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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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kind of off topic but Aaron's sacrifice led me to do some reading on self immolations and I was surprised by how widespread it is. I was really only familiar with Thích Quảng Đức and the Buddhist immolation movement he triggered and the Americans who protested the Vietnam War in imitation of him. There was a significant wave of self-immolations during the push for statehood for Telangana in India, a few Iraq/WOT protests, and also at least two big waves of self immolations in the Soviet Union. One was mostly protests against using military force in Czechoslovakia, but the other was interesting - there were quite a few Crimean Tatars and Ukrainian separatists. I looked up every one of the Ukrainian separatists I could find information on and they were, to a man, all veterans of Nazi allied armies or actual Nazi units. I also found a Wehrmacht veteran who literally did it to protest the bad reputation of Wehrmacht veterans which sadly did not trigger any copycats

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Toplowtech posted:

:hai: "There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel." - some guy named Vladimir Ulyanov i believe.

the other part of that of course being that there are no friends in politics, so don't forget that dude was a piece of poo poo and may be again in the future

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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the contrition material? hell yeah Punished Navy

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Zionist grammar not much better, jfc

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Ignore_Me posted:

Nah, I remember when he made the about face. He got up on the podium on the senate floor and gave a speech about how “I used to be into dope, but now I’m into racism. It’s way heavier man”. Something about the crime bill I think? it was weird.

he once gave a speech for the sons of the confederacy or some poo poo like that where he did a kidding-not kidding about how Delaware would have seceded but unfortunately maryland was in the way and what a doggone shame that was

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Zodium posted:

i've met a bunch of people who think zionism basically just means "jewish people should get to have their own state"

yeah i would wager it's something like this. naive "why can't we just get along" two states at peace thinking without any real rigor or plan

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Owlbear Camus posted:

genetically modified red cow to bring about the third temple and messiah in israel? 90s airport novel plot rear end geopolitical developments

it's literally the conspiracy from the yiddish policeman's union

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

People in the year 1024 did not have a "European concept of race", what the gently caress are you talking about?

Literally. It's the third act reveal in Yiddish Policeman's Union by Chabon.

lmao finish reading the page before posting

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Shageletic posted:

I dont know anymore than you but doing some poking around regarding misconceptions on Japanese imperialism here in the West and some reasons why

First this first page of this article I wish I had a JSTOR membership so I could read the whole thing



And then there's this really fascinating paper I'm halfway thru reading that does a great job so far laying out how Western scholarship focuses, in a very liberal way, on how Japan as a homogenous idea presented a threat to American history starting off with the late 19th C instead of focusing on the material and real politik nature of what was really happening, because it was too close to Marxist analysis.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...blkeaVxxqf7Pe25

Basically since we broke their isolation we used Japan as a bulwark against German expansion then Soviet expansion after WWI, then their own expansion thru shows of force while still happily working hand in hand with them to exploit China and SE Asia.

And instead of the homogenous culture Western academics supposed occurred in Japan, the country was a bubbling cauldron of volatile politics that was barely fending off, you guessed it , an indigenous proletarian socialist movement by its elites veering into militarism and copying the genocidal imperialism practiced by Western countries as a way to build on the glory of their defeat of Russia in the early part of the twentieth century and creating a police state primarily existing to kill Socialists and socialism.

Fascinating stuff and reminiscent as all hell. Atrocities repeat with the same causes and awful results.

jstor gives 100 articles for free every month if you just sign up

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Leandros posted:

why does he say in Sparta? Like is the entire region Sparta?

he's imagining a techno-entrepreneurial economy imbedded within a culture of extreme militarism. his language is roughly as confused as his ideas of what those places are like

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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HallelujahLee posted:

gotta hand it to them

oh my

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Regarde Aduck posted:

That would be a bit stupid to provoke like that if Iran really has chickened out this time

He was almost certainly trying to provoke a response in the first place

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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madmatt112 posted:

alright, I’ll take the risk of being yelled at on the internet, fine :colbert: Ty

no one's going to yell at you really. we answer this question in that thread one or twice a month. there is a very complicated history behind the existence of the post soviet Ukrainian state, the ethnic cleansing of Russians in that state's borders, NATO expansion, the collapse and rebuilding of Russian society in the 90s and 2000s, etc etc that just doesn't belong here. no one really "supports" Russia apart from thinking Vlad has very kissable lips but they're the least bad actors in a farce of a war (and we all quietly harbor fantasies that isolation from the west, war economics, and cozying up to China will bring about Communism with Russian Characteristics even if we know it won't)

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

The big thing that’s not talked about but very apparent if you look at the GDP of post soviet countries is that with the exception of Russia they were hollowed out by neoliberalism, and Ukraine in particular had the fastest drop in life expectancy in living history as a result. The leadership were western puppets, until the puppet in Russia realized that they still had the leftover weapons, population and material capacity from the USSR to gently caress it let’s be legends and reject the only offer, which was let yourself get hollowed out- Putin unlike the rest of the western puppets in post soviet states is a true believer in Russian nationalism and had the acumen to pull something off, so this is the last gasp. The same hollowing is happening in the west too, it’s just decades instead of years slower because capital can’t just instantly strip out the copper wiring of the imperial core. But the violent spasms of the neocons in the US are driven by the same impulses of trying to do raw imperialism with the big rear end army we have to stave off the hollowing out by capital that has broke free of most mechanisms of national control. Russia just has far less time. It’s just an inevitable product of capitalism and imperial decline.

Lenin is actually to my knowledge the theorist that really distills the gist of it and is still mostly current in his theory on that area but I could be wrong I’m not a huge theory guy.

Also I think it’s cool people should post to figure out what the difference is over a viewpoint and it’s cool that even though this is the politics shitposting forum there’s imo by far the best actual discussion

fun detail: weirdos like the victims of communism losers calculate "holomodor" "deaths" in large part by taking pre famine birth rates and post famine population and just counting the negative delta as "deaths". if you do this with the collapse of the soviet union and the current population of the constituent states, you'll get over 100 million "lives lost" thanks to the tender ministrations of capital

also putin was perfectly happy to do a neoliberalism to Russia the freaks here in the US and UK just refused to let him and cornered him into having to save his country lol

edit lol ukraine war posters too enthusiastic for their own good, forgive me pls

DeimosRising has issued a correction as of 05:16 on Apr 16, 2024

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The difference between the Soviet Union and Russian Federation is pretty clearly demonstrated with that, because goddamn somebody give them some SAMs and MiG-23s already.

i'm sure i'm being dense but i don't follow what you mean

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Soviets were willing (to a point) to arm states that opposed the US and Israel, the Russian Federation has been very careful not to provide the Syrian Arab Army, and especially the Syrian Arab Air Force, anything that could be a threat to Israel.

You can liken this to the Russian-Turkish-Greek diplomatic crisis over selling SAMs to Cyprus that would have prevented Turkey from bombing at will.

i was being dense, i thought you meant iran and was like ???

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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hubris.height posted:

As a parent, I think about the story of the Palestinian girl that cried about school being dismissed back in October, the teacher assuring her it wouldn't be permanent, and her dying in a bombing the next day a lot

Dti dta

I have more than a couple of really rough moments every day thinking about what kids are going through over there. The playground that got bombed and then they blew up the little girl who survived and emts coming to help her, i just keep imagining her fear and confusion and pain

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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

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Kopmala posted:

what's syqposting? I missed the boat on this one.

posting a quote from somewhere else without attribution as a joke/ to see if it gets people riled up. annoying 90% of the time but extremely funny often enough to be worth it

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