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Liberals: Infighting and purity tests will only result in our collective loss Also liberals: you dumbass loving leftists need to just shut up and we will fight you to the death to keep you out of the party and if that results in you not wanting to vote for us that's actually your fault.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao Dubya did all this poo poo to IN ADDITION TO KILLING ONE MILLION IRAQIS I think it's more likely that most people don't remember Bush era stuff because they were literally children at the time.
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Oct 25, 2017 19:36
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i mean i was in high school but I remember free speech zones, dubya's appointments deregulating everything they could get their hands and him damning an american city to drown because a large amount of black people lived there Never underestimate how dumb and ignorant you can be as a child. I realize this claim is going to sound like bullshit, but I was living in such a bubble when I was a kid that I didn't find out about 9/11 until 2003/2004ish when I stumbled across a documentary about it on the history channel. While certainly not as extreme as that example, I'm sure plenty of people just didn't hear about poo poo going on in the world when the greatest concerns in their life were grades, video games, and bullies.
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Oct 25, 2017 19:58
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Tiny could you, for like maybe five seconds, consider someone's point without shouting sexism like a right wing caricature of a democrat and address people's actual arguments rather than what you imagine they're saying.
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Oct 26, 2017 00:29
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Koalas March posted:do you even go here I've been lurking mostly, guess I should do it more.
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Oct 26, 2017 00:33
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:"We can't possibly be sexist! No no, no one would ever argue that. It's much more plausible that this person is making an extreme, nonsensical fringe argument instead. Why yes, I'll just take the liberty of revising their posts so they can make their point more clearly." Yeah TB, it's other people misrepresenting you in this thread, 100%, I'm glad you've managed to stay above everyone else in that regard. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Click back like, a couple pages dude. And if you're about to wad up some gross-rear end "no true scotsman" argument about the general tenor of this thread, save it. Republicans don't get attacked here, "centrists*" do Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What does the meek and docile Hillary you all require say about any issue? "Russian interference is cool and good"? If you don't like a woman she's no longer allowed to have any opinions about anything? Building cages where there's no way a woman can turn that lets her escape being attacked by you is one of the clearest signs of sexism. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Have you guys figured out what you'll slander Tammy Duckworth with the minute she has the temerity to run against a comfortingly patriarchal white man? Don't limit yourself to her gender crimes, remember there's a fun racism angle you can work too. Hell, why not some ableism! Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The gently caress even is this post. MWAHA, FE-MALES all being identical, I have cannily cornered you into my cunning trap! Twas your vagina that led you astray! Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Maybe if you took a split-second break from jerking off to lynching videos you could get your loving eyes checked and maybe see if that helps your reading skills. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:It is though, you just think it's okay because FEEEEMAAALEESSS.
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Oct 26, 2017 00:54
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Condiv posted:is that you b5? We are not nearly deep enough into a meltdown to start wondering that.
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Oct 26, 2017 01:09
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:But it wasn't referring to her foreign credentials, it was referring to "Hillary Clinton Said A Thing." It's like how you don't get to bring up Israel's apartheid every time Hannukah rolls around. To be fair this threads focus on democrats mostly comes from Trump (and thus the Republican party) already having his own thread, and this basically being the successor to the Democrats are a Waste thread doesn't help. It turns out there's not much to talk about in US politics once you take out the dominant political party in literally every branch of government.
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Oct 26, 2017 01:21
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Lightning Knight posted:Michael Bennet (D-CO) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) propose massive expansion of tax benefits for parents. This would greatly reduce child poverty rates.  Turning certain tax credits into a sort of UBI-lite is something I've been thinking about a lot lately and I'm glad to see that someone out there agrees with me. We should do the same for the standard deduction and possibly personal exemptions as well.
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Oct 27, 2017 00:36
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Absolutely gently caress the DNC and the powerful members of the democratic party who gently caress things up from the top, but take a serious look at each candidate before writing them off. Most of them probably aren't Lieberman tier shitheels, and as such would be tremendously helpful in at least bringing us back to deadlock politics rather than the current trip to hell we're going through.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:35
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Chilichimp posted:Ossoff is a neocon dipshit. Him winning that race wasn't about ushering in a socialist utopia, it was about giving a black eye to Trump. It was pure politics. He was running a race to attract center-right, white voters in a wealthy suburban district in Georgia. How the gently caress do you acknowledge that Ossoff was a candidate propped up entirely to try to see if they could win by just being republican lite, thus showing that democrats don't need the left to win, and still blame the left when he loses? His entire existence was meant to show that leftists aren't needed and that they need to shut up and fall in line, and you somehow believe that its the voters who should be blamed, and not the establishment that clearly put party politics above ACTUALLY WINNING THE loving ELECTIONS. sirtommygunn fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Oct 27, 2017 14:08
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Radish posted:I can see the logic of "well this area is right wing so lets run a right winger because that will appeal to the undecideds in that area" even if it's failed before (and was definitely being used as a test case to see if Trump was toxic enough they could win by default) since it at least makes sense on a theoretical level. What's silly is that if that area is so Republican you have to run a right wing Democrat, how can you blame the nonexistent leftists for staying home? I don't have an issue with Ossoff existing and running in that district, I do have a problem with him getting practically all the DNC funding during that time despite being the worst of the available candidates. It's about him having been the focus point while other elections were starved for cash, specifically in an attempt to show that the correct strategy was to keep moving right.
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Oct 27, 2017 14:21
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teen witch posted:Is there a thread for this Liberals vs. Leftists Grudgeamania 2k17 that isn’t USPol? Anything of substance in US politics gets its own thread/the Republicans control everything thus the Trump thread acts as the real USPol so this is all that's left to "discuss".
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Nov 9, 2017 18:37
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Nobody in New York likes New York politicians, we just vote for them.
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Nov 10, 2017 00:24
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Nevvy Z posted:You are right, better to let the Republicans pass their whole agenda. Better for everyone. Weird how you can only make arguments under the assumption that going left will absolutely, 100% of the time, result in a loss to the Republicans, and never in a victory that allows for positive change. It's almost as though you exclusively argue in bad faith.
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Nov 10, 2017 00:30
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drat, weak dodge there Nevvy. Try actually addressing the part where your argument completely falls apart without the assumption that supporting good policies automatically makes you lose elections. Oh, good edit, you can't address my actual post so you created a new one in your head to take down in its place. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 10, 2017 00:45
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Nevvy Z posted:No you are right giving the republicans a 50/50 chamber while they have the VP won't definitely give them power that was a bad assumption sirtommygunn posted:Oh, good edit, you can't address my actual post so you created a new one in your head to take down in its place. Twice in a row you not only dodge my post with insults but create an entirely different argument to shove in my mouth instead, bravo!
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Nov 10, 2017 00:48
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Nevvy Z posted:Your post completely forgot the context of the discussion and was thus dumb as all gently caress. I asked you to clarify and all you've got is more lovely burn attempts. Lol at you calling my argument bad faith you poo poo. You might want to try a different approach rather than going for the exact same insult -> make up argument tactic over and over.
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Nov 10, 2017 00:51
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Nevvy Z posted:"You aren't addressing my post! You aren't addressing my post!" Reversing the steps of your dumbass strategy isn't the solution Nevvy.
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Nov 10, 2017 00:54
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Hey as a non-american living in the US, I'm wondering about this tax reform bill that royally fucks me over. Will it get passed? If it does, when would it apply? I think Tax changes would go into effect for the tax year 2018, which you would be filing in early 2019.
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Nov 10, 2017 01:00
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Talmonis posted:I'd be super wary of full legalization as opposed to decriminalization. Can you imagine the hell that would ensue if Phillip-Morris decided to start pushing opiates? Legalization of marijuana and decriminalization of more harmful drugs is my take on it.
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Dec 5, 2017 18:44
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Seriously, why is me pointing out the major moral failure of the preferred leftist candidate so terrible to you? It isn't a personal attack on you, unless you are bernie sanders. It's the part where you made an attempt to pin Bernie's fuckup on leftists as a whole (calling him "[our] hero") that it becomes a personal attack, stop acting like you don't know that you disingenuous rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 6, 2017 20:56
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Fluffdaddy posted:You guys spend all day making GBS threads on the inability of democrats to call out sexual predators but then suddenly it's a personal attack when so-called leftist hero Bernie can barely get it right too. Your politics are so goddamn performative We agree that it was a lovely thing for Bernie to do and that he should be criticized for it, we do not agree that this should be used to simply snipe at people on this forum. We both have a problem with this, but you're using it as an opportunity to get some dunks in on the left rather than actually criticizing the lovely thing.
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Dec 6, 2017 21:03
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Minion of Freya posted:One of two people will be elected to senate, one is a confirmed pedophile and aspiring slaver. That's it, sum total and end. If the democratic candidate had harassed a trans woman of color at work while drone bombing a child wedding he would still be a man of honor and integrity by comparison. If Hitler invades hell we throw our support behind Satan. Rallying the apathy of your enemy with crocodile tears is a really boring and obvious tactic. Murdering children: so much less bad than raping children that you're the "man of honor" in comparison, and are thus entitled to all of our votes. What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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Dec 11, 2017 14:32
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You've come out strongly against wars, which obviously means that you're actually in favor of a massive increase in wars! If you aren't jerking it to the image of brown children being bombed at every second of the day it must be because you secretly want war all the time forever! I am a smart person who should be taken seriously.
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Dec 11, 2017 17:06
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Minion of Freya posted:Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say you mattered. You're probably pulling this same poo poo across a dozen sites along with a couple thousand other shitbirds. If you aren't you're even more pathetic. You would prefer the pedophile slaver win but you can't say that out loud and be taken seriously so you're trying to attack from the left. 
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Dec 11, 2017 17:40
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Me, dumbly: I think we should prioritize electing people who are against murdering hundreds of thousands of people overseas You, smartly: Are you trying to let the Republicans win???
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Dec 11, 2017 17:44
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botany posted:all of these point would make a lot of sense in a sane parliamentary system, but you are stuck with a first-past-the-post two party republic. you push as hard as you goddamn can during primaries to get the most progressive candidates to the top, and then you hold your nose and vote for the least of all evils. Notice how my post does not say or even imply that we should just not vote for people who don't meet 100% of our check boxes. I'm not advocating for letting Roy Moore in just because whatever his name is isn't particularly inspiring. That's why I used the word prioritize. Minion of Freya posted:One of two people will be elected to senate tomorrow and you morons are going "fellow leftists, voting is pointless because Democrats are useless." We know what side you're on and where you got the play book. Oh whoops you shoved words and thoughts in my mouth again in an attempt to get an own in on a strawman that barely even exists within this thread let alone the general populace. You're raging at imaginary people and alienating people who actually give a gently caress in the process.
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Dec 11, 2017 17:50
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karthun posted:We are talking about Alabama, do you seriously think that black precincts will not be denied ballots? It's the part where you throw people in prison for not voting that they're disputing not the part where Republicans will attempt to suppress the vote.
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Dec 12, 2017 14:08
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HootTheOwl posted:Happy to be wrong. Blaming black people has been the default for awhile.
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Dec 13, 2017 16:04
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I'm not a fan of accelerationism but we're already in hellworld so I might as well have something to look forward to.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:03
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You don't have to "give" the Republicans a chance to blame Democrats for something, they have and will continue to forever blame the Democrats for literally everything bad. They do not need plausible deniability, they will make something up if they have to. You can't oppose them by acting afraid of them pointing their god damned fingers at you.
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Dec 22, 2017 22:47
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karthun posted:So you want to shut the government down and kick 2 million kids off of health insurance on News Years Day and an additional 7 million in the following weeks? Children will die because of that decision. No, I don't want that, obviously. Me wanting DACA passed doesn't mean I'm just concern trolling in the hopes that children will die. I'm not arguing in favor of shutting the government down (though I feel threatening to do so is a valid strategy). I'm pointing out that your argument that Republicans will have the ability to assign blame to the Democrats doesn't have any merit to it because that has been a constant strategy of theirs regardless of whether Democrats had actually given them ammo or not. sirtommygunn fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 23:51
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Pretty sure the argument would be that WW2 caused the end of the Great Depression rather than FDR's New Deal.
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Dec 27, 2017 15:30
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Lightning Knight posted:I personally support the private ownership of individual toothbrushes, because sharing toothbrushes would be nasty. God drat centrist, you lack the guts to reach true equality. If you aren't willing to use the same brush for yourself, your family, your dog, and the toilet, you're only advocating for half measures.
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Dec 31, 2017 20:53
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Democrazy posted:You haven’t actually shown that opposition materially affected the outcome at all. You're running a god drat marathon with these goalposts.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:41
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"It is true that democrats actively worked against single payer, but if you can't provide me with exact statistics of how much that harmed the chances of it passing, I'm afraid we're going to have to treat this situation as though nothing happened at all!" - a smart person definitely arguing in good faith.
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Jan 4, 2018 22:43
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BarbarianElephant posted:It tests well with voters right now, before the Republican hate machine convinces them it will kill Granddad or bankrupt the country. Things are harder than you pretend. There's always going to be problems, and Republicans are always going to try to make things worse, but that doesn't mean UHC wouldn't be a massive improvement.
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Jan 4, 2018 23:30
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I don't know how anybody can take "this person might run!" stories seriously before we've even gotten to the midterms. It's all just clickbait.
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Can we not start talking about how MLK totally would've supported my side of this internet argument?
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