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The CEO of AGL is dunking on Abbott and Canavan re:coal on twitter
What a time to be alive
https://twitter.com/tonyabbottmhr/status/904951352446423040
https://twitter.com/andyvesey_agl/status/904962056851341314
https://twitter.com/mattjcan/status/904972973542588416
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Also loving lol at the precedent this could set.
Urgent and unforeseen is anything the government of the day says it is
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There is never any sausages at council elections. Hence why people don't care about them.
They should post a snag with your ballot paper
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The recently released Chinese student’s recording of the argument he has with his teacher about using the word “Taiwan” illustrates how issues of sovereignty and territoriality can be very emotional for Chinese students.
In the video, the Chinese student says, in a calm voice: “You have to consider all the students … Chinese students are one third of this classroom. You make us feel uncomfortable.” He goes on to argue, “You have to show your respect.” The discussion becomes somewhat unclear, but it sounds like the student then says, “It really makes us feel terrible.” His next comment sounds like he is getting frustrated and upset: “Why do you always keep saying that? ‘Taiwan!’ As if it is a separate country.”
The teacher responds: “From where I am standing, Taiwan is a separate country. If you feel offended, that is your opinion.”
The student replies: “You should consider our feelings. You don’t have to mention it many times, and like hurt us once again.” He finishes with, “It is our bottom line, and you keep touching on it.”
It is not clear from the video exactly what the teacher said that caused the student such offence; however, Newcastle University said in a statement that the lecturer was using material from a Transparency International report “which used the term ‘countries’ to describe both countries and territories”.
What is immediately notable is that while the student is not satisfied with his teacher’s position, he does not even attempt to deploy what he may consider to be relevant facts or rational counter-arguments to support his own case. He is not trying to draw on his understanding of history, or setting out what he might see to be the relevant details of the “one country two systems” arrangement that currently governs the relationship between the mainland and the island.
Rather, the student repeatedly appeals to emotion, in particular, how referring to “Taiwan” as a separate country hurts the feelings of Chinese students.
The mantra of “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people” is not new. This emotionally charged phrase is used regularly in the Chinese press, with varying degrees of vitriol when, for example, a foreign politician meets with the Dalai Lama. In another case, singer Bob Dylan was warned not to “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” when he toured China before he had even arrived in the country. In a similar vein, my Chinese friends and colleagues would tend to react with great emotion if they felt that China was being criticised by an outsider – even in relation to topics like the weather or the traffic.
Research by Victor Mair in 2011 into this phenomenon found that an internet search on the phrase “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” resulted in 17,000 hits, as compared with replacing the “Chinese people” with the “Japanese people” (the next many hits, at 178) or 17 other nationalities which came up with zero hits. In an earlier search on google.cn of the terms “humiliation” or “bullying” (qifu: 欺负) and “disrespect” or “looking down” (kanbuqi: 看不起), anthropologist and historian Pal Nyiri found 623,000 entries with the term “qifu Zhongguo” (欺负中国, bullying China) and 521,000 with “kanbuqi Zhongguoren” (看不起中国人, looking down on Chinese people).
This tendency to be easily offended taps into the narrative of “national humiliation” which many Chinese subscribe to – the idea that the outside world deliberately carved China up during the opium wars of the mid-1800s, leaving it weak and vulnerable. President Xi Jinping’s “China Dream” of rejuvenation is a direct response to this view.
Some Chinese people have explained to me that the tendency to take offence when an outsider comments on China in a way they perceive as a criticism stems from the idea the country and the family are conceptually conflated such that they are understood as deserving equal loyalty. In a conversation with one Chinese scholar on the matter, I said that when Australian government policy was criticised internationally, it generally did not make Australians feel “hurt” in the same way Chinese people seemed to react when China was criticised. He said, “Because, you know, so many (western) people don’t understand how the relationship between people and state in China is like a family!” He explained how even the Chinese word for country, guo jia, is made up of the character for country/state, and the character for family (国家).
The Chinese students I taught in Beijing also felt very strongly that the idea of guojia, or “country-family”, expressed the relationship between people and the state in China very well. In their view, the state was an extension of the family, and should therefore be accorded all the obligations and loyalty traditionally due to family. My students felt strongly that while it may be acceptable for them or other Chinese people to comment on shortcomings or mistakes of the Chinese nation-state, it was entirely inappropriate for those outside to do so. Students took external criticism of China very personally, explaining their emotional response in terms of being “offended” or of experiencing hurt feelings.
Wrong China policy: White House calls Xi Jinping president of Taiwan
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Officially, the status of Taiwan is a “core interest” for China. That is to say, most Chinese consider the idea that Taiwan is an indisputable part of China is sacrosanct. They learn it at school, and in almost everything they see and hear as they grow up. To them, Taiwan is a family member; that is why discussions about its sovereignty tend to be emotional. Many Chinese students find it difficult to articulate why they feel the way they do about Taiwan – particularly because they have not had much training in debating or critically arguing a point. And they find it impossible to fathom that foreigners cannot understand their position on Taiwan.
There is another fascinating question the release of this video raises: why did the student record and publicise this moment? What was he trying to achieve?
The Chinese student’s lecturer was right to say that his course could not cater to any particular group, and that navigating different views and opinions is an integral part of the learning experience. But it is very difficult for many Chinese students to accept that “the Taiwan issue” is in any way a matter of opinion.
Dr Merriden Varrall is the director of the East Asia Program at the Lowy Institute.
loving triggered snowflake idiot imo
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Sep 9, 2017 11:21
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Plebiscite on whether Taiwan is a country just to see some fuckwit nationalist man child tears
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Sep 9, 2017 11:27
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Government debt higher
Household debt higher
Wage growth lower
Underemployment higher
Electricity costs higher
The australian public's verdict: The coalition are better economic managers.
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Sep 10, 2017 21:59
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Read another book (no not the fountainhead)
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Sep 11, 2017 07:22
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Metres seems wasteful, you only need a foot for the drop if you tied the noose properly
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Sep 11, 2017 11:58
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"It's a long time, thank God, since gay people have been discriminated against and just about everyone old enough to remember that time is invariably embarrassed at the intolerance that was once common. Already, indeed, same sex couples in a settled domestic relationship have exactly the same rights as people who are married."
Even if you take the absolute most generous interpretation for gay people not being discriminated against, 1997 years is not like the loving olden days
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Sep 12, 2017 08:14
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I'm sure glad discrimination is over
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A teenager who attempted suicide after being repeatedly bullied at school for being gay is suing Victoria's education department, and alleges the emotional trauma he suffered impaired his learning capacity.
Nathan Whitmore claims in a Supreme Court writ he was subjected to constant bullying, harassment, taunting and homophobic insults as a student at Somerville Secondary College between 2013 and 2015, before he left in Year 9.
Nathan claims he complained to the school's principal, assistant principal, five teachers and the student wellbeing officer about bullying, but nothing was done. His mother, Cathilee, alleges the school also never acted on her complaints and emails.
Nathan was 15 when he told The Age last year he was repeatedly the target of homophobic slurs from a boy in his class, while another bully threatened to kill him.
'Go kill yourself, human being': School 'not safe' for bullied gay teen
The bullying only stopped when Nathan reported it to police and Ms Whitmore was granted an intervention order against the ringleader.
"He would say, 'You're a gay human being who everyone hates, just go kill yourself and get it over with, everyone would be happy and better off'," Nathan said last year.
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"In Year 7 it was mostly verbal but when I got to Year 8 he started pushing me around and kicking me until it got to the point where he bashed me with a skateboard. That's when we went to the police and got the restraining order."
Nathan left the Somerville school to move to Elisabeth Murdoch College in Langwarrin, where he felt happy and accepted. But he is currently not at school as he struggles with a major depressive disorder.
The Supreme Court writ, filed earlier this month, states that on top of the depressive disorder, Nathan had also been suicidal, suffered weight loss and anorexia, had sleep problems and anxiety and was socially withdrawn.
He is suing the Department of Education and Training for an undisclosed sum that would cover the thousands of dollars Ms Whitmore spent in counselling and other medical expenses for her son, and for pain and suffering.
The writ says a psychiatrist last year found Nathan had suffered a learning impairment through the result of his emotional injuries and chronic post-traumatic stress, and would not reach his educational potential.
The emotional injuries would therefore limit his future employment options and earning capacity, the psychiatrist found.
Nathan and his mother claim the Somerville school failed to provide adequate supervision and protect him from the bullying students, failed to discipline the bullies, failed to take heed of the complaints and did not provide the teenager with counselling.
Somerville Secondary College principal Christopher Lloyd declined to comment on Tuesday. He has previously acknowledged there was bullying and that Nathan had been physically and verbally "harassed, bullied and intimidated" by a boy who recruited other students to abuse Nathan.
A spokesman for the Department of Education and Training said the department could not comment because the case was before the court.
Nathan has spent time in hospital after attempts on his own life and still self-harms as a way to deal with the emotional pain.
He says he has aspirations to study nursing and counsel other victims of bullying.
Shine lawyers general manager Stuart Le Grand said the impact of the bullying had been devastating for Nathan and his family, and had reduced his enjoyment and quality of life.
Mr Le Grand said it was imperative schools provided a safe and supportive environment for their students.
"Schools owe their students a duty of care and where this is breached, they may be held liable for the damage and may be compelled to compensate those who've been harmed," he said.
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MEANWHILE IN THE FREE MARKET
It's a tenant's worst nightmare; after complaining for more than six months about a leaking tap in their bathroom shower, Ella Gleeson and Morgan Russell finally had a plumber turn up.
But it was no easy fix. The repair job wound up exposing them to potentially deadly asbestos-laden dust for a week.
It was the beginning of a four-month battle to get compensation, and a stark reminder of huge gaps in the law in some states when it comes to protecting tenants from potentially hazardous risks.
The 26-year-old students didn't suspect anything when the plumber finished his work on April 20.
"I just assumed he knew what he was doing," Ms Gleeson said.
"When he was finished, the hole he had cut in the tiles above the bathtub was still there.
"He was like, 'that's for the handyman to fix'. There was just a giant hole in the wall. There was dust everywhere."
Ms Russell added: "I saw a hole in our shower wall. I saw dust all over."
They waited — but no handyman came to seal up the wall. After three days, they decided to clean up the mess.
"The dust just spread around the house," Ms Gleeson said.
On the fourth day her brother, a carpenter, visited.
"I showed him and his face dropped. 'That's asbestos'. So then we just panicked," Ms Gleeson said.
Asbestos confirmed, but clearance certificate later issued.
The women say they were initially dismissed by the property manager. The manager denies that.
But all agree it took a further 48 hours for a test for asbestos to be carried out.
The results were what they feared: asbestos.
The women were told not to re-enter the house and removalists were called in.
"The house was locked down, [there was] tape over it saying 'asbestos, do not enter'. Bags of our stuff were out the front of our house," Ms Russell said.
After receiving alternative accommodation at a hotel, the women were told a clearance certificate had been issued.
It declared the areas that had been inspected were safe for re-occupation. They could move back in.
But there was one problem: work on the shower hadn't finished.
"There was a giant hole in the wall, and they just expected us to go back. And when we questioned them with that, they dumped a portaloo shower in our driveway," Ms Gleeson said.
The tenants didn't feel safe returning to the house. They questioned the clearance certificate, which was only based on air monitoring in three rooms.
They knew dust from the work in the bathroom had spread throughout the property.
'A merry-go-round of talking to different agencies'
They went to Victoria's Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) to force the landlord to do more testing, and remove carpets they say had been covered in asbestos dust. They lost.
To challenge the clearance certificate, they would have had to pay up to $500 to hire their own expert.
"Tenants are really on the back foot with that," said Mark O'Brien, CEO of Tenants Victoria.
"If you want to establish your own evidence, quite often you've got to pay a specialist to come and give you a report. And those kinds of expert reports can be very expensive."
When the legal challenge failed, the women donned their own suits and respirators to salvage what they could from the share house. Furniture and appliances that had been exposed to dust were written off.
All the while, the women received contradictory advice from government departments.
Because the asbestos exposure happened while work was underway, the house was classified a worksite.
The agency that regulates asbestos on worksites, WorkSafe Victoria, did visit the premises — but by that stage, it told the women in an email it did not have authority because work had finished.
The tenants also contacted Consumer Affairs Victoria. It told the women it was responsible for landlord and tenant issues — but not asbestos.
"It was just a merry-go-round of talking to different agencies," Ms Russell said.
"They all didn't have any clear picture of whose jurisdiction this was. No-one knew anything really about asbestos."
Consumer Affairs Minister says case will be reviewed
Victoria's Minister of Consumer Affairs Marlene Kairouz told the ABC in a statement it was "a very concerning case and I understand the frustration and anxiety of the tenants involved in this incident".
"I have instructed my department to review this case and we'll actively consider any changes needed to better protect tenants against exposure to this dangerous material," she said.
In June, the women launched a second claim to recover rent and money for some of the possessions they'd lost.
They received a settlement offer that included a clause asking them to release the landlord and contractors from all claims arising from the discovery of asbestos.
Fearing they were now at risk of the deadly disease mesothelioma, they refused to sign.
"Potentially it prevents the girls in the future from bringing a claim if, God forbid, anything happens to them," said Tracy Madden, one of the country's leading asbestos lawyers.
"The difficulty with asbestos-related conditions is they often don't turn up for decades.
"I would always urge people to get these sort of releases looked at to make sure they're not inadvertently giving away rights."
'We just decided to fight'
Eventually, the women accepted a settlement offer they received just days before their compensation hearing.
The new settlement means they don't have to give up any future asbestos claims.
"They really underestimated that we had nothing left to lose," Ms Gleeson said.
"So we just decided to fight instead."
Both tenants said they were worried about what might happen to the next tenants who rent their former house.
In some states, landlords are required to inform potential tenants about hazards like asbestos in a property. But not in Victoria.
"At the moment in the tenancy law there's no obligation for anybody to disclose to the tenant a past situation in the rented premises," Mr O'Brien said.
"So this is a very significant gap in the tenancy law that needs to be addressed."
Ms Madden said tenants deserved to be protected.
"It all comes down to: would you want your family living there? You need to be safe in your own home," she said.
Thanks for giving me a heads up of what work looks like tomorrow.
At least it's not cladding I guess
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Meanwhile Bill Shorten's is telling Victoria to lift the ban on fracking because it will put "downward pressure" on energy prices.
Natural gas. A resource we produce in massive amounts and sell for rock bottom prices on the export market. We need to commit environmental suicide to make sure there's enough for our price gouging power companies to make even larger profits perhaps consider lowering their prices one day.
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Sep 13, 2017 00:40
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Saw that my ABS envelope arrived, so I went out and letterboxed 100 leaflets for Yes. Homeowners will collect the leaflet and their envelope at the same time, I imagine.
Should have just taken the 100 surveys instead
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Sep 13, 2017 09:00
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if only we had some recent example of a non-compulsory vote called solely for a weak wet conservative leader to strengthen their position within their own party spectacularly backfiring
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Sep 13, 2017 10:13
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I for one am glad that Flux/Senator Online has managed to hold government without winning a single seat
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Sep 13, 2017 10:18
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"I'm not owned, I'm not owned" cries South Australia and their dumb obsession with ex-Liberal staffers pretending to be independent.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:01
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I don't really ever find myself disagreeing with the positions the CFMEU puts forward. If only there were a political party that represented the views of the labour movement.
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Sep 14, 2017 08:28
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I'm sorry crazy anti vaccine lady. Your kid has autism because of your poo poo genes, not because of a jab.
Maybe stop having a poison womb or something. I don't know.
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Sep 14, 2017 21:03
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*anti-vaxer lady continues counting down the years before she can dump her unwanted defective kid on a full time government carer*
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Sep 14, 2017 22:19
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Is it a very Christian thing to see children as your property or what?
Yes, also wives.
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Sep 15, 2017 02:15
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Is Turnbull Catholic? What the hell...
Based on his policies, Catholicism runs about as deep as his support for the Swans.
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Sep 15, 2017 02:16
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I'm curious to know how that minister found out about the bride's opinion on Facebook. What a silly man.
It'll be some busybody pearl clutching parishioner "friend" of theirs.
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Sep 15, 2017 02:51
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No the rats would get to it first
Who do you think paid the rats
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Sep 15, 2017 04:52
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Howard was a piece of poo poo, but he was really the last Liberal leader to be half way competent and effective at anything other than wrecking things.
It's really no wonder they're trying to evoke his memory.
The only time Howard did anything other than wreck things was the gun buyback
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Sep 15, 2017 07:31
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When not even Rodney Rude buys into your PC Gone Mad bullshit
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Sep 16, 2017 04:26
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Yeah nah. This was far less of a phenomenon than young people simply not bothering to vote in the brexit. This campaign means a lot more to younger people and has had better support from the media.
Every single major election since then has swung significantly left of the prediction.
Stop comparing things to Brexit. It's loving stupid.
I can think of at least one that didn't.
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Sep 17, 2017 00:42
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Bolt isn't religious either remember. He just cares about making money.
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Sep 17, 2017 06:52
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First person arrested for wearing a mask today in Melbourne. Literally that's the entirety of the offence. They were standing silently at the rally and cops dragged them out.
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Sep 17, 2017 09:00
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Just stream GiantBomb content 24/7 and be done with it
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Sep 18, 2017 04:14
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A shark in every canal and two hundred rats in every garage
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Sep 18, 2017 23:23
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It's not just that, even on a pure kwh/c basis it's just insanely cheaper in Victoria. Even with the surcharge it'd still be cheaper by a very nice margin.
And that's why they need the adani coal mine
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Sep 19, 2017 07:48
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RING THE BELLS! RING THE BELLS!
Gimme bi-cameral legislature
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Sep 20, 2017 04:46
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Does it make me a bad person that my only qualms with mass execution of conservatives are practical rather than ethical?
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Sep 20, 2017 06:25
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Were you sitting around rubbing your hands together while Irma was bearing down on Florida?
asking for a friend
Seems like a hurricane would have way worse impact on minorities and vulnerable groups, so not really. Need something way more targeted like Madame guillotine.
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Sep 20, 2017 06:41
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lol just lol if you haven't ingested a kilo of dairy milk in a sitting imo
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His first email, titled "Am I still a British citizen", went to an address ending with the domain ".uksydney", Mr Lloyd said.
The next, complaining that nobody had got back to him, went to a decommissioned account which had been inactive for six years, Mr Lloyd said.
"None of these emails led to any responses," Mr Lloyd said.
Under questioning from Mr Lloyd, Senator Roberts said his 16-year-old sister had filled out his citizenship form and he signed it.
The form contained a line which said Senator Roberts held UK and Colonies citizenship, however he said he signed the document without reading it.
Senator Roberts conceded he would have realised he was a British citizen if he had read the form.
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That is the most utopia level stupidity
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