive inferno type? The uniformity of it in the testing so far is kind of staggering.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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feedmegin posted:

Why is the UK Marxism Thread suddenly full of Americans talking about Trump? Have we offered asylum or something?

Your political situation is way less depressing than ours and we're following to feel better.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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TomViolence posted:

Christ, that bad, eh?

Imagine the Tories controlled most of the levers of state that decide who is allowed to vote.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Basically poo poo's hosed over here.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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We do have a bit of a complication in that socialist policies are popular up until the exact second you suggest someone who isn't white might get those benefits, here.

Then the screaming starts.

E: Though I imagine that's true in Britain, too. Trying to criticize policy they can't attack on policy basis by turning to racism is one of the favorite tactics of the right.

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Junior G-man posted:

Do they really think that this whole 'Corbyn = Venezuelan catastrophe' line is sticking? I've seen it everywhere and so far I don't know anybody who's impressed except for thumb people.

Get ready for a lot of 'Leftism leads straight to Venezuela!' in the future, because Venezuela is a tire fire right now.

Corbyn is nothing like Maduro, though, given he isn't a gibbering idiot.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Regarde Aduck posted:

It's used in these very forums by GBS keksters and has been since things started going bad under Chavez. We had a GBS shitlord just recently accusing us all of wanting to gulag everyone and turn the economy into "East germany". Ok so he got one out of two.

I mean, over here, my libertarian brother screams Venezuela!!! any time anyone points out the lovely stuff the right does and the need for more social protections. It'll be their new favorite toy for years.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Wait, you guys just fire legislators who don't hold to the party whip? What happens to their seat?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Gum posted:

Dems got a majority of votes in the senate race too. The US system really sucks

The House. The problem is the GOP got the House in 2010 and basically got to draw districts such that if there isn't a very powerful wave election against them they functionally cannot lose the lower house. We're talking an average national opinion swing of like 8-10% against them.

Our system is loving awful

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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Oh and now they're making an 'election integrity commission' to decide which votes are legitimate. That's what I meant when I said your poo poo is less depressing because OUR Tories have put themselves in a position where they get to decide if you can even vote.

The strategy with Trump was to keep him so busy with rallies that he wouldn't tweet and make national news again, because every time he did his polls dropped like a rock.

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Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

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What's interesting to me is seeing how your press tried really loving hard to kill Corbyn and it didn't work at all.

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