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What's #springst? edit - a Victorian politics thing? e2: \/\/ Thought so, thanks Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Jan 4, 2018 |
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I think you guys woudl be proud of me, tonight a friend was complaining that the founder / boss of the hedge fund she works for in New York sent out a blistering email saying that anyone who works from home during the blizzard will have half a vacation day taken out of their leave or whatever, and i asked if she had a union and got to make the easy point that this was exactly the kind of thing that unions are for. at at a table of pretty rabid capitalists. it didnt;' go down great but i was prety pissed after a good day at the circket and it's all sweet.
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Jan 6, 2018 14:25
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Anidav posted:Opinion: Australia becoming a republic would be a blow to democracy This... this is one of the worst things I've ever read. It doesn't say anything. Like if it was posted in these forums it'd probably be probatable. Regardless of how demonstrably undemocratic an unelected head of state is, how is the queen the protector of our constitution, more so than say, our supreme court? Yes, the question of who our head of state will be is unanswered, because we haven't even decided if we can ask it yet. (Incidentally, if anything productive is to come out of this post, who would be a good head of state?) If this is what the monarchists have to offer then yes, we almost certainly will be a republic in the next few years.
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Jan 24, 2018 04:55
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Just look at that last line: "Will an elected head of state have the power to usurp the decisions of the parliament? Surely that would be a blow to democracy. So the republic was and remains a very bad idea." He literally poses a question, takes it upon himself to answer it, and then uses his completely unqualified answer to reach the conclusion he wants. It's astonishingly bad writing, even for someone in primary school. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 05:56
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MikeJF posted:We want someone to wield reserve power. And we want them to be apolitical, which is why I'm wary of direct election. But the popular image of a 'president' is so overwhelmed by America people wouldn't accept any other method. Haven't heard that before, sounds interesting. Seems to lack a certain grace though. Is the governor a premier? Don't we want to keep state and federal more seperate than that? Assuming we keep the states of course. Speaking of which, I thought it was weird when they decided that Clover Moore couldn't simultaneously be the mayor of Sydney and the Member for Sydney in state Parliment. Surely that's a good and efficient use of mayor-ing? To represent the citizens?
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Jan 24, 2018 06:00
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God I hate the amount of duplication we have in our governments. I know I've said it before, but what the gently caress are we paying all these people for. Ribbon cutting?
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Jan 24, 2018 06:13
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Kafka Syrup posted:I'm super in favour of a Federal Council as head of state, but more like Switzerland than the old model. Each state (NT and ACT become states) directly elects OVOV one councillor as does the First Nations community, with a total of 9, with a rotating Presidency every six month, with a mere majority able to make most decisions and a supermajority of 7 required to use reserve powers to dissolve Parliament. Not sure about the first part, but I'm sold on the second.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:50
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Whitlam posted:There's nothing they do that a state government couldn't do. Wrong way round Whitlam! Get rid of states, there's nothing they do that the federal / locals can't do. Surely we need councils more than we need states. Sorry about Chance, good luck lil' pup.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:52
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CrazyTolradi posted:Getting rid of councils makes a lot more sense than getting rid of states. There's no way that councils could provide the services that the states do and not run into severe funding issues, royally gently caress it up or both. LGA's are by far the most corrupt level of government in Australia, and by and large the majority of them aren't even ashamed of it. I'm saying the federal level should do most of what the states do, not councils. And the constitutional thing is part of the problem and why they need to be done away with. Councils are more relevent to people's lives than the states, which are almost a pointlessly duplicitous abstraction. Whitlam posted:States rool councilz drool. goddamn it this makes me madder than almost anything in these threads, I'm out!
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Jan 24, 2018 07:17
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I can't remember which month it was but we did this in depth a while back, and I don't want to redo it, but I'm talking about education, health, transport, police, etc. all of these would surely be better administered at a federal level and make little to no sense to be duplicated 8 times or whatever. Waste too, but that's another topic I can elaborate on later. Councils are for hokey local stuff like I don't know, color schemes of local streets and bake sales and stuff. Things which affect that community directly.
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Jan 24, 2018 08:08
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CrazyTolradi posted:You already do with every post you make. What? And yeah Whitman I hear ya, cheers.
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Jan 24, 2018 08:29
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:everyone check the GBS austhread If anyone is about to go to bed, don't do this, and definitely don't check post history Like actually blowing Dane cook would be better loving hell
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Jan 24, 2018 13:32
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NTRabbit posted:She's a trust fund child wet Liberal who believes that her particular brand of conservative second wave feminism is the only right one really, you want to do this again?
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Jan 25, 2018 21:22
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NTRabbit posted:State the facts in evidence? Sure go on then, state some facts as evidence which shows she believes that her particular brand of conservative second wave feminism is the only right one better yet, find something better to do than winding me up with low effort trolls goddamn it.
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Jan 25, 2018 22:23
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Krabboss posted:The Mia Freedman respecter has logged on. I'm the one who literally just asked for evidence to support a claim about someone's beliefs. Judging by the responses, there isn't any. Good job auspol.
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Jan 26, 2018 00:31
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People are idiots JBP
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Jan 26, 2018 00:49
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bandaid.friend posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-29/royal-national-park-glamping-development-set-for-legal-challenge/9368506 Don't have any details, but 6 x 2 person eco-tents doesn't sound like too big a deal? More people in the park might increase appreciation for it?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:17
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JBP posted:It looked to me like a group of people blooding themselves and demonstrating to each other how on board they were with the crew. Not well planned or well intended. A circle jerk. This is pretty much the world in general to be fair.
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Jan 30, 2018 06:29
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Check it guys https://www.facebook.com/ClimateChangeIsNatural/posts/1748447445207174 Edit - nvm sorry pretty obvious should have looked closer Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Jan 30, 2018 06:32
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I couldn't really see it on my phone but yes I realised seconds after posting, please excuse me for an unnecessary postJBP posted:"Supreme Feminism Council of Mia Freedmania" Come on now
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Jan 30, 2018 06:43
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hooman posted:The whole "reduce animal cruelty by not eating meat" seems like falling into the trap of thinking individual action makes a measurable difference. Get people to Eat way more kangaroo
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Jan 30, 2018 06:45
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MikeJF posted:Not just unnecessary but actively damaging, congrats. Good thing this one was 'pretty obvious', I assume if they'd faked it just slightly better you'd be spreading it everywhere and getting the other easily led ranting and raging against the drat muzzies. Yeah totally, thanks, you got me, I'm all about ranting against the drat muzzies, you loving weirdo I could try and say it came out wrong but I recognize that's weak so I just owned it and apologized but good on younfor dragging it out again
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Jan 30, 2018 11:20
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bandaid.friend posted:I don't think news corp would have supported changing the date if she was more polite. They'd have found something to fault in an Invasion Day march regardless. I don't want to blame her because a media empire is intent on making targets out of women of colour who step out of line When someone literally says "gently caress Australia, burn it to the ground", unironically, in public, with a megaphone, to a crowd of people, their gender and race don't come into it. I think it was a mistake and I wish it had been better separated from the change the date movement. I support changing the date (and remember being outnumbered in an argument about it in here a few months ago). I think it is important to separate that conversation from a hatred of Australia, because it is basically an impossible argument to win. I think there are things to celebrate and wish we could do it on a day which can be happy for everyone. That's what the message needs to be to succeed. This kind of rhetoric won't help that happen. Hating Australia is totally valid, and I'm sad and sorry this woman experiences such sorrow living here and for the pain her people continue to experience. I wish her all the best.
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Jan 30, 2018 22:47
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Snowman_McK posted:Remember all those white guys who openly advocate for genocide and the massive hate campaigns news corp launched against them? I suspect this is your point, but who were they and what were they saying?
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Jan 31, 2018 00:38
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Cartoon posted:What all of us should have against Ian. You see in the seventies and eighties there was a thing called bottom of the harbour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_of_the_harbour_tax_avoidance Ian was the Skase of his generation and was last seen evading creditors on his yacht as it sailed for international waters through Sydney heads sometime in about 1983. Once all of the enforcement action and legal wrangling had died down (And it was clear he had gotten away with it) he returned to Australia and started Clean Up Australia as a way to restore his public profile. He has gone to extensive lengths since to keep all the dirt about his earlier career off the front pages and must have a team of media managers continuously washing his web history so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kiernan makes no mention of it. The latter out weighs the former. Especially since it sounds like they were working within the law until the gov cottoned on and changed the law. Don't know about him ripping anyone other than the ATO off though, you haven't provided any evidence
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Jan 31, 2018 01:11
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I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's not as bad as clean up Australia is good.Birdstrike posted:I too think tax evasion schemes which have the destruction of records as a defining feature are within the law. According to the link posted, 40 years ago they literally were? Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Jan 31, 2018 01:38
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The article you linked didn't even mention Kiernan? And there are no details about who got ripped off? I mean even for your addled mind this is shaky sir.Cartoon posted:You really are the gift that keeps on loving up, making GBS threads on itself and then falling down in the accumulated mess. But enough about your toilet habits
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Jan 31, 2018 02:15
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Cartoon posted:If you think I'm going to go and get copies of the front pages of newspapers from forty years ago just for you then you are even more loving deluded and hosed up than on one of your 'classic' flavour melt down days. Fortunately THE loving ARTICLE I LINKED INCLUDES IT IN THE VERY FIRST TOPIC FOR FUCKS SAKE: I also love that this posts describes mine as a 'meltdown'. Priceless.
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Jan 31, 2018 02:22
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Cartoon posted:Well yes but you may have noted (lol who am I kidding) that I addressed that exact point in my first post. Finding dirt on Kiernan online is nigh on impossible. How do I know? Because every time clean up Australia day rolls around I look for evidence of his previous malfeasance. I do this to remind people that he is, in fact, a poo poo bird of the lowest order. I can how ever assure you that it was front page news back in the day and on such a front page was the picture of him sailing out of Sydney heads on his yacht. Oh right I forgot this was auspol, where some dickhead remembering a picture of a guy on a boat from a newspaper 40 years ago is sufficient to write someone off, despite them almost single handed getting a nation psyched about going out and picking up rubbish e - or maybe not! In the words of Tamatoa, 'you keep surprising me' Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Jan 31, 2018 03:48
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Cartoon posted:I once again have to re-emphasis my original post where I point out I have been looking for web material in vain for at least ten years. We heard you the first time genius, it does not an argument make
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Jan 31, 2018 05:06
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Starshark posted:Don't ever take their chair. THIS CHAIR IS ADJUSTED EXACTLY TO MY SPECIFIC BODY PARAMETERS AND EVEN THE SLIGHTEST CHANGE WILL CAUSE PERMANENT SPINAL INJURY. NO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READJUST CHAIRS, WHY DO YOU ASK? Why you going around fuckin' with people's chairs? 
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Jan 31, 2018 10:04
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Starshark posted:Don't quote me fuckhead. What the hell is everyone's problem, Jesus Christ
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Jan 31, 2018 10:56
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So do we think the guy who started Clean Up Australia day is actually a dodgy gently caress who ripped off mum and dad investors, and just no one remembers it, and there is literally not a single scrap of evidence, despite 10 years of searching, or is Cartoon just a confused old guy who saw soemone sailing in a newspaper 35 years ago and got some headlines mixed up? Edit - I mean to be fair we could go back to the original question and concede it's possible he was involved to some degree. We don't know how or to what degree, but even if he was, given what he's done since, does that make him a 'poo poo bird of the lowest order'? Just as an interesting hypothetical of course. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Jan 31, 2018 13:16
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I ain't dying, but if the standards of evidence we need to write someone off drop from 'subjective' to 'zero' then we need to seriously reevaluate the point of debating or discussing Australian politics
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Jan 31, 2018 13:36
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I'm not even asking for evidence at this point, we've done that and there isn't any. Funnily enough I was prepared to take Cartoon's word for it and thought there was an interesting discussion to be had around the idea of redemption, until UrbanLabrinyh checked the newspaper archives and found nothing. Now I'm more asking the consensus on Cartoon's mental health. I mean his grudge against me aside, this is pretty weird. And yeah it's not about the boat name.
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Jan 31, 2018 14:03
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Jonah Galtberg posted:shut the gently caress up, nobody cares at this point/any other point preceding this point Hey cool thanks for chiming in Jonah Galtberg good to see you bud how you been
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Jan 31, 2018 14:15
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NTRabbit posted:It was posted, you ignored it, much like any other Young Liberal presented with a fact not in the party approved dossier Sigh Come on Check again
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Jan 31, 2018 14:33
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bandaid.friend posted:Oh, I think this is pretty much what I said earlier regarding the vegan thing. I don't like it when the thing I said before, is now the thing someone is saying to me I think we can look at the goal, and look at the consequences, and see they don't really align. If she says 'I don't care about changing the date I just want to burn australia' then that is at odds with the stated aim of the tens of thousands of other people assembled there that day. I agree we should be conscious not to tell women or POC what to say, but in this case it is actively sabotaging the objective of a large group of people and it's fair to point out
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Jan 31, 2018 22:53
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^^^ lol hey mateMikeJF posted:I have a quite specific adjustment on my chair that currently works best with my hosed up L5/S1 disc and it's quite inconvenient when people take it and change it why can't we just all be considerate I don't think that guy likes being quoted FYI
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Feb 1, 2018 00:09
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bandaid.friend posted:I think it's important Aboriginal Australians are the ones who have the right to set the message on Aboriginal issues, especially considering Australia's history of denying them self-determination. I'm a member of the oppressing class, here, jumping on her for saying something I don't like is joining news corp's dogpile, which is exactly what they want I don't think it's 'jumping on her' to say that her actions didn't succeed in accomplishing the stated aim of the tens of thousands of people assembled. Honestly, the way we're terrified of critiquing anything done by a POC is pretty patronizing. And I'm not talking about her tone or her dress, I'm taking specifically about the words.
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Feb 2, 2018 01:08
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