UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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hit button: Mar 18, 2012

I get the impression that the BBC is still licking its wounds from the fallout of Gilligan and the Hutton Enquiry, hence the reluctance to be seen criticising the sitting government. So basically its another thing we can blame on Blair.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2017 22:58

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:35

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

communism bitch posted:

Just for a second imagine if Corbyn hadn't been given the bare minimum of nominations for the leadership election and we'd ended up instead with a choice of Cooper, Kendall, the other one, and a randomly selected 4th Blairite.
Just imagine how last night would have turned out. Labour could actually be dead this morning if everything else had played out the same but with a Blairite in charge.

Bit pointless this. Labour would have muddled along in a similar vein to the last decade instead of the PLP trying to destroy everything to spite Corbyn. Their polling wouldn't have been in the dumpster, and May wouldn't have called the election at all.

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 16:55

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

ronya posted:

so, I've pointed out before that the old jam man is an old jam man and is likely to handpick a successor whilst his influence is strongest

the Strong and Stable government makes this a bit tricky though - it might fall apart at anything, defection, by-election, etc., so there's never really a good time to risk the wave of enthusiasm

Handpicking a successor doesn't sound like a Corbyn thing anyway. More likely he'd want to continue influencing party culture to the point where they would independently choose and stand behind a leader with left wing values.

idk maybe that's too idealistic even for him?

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 17:10

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea of Trump being an influence. People do tend to assume that the way things have been in the recent past will inevitably continue in the future, and this contributes to electoral apathy. Trump/Brexit have demonstrated that unexpected results are possible, and that voting makes a genuine difference. That lesson will have most formative to younger voters.

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 17:51

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/09/tabloids-crush-corbyn-power-politics-sun-mail-labour

quote:

The Sun and Mail tried to crush Corbyn. But their power over politics is broken
Suzanne Moore

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 18:52

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Tony Blair posted:

Let me make my position clear: I wouldn�t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn�t take it.

Even if you did it wouldn�t be right because it wouldn�t take the country forward, it would take it backwards. That�s why it�s not the right thing to do.

lol at Blair voting for Corbyn-led Labour anyway.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2017 00:37

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

josh04 posted:

Can we take a moment to put to bed all that shite about targeted facebook ads brainwashing the nation?

Sure, this election has proven that advertising never has any effect on people's behavior. Probably should just get rid of all the existing restrictions on election advertising too. :shrug:

# ¿ Jun 10, 2017 01:29

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

TheRat posted:

Hell status: Frozen

Jess Phillips: We all of us need to eat a slice of that humble pie

That's pretty unexpected from Philips, but I note that even in that article she's still trying to land sick burns on Jez.

Jess Philips posted:

There will be a number of different reactions from my colleagues in the parliamentary Labour party who doubted Corbyn. One camp will just jump on the Team Corbyn bandwagon and sign up wholesale to whatever it takes to be in the gang. Another group will still remain a thorn in his side, blindly rejecting the positives, not dissimilar to the group Corbyn was part of in the Blair years. There will be a number of different reactions from my colleagues in the parliamentary Labour party who doubted Corbyn. One camp will just jump on the Team Corbyn bandwagon and sign up wholesale to whatever it takes to be in the gang. Another group will still remain a thorn in his side, blindly rejecting the positives, not dissimilar to the group Corbyn was part of in the Blair years.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2017 01:09

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Josef bugman posted:

So, and this is pure hypothetical, can the Conservatives just not propose any legislation over the next 5 years?

Like, if they are scared of not getting it through government, why not just put through small bills from various local causes that don't cause much of a fuss?

The idea of a government remaining motionless for four years so as not to attract predators is the most Theresa May thing ever.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2017 01:25

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Zenithe posted:

Who the hell is Michael Gove and why does everyone hate him more than BoJo?

# ¿ Jun 11, 2017 01:50

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

While it would be great if younger voters continue to be as engaged and effective as they were in the election, its not unreasonable to be worried that it might have been the high water mark. Hubris and taking your voters for granted is really not a great look right now.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2017 03:56

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Private Speech posted:

Well in the current GE the Tories tried their hand at youth vote suppresion (not entirely a bad choice given the 50%+ advantage that Labour ended up with) through making student voter registration more annoying and by kicking off a lot of people from the electoral register.

There's also the talk about voter ID and the recent redistricting, though both of those were based on recommendations from cross-party commissions (which the government decided to follow as it suited them, of course).

But for the most part there's not much of it compared to the US.

Sadly, the Tories will probably learn from their error of scheduling an election at a time when Uni students have finished their exams but not yet gone home for the holidays.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 01:12

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Hoops posted:

Students always vote though, they're not the "young people" that are getting referred to in the voter turnout conversation as far as I understand.

Pretty sure students might have had something to do with the shock wins in Canterbury and Reading East amongst others. If the election had been a few weeks later, those votes would have been spread out in other constituencies.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 01:20

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

jabby posted:

That's not how it works. Students are either registered to vote at home or at their university, and that's where they must vote. It's not dependent on where they are at the time, although that might increase turnout.

That is how it works. Students are entitled to register at both at their home and term-time address.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 01:39

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

The UK press in the 70s were phenomenally successful in breaking the brains of a generation.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 02:05

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Prince John posted:

That seems like a really weird way to read the result to me. Surely the election tells you that half the electorate wanted to have you in government, and half wanted to have Labour in government.

You can't take two polar opposite electoral intentions and equate that to a desire for a minority Conservative government. Nobody voted Conservative with the end goal being a minority coalition.

Yeah, I noticed that one popping up during the election coverage a few times too. There's been a lot of hilariously dumb poo poo said by pundits and politicians trying to resolve their cognitive dissonance after the election, but "people deliberately chose to vote for a hung parliament" is easily the most :catdrugs:

take of them all.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 23:21

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Turns out that Ork Thatcher is sadly just an urban legend:

# ¿ Jun 12, 2017 23:42

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

communism bitch posted:

Y'all know you're engaging with a guy who equates transgender relationships with paedophila and bestiality?

tbf he only did that because it was necessary to his defense of anime porn videogames.

# ¿ Jun 15, 2017 14:12

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

communism bitch posted:

I've been meaning to call you out for a while, and I guess now is as good a time as any.

You've got a stupid habit of sweeping into the thread and just flat out telling people they're wrong about this or that in a very declarative way that suggests you know what you're talking about.
But I've seen (and I think all of us regulars have seen) a few times in the last few months where people have pulled you up and pointed out that quite often you don't know wtf you're talking about.

So how about in future, when you think somebody is wrong about something, you say why and provide something that backs up your statements, because it looks like you're trying to ride along on an aura of expertise that has been shot full of holes a few times in the last year or so.

And just so we're clear, I'm not saying you're wrong now, but your record is unreliable enough fr me to bring it up.

He's right. DSMA notices aren't like injunctions that are issued for individual incidents or information. They're a set of standing voluntary guidelines for the media which outline the circumstances in which classified information should not be relayed to the public. When necessary, the DSMA committee may contact editors to alert them that certain information falls under the existing notices.

I really can't see how it would be justified for the death toll to fall under the existing notices and am sceptical that editors would choose to comply if they were asked not to publish it on that basis.

More info: http://www.dsma.uk/index.htm

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 14:07

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

PST posted:

Almost entirely right, except that that DA-notices are issued on top of the standing ones. For example PRISM and Snowden had a DA-Notice slapped on it.

DA notices haven't been a thing since 2015 though. They were replaced by DSMA notices.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 14:25

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Baron Corbyn posted:

if the police were told to crack down hard on the rioters would they though? I feel like rule number one for anyone intending to become a lovely authoritarian is to keep the fuzz happy and on-side and I don't think May has done a good job of that.

Maybe worth noting that the TSG got decommissioned in 2016 as part of the Met's cost-cutting measures. :laugh:

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 14:48

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Cerv posted:

that's news to me.
are you thinking of the one particular riot squad of the TSG that was disbanded last year after they were all caught inflating their overtime claims?

Whoops you're quite right, I misremembered.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2017 17:00

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Thanks Ants posted:

Who would play him?

Computer generated Alec Guinness. Disney have probably got one in the works anyway.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2017 02:24

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

That's the same Paul Mason of course who was manoeuvring to have Corbyn replaced a few months ago. The absolute boy.

What's the source for this? I knew he got recorded in a bar saying some fairly innocuous stuff about Corbyn not being very appealing to working class voters, and that his choice for an eventual replacement would be Clive Lewis (which the Sun then tried to spin as him plotting to oust Corbyn). I'm not aware of anything else though, and thought he'd been solidly behind Corbyn basically the whole time?

# ¿ Jun 24, 2017 20:35

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

willie_dee posted:

All the Tories on my Facebook are claiming that Labour were in charge when the cladding was put on and inspections were cut, is this the case?

On the face of it that seems a completely ridiculous claim. The refurb took place over 2014-16. In any event, inspections would be the responsibility of the borough council which has had a conservative majority since its creation in 1963. How to argue with the claims would depend on what specific hairs they're splitting in order to implicate Labour.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2017 22:20

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 07:35

hit button: Mar 18, 2012

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/wimbledon-warns-supporters-against-political-chants-slogans/

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 23:25

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