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Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Jay Rust posted:

I don’t know much about 4chan, what’s stopping every rando from posting their own Q word salad?

Nothing because trips were solved ages ago.

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Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


John Titor and so many of 4chan's original amazingness worked because so many people liked it, it helped set the frame, and it gave membership community engagement other than raiding.

Antifa Supersoldiers and the Starbucks Estrogen Conspiracy worked because fascists are don't care about the content of the message as long as it reinforces their bias and allows them to feel victimized.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


QAnon is the belief that the fictional government that agrees with their politics will fight the real government that is moored in reality. Adding reality to the fiction would ruin it.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Dr. VooDoo posted:

He’ll be baptized as a new prophet perhaps. I have to wonder what happens to the cultists who aren’t part of the heads of the scam who are suddenly thrust forward as one of the figures of their cult like this. Do they suddenly start having their own inside information and secret Trump affirming insider knowledge and if they do, do they actually believe it to be inside information or do they know they’re lying?

Imagine an elementary school classroom where -everyone- has an uncle working at Nintendo.

Now take that same process and replace intuition, hearsay, and video game enthusiasm with pareidolia. hate, and prior conspiracy mythologies. Instead of having wish fulfillment come in, the wish fulfillment is already there. Eventually, as the final moment of revolution/revelation is put off again and again, fear comes in.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Q is Kermit.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Okay, between that and the one that gave their mother an aneurysm with this poo poo, I'm done with the thread for now.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Can we reflect on how awful it is that 4chan has been overrun by boomers with no knowledge of internet culture, who, upon having "cheese pizza" explained to them, created a conspiracy theory that a physical pizzeria had a secret underground complex where children were being held in chains and branded for sale by everyone they already hated and made poo poo up about normally?

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Ah yes, they've finally accepted that climate change and ocean death is happening, and are now blaming it on the jews and chinese.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


SpaceViking posted:

That and Gamergate were the two catalysts. Moot also banned gamergate discussion because it was taking over every board, so 8chan was made to post child porn and complain about women in video games. A more pure chan board was never before seen.

Oh god I remembered 4chan two days after the gamergate purge and it was like I was living in the Bush era again.

They had a loving Worms:Armageddon tournament. They were actually capable of running a tourney on /v/.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Zil posted:

So they are a whole site of n*****stomper58's? (don't care if it was a username, not typing it out)

Just full on ironic racist brainworms that bloomed?

It's fake geek boys who got mad that women beat them at video games.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


TulliusCicero posted:

Even Dale Gribble would ask for any sort of evidence on this one. Plus, most of Dale's theories were largely harmless.

Dale knows Russian and the Mexican dialect of Spanish, has left the country, understands multiple trades, mentioned COINTELPRO, doesn't trust the NRA, holds down a job to help cover the expenses*, actually believes in aliens, follows through by preparing rather than doing nothing, accepted Bug's homosexuality, and is a good father.

From this, we can assume that Dale's the kind of person who was fooled into thinking that ancapism is real and eventually realized it isn't.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


1337JiveTurkey posted:

Like there's one person in this idiotic argument that wouldn't be executed by the Khmer Rouge for their right wing beliefs. "But I make fun of lanyaaardsssss!" as they beat your bourgeois skulls in with a shovel.

Khmer Rouge were openly backed by the US and were beaten by the Viet Minh.

Maybe you should stop using conspiracy theories as an excuse to fantasize about the violent death of posters on these forums.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


He'll be accusing Alyssa Milano of being an assassin soon, so there's that to look forward to.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


You're overthinking them.

This person hates the poo poo out of Amy Schumer and needs something to be her fault to keep hating her.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011



Either HN is (jokingly?) demanding the return of Caturday and other beloved 4chan traditions, or the Qultists and nazis have broken the only law ever held sacred by 4chan.

Are home appliances back in fashion? If so, I sincerely hope 4chan is dead for good.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Dec 20, 2018

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Edith Upwards posted:

Either HN is (jokingly?) demanding the return of Caturday and other beloved 4chan traditions, or the Qultists and nazis have broken the only law ever held sacred by 4chan.

Are home appliances back in fashion? If so, I sincerely hope 4chan is dead for good.

Turned out to be a joke by both HN and the poster I was quoting, but as someone who's had property with cats/goats/owls on it, uh, if you get a religious son of a bitch who starts talking about demons than they're eventually going to destroy landscaping features and kill your animal buddies. Like, 100% sure that Abrahamic religion's grudge against graven images was tied to the same urge that causes fundies to start torturing cats and murdering statues. I also knew a christian lady who either murdered or disowned her kid and she'd tell us all about how the satanists killed him.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Hungry posted:

My Little Pony - a cartoon for little girls about why it's good to be friends with people different to you - has a significant fanbase of fascists, so I think it's a little difficult to draw conclusions about media based on who's into it.

The fact that it has multiple anticommunist episodes has something to do with it. Girls media always has more of that poo poo.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Dec 28, 2018

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


pseudanonymous posted:

Yes the numerous indictments and guilty pleas of the countless Trump associates investigated is exactly the same as a conspiracy that says that Robert Mueller is working with the time traveling incarnation of Jesus Christ to stop Hillary Clinton's pedophile demon army.

What the christ this is the most absurd both sideism yet.

sonic weaponry, Ethiopia, and Putin's basilisks are all terms you need to search as well as TransCult, overpopulation, earth carrying capacity, gender critical, and womyn. It very quickly loops over to the right, but it does exist independent.

VitalSigns posted:

Ah ok thanks this actually makes sense (for an extremely tortured definition of "sense").

Since flat-earthers think all the arguments and observations that go back to Greek times if not before are flawed somehow (because they have a third-grader's understanding of geometry), I guess Sputnik would be the first unambiguous proof of a round earth that anyone can directly observe so that's the first evidence that was affirmatively faked instead of just teaching kids fake science like "perspective".

One wonders if the conspiracy has been going on for thousands of years and the Illuminati decided they needed some convincing fake proof because Dr Rowbotham had uncovered the truth with the power of his logical mind and it was only a matter of time before the masses rejected fake science like "optics" and "surveying". So they made up space travel to keep the round earth lie going.

Or if they all believed the bad round-earth arguments of the Greeks and when the USSR sent up the first satellite and everything went wonky they said "oh poo poo earth is flat we'd better build a dome while everyone is sleeping to project a fake Sputnik to save face"

Or if the goal was faking space travel and all the governments just mistakenly believed in a round earth so when they faked space travel they just faked what space travel from a round earth looked like because that's what they and everyone else expects. But nobody's really been up there to see what shape earth is, NASA just fakes all that for other reasons.

The answer to the majority of Christian conspiracy theories are generally even more hosed up and paradoxical than regular ones because fundies rarely have the same experience of reality as even the boring Christians who perceive truth, beauty, etc as divine grace and feel divine ecstasy and such.

When people are constantly in the siege mentality and go to mock torture camps to practice their own persecution and martyrdom, are taught that reading the Bible on one's own is a moral hazard that opens one up to possession, and are frequently taken on what I call "ritual fear safari" uh, yeah, I'm genuinely surprised these people aren't either systematically mutilating/defacing anything that can be anthropomorphized and losing fistfights with statues.

e: I mean, they are, but I'm surprised that we don't see more coverage.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jan 10, 2019

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Go to a school that isn't accredited and get lectured before and after recess at the park about the satanic junkies and demons taking the form of deer and the aids rings, then, after being told not to talk to other kids at the park you had recess at, thank God or pretend to thank God that The Gay Agenda didn't snatch you up and take you to the secret catacombs where they have a devil church made of femurs.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 10, 2019

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


I could never find the bloodstained mattress that's supposedly the trapdoor, so I wouldn't know.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


zoux posted:

I feel like Q has an obvious sell-by date, like I dunno how this persists beyond the end of the Trump presidency in 2024

Remember that he's a time traveler.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2008/09/08/false-witnesses/

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2008/10/08/false-witnesses-2/

a classic for anyone wanting to figure out how this spreads, since I apparently didn't get the joke about the Rimworld guy being crazy.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Mar 2, 2019

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Sex Robot posted:

My house mate's 6 year old son constantly and intermittently says yeet and dabs like they're tourettes tics. It's bizarre. The internet will kill us all.

You don't remember the MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY phase of your adolescence do you?

there's also that phase where they read something clever and repeat it at full volume

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Anyway, the VICE article reminds me of the difference of lines between the usual Baptist "You can't know the mind of God." and "You can't know the mind of God." with one being standard American Protestant and the other being Satanic Panic horseshit 24/7, with tales of geographically impossible ambushes that they heroically saved you from by bible-ing really really hard.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 12, 2019

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Oh hey it's the anticommunist liftblr lady.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Psychogeography is a lovely science. I guess I have to do the research now.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Has someone said "Murder on the Lolita Express. They all did it?"

I know they have.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


QANON: Donald Trump isn't a subhuman piece of poo poo.

This thread: Jeffrey Epstein is a child slaver who kept receipts for slaves and was going to talk. Multiple guards and prisoners were on their phones posting on 4chan about his murder.

countless shitposters: "These are the same."

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Trazz posted:

Okay but it just seems like "Hey Trump loving cheated and stole the election and the Republicans knew and covered it up" seems like a much bigger factor than "Hillary Clinton was unclear on her policy" in the events of the 2016 election so forgive me if I talk about the bigger, ongoing factor more than anything else

Also it seems to me like the people who say this are just making a false equivalency

The Republicans cheated in 2000 and in 2004, and also in 2008(they failed that time, resulting in Karl Rove's fall and the Democrats deciding that BIG TURNOUT is more important than starting fights with their terrible friends.)

Again, we don't care if it's Diebold or Russia, they'd sacrifice their firstborn if they thought it'd help. They committed treason in '68 and '80, we already know they're fascist traitors!

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Sep 3, 2020

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


New Yorp New Yorp posted:

There is no "other side". Space, in the flat earth mythos, does not exist.

Yeah, this makes sense. It's where they get to aquifer depletion and the finite nature of resources that they get absolutely nuts. If you ever get to "you can't know the mind of God" you've hit the "gently caress you" point.

Bucky Fullminster posted:

If we're talking the real original I think we have to go back to Jacob Brafman.

Feels like this started at "Carthago delenda est."

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Twelve by Pies posted:

Oh hey, the Jesuits! I suppose a conspiracy theory that's got a lot of Christian beliefs (or Christian adjacent ones) was bound to bring them up sooner or later. Jack Chick made a few comics about how the Jesuits were responsible for all the evils of the world based on the words of a con man named Alberto Rivera, who claimed the Jesuits were training him to infiltrate Protestant churches and destroy them, and revealed to him that secretly the Catholic Church was responsible for creating Islam, communism, Nazis, the Holocaust, Freemasonry, and were responsible for assassinating Lincoln and Kennedy. Also that the Jesuits were responsible for creating all other Bible translations than the KJV, so you know they're evil.

I do like this part:


Just imagining this person going up to Ben Garrison and saying "You think the Rothschilds are behind the Federal Reserve and World Bank? You poor misguided fool" and shaking their head.

The Jesuits are enemy #1 for spiritual warfare types because they kept detailed records of the inquisition and spiritual warfare people believe in conclusions that over a hundred years of, erm, research do not bear out.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Are we sure he isn't a CTR troll? We had a few paid to post here and they went absolutely apeshit in exactly the same way.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Guavanaut posted:

That probably implies that as much that people claim that every modern conspiracy is thinly reheated Protocols with the targets barely changed, Protocols itself is probably thinly reheated remnants of a previous conspiracy work with same.

It's all anti-Carthaginian blood libel, which is p much the animating force of Christianity from Paul onwards.

BiggerBoat posted:

Not really no but I don't understand gay Republicans at all either.

I'm bi, which is neither here nor there I suppose, but back when I'd get out more and frequent certain social circles, it always astonished me to see how much anti Obama sentiment there was in the gay community, particularly among lesbians. It's anecdotal so it might not mean much but I remember catching a fair amount of poo poo for my tiny Obama button in mostly gay hangouts.

It's tempting to say it has something to do with income levels but most of these people were as broke as I was if not more so. My ex wife's best friend was a lesbian whose partner played in an all girl band so we got out a lot in that crowd and socialized with a lot of gay women. I couldn't chalk it up to racism either given the demographics of my hangouts and the neighborhood I lived in. I've also known a couple of very well off gay men where I guess tax brackets might be a thing for them but I still don't see how that weighs out against belonging to or voting for a party or a subscribing to an ideology that thinks you are a subhuman monster spawned from Satan.

Some gay people actually do have inborn political instincts. Barack Obama pissed people off who were not in a position to forget they were gay again, and they will distrust the opportunist and his followers for the rest of their lives. He was supposed to be safe, he was supposed to be their guy. A more obvious example is Joy Ann Reid or the Satanic Panic AirBNB guy.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Dapper_Swindler posted:

i mean of course they are fine with real predators. i know my gf asked me why they don't care about actual sex monsters or actual child molesters. and honestly i can't word a good answer outside, "they don't actually care about that poo poo, its just an easy insult/etc".

They always go for the grossout imagery when they're trying to make people hate other people. Blood libel and satanism, like all other fascist "beliefs", is only half-believed.

At this point it's traditional though, for all of their enemies. The great western conspiracy theory started with wartime propaganda against the Carthaginians.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 5, 2021

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Kchama posted:

It's pretty likely that the worst stuff attested to Nero was :stdh: because that's just what happened when someone got couped for whatever reason. You either destroyed his name from history or made up as much poo poo about it as possible so no one could ever think he was good. And the big stuff he was hated for was raising taxes to spend money on the poor. He was still popular enough that a bunch of potential claimants to the throne after his suicide called themselves Nero II.

Wouldn't be surprising for Christians to hate him enough to go along with bad-mouthing him.

Nero believed that Christians were telling the truth about the rite of holy communion and treated them like the cannibals they thought they were. Then he had a Christian vivisected and his stomach contents examined before writing a treatise on how it's just crackers and wine.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Even were you to take a devoted QAnonner that's gone past the point of alienating their entire family and flip them around into a backwards them, they'd just go from watching Alex Jones read a copy of Guide to the Technocracy on his show in March of 2016 and thinking "My god, smart people are all satanists, reality is a hologram so I don't have to know things because knowledge and improvement and transcendence=transsexual satan! Thanks Alex Jones!" to being one of those jerks who think the Singularity can only happen under monarchy or whatever.

Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Feb 26, 2021

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Alex Jones did it on air and butchered it for his viewers. It didn't do much because all of the Technocracy's factions are conspiracy theories that already exist. No, the people who actually bought into M:tA's metaphysics are the Dark Enlightenment types.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Since QAnon is just Christianity warmed over, have you seen any ICs become churches?

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Murgos posted:

Can you back this part up?

Because to my individual POV it sure seems like Christian evangelism has become so strong that they can “throw off the cloak of shadows” and display themselves as they truly are.

It doesn’t seem like a desperation play before subsiding into oblivion.

I'll count them out the day they're unable to keep Satanic Panic victims in prison on spectral evidence.

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Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


BiggerBoat posted:

When he gets in trouble and the horrible poo poo he says leads to actual consequences, he's just an entertainer.

When he's selling survivalist crap and supplements on his website or egging on the Capitol rioters, he's legit and speaking truth to power.

Yes. People who try to understand con thought need to understand that they don't think like we do. They're gluing lincoln logs and kinects together.

Stefan Prodan posted:

my opinion is that Alex Jones doesn't truly believe the things he is saying in one sense and that sense is not that he disagrees with any of it but that he's too stupid to actually agree with all the things that follow from the things he says. like, he has wild inconsistencies in his beliefs and he's a huge hypocrite so in that sense he doesn't "believe" what he says, but it's only because he's a moron, I think when he says things he does agree with them at the time he says them.

Yes. These people do not believe in anything. They really don't. If a motherfucker who used to be a New Atheist and is now a Flat Earther asks you how the gently caress it is that math can "prove" anything, you can give the answer, but it will require a boot to the face to make the man listen. You can take these vicious fuckers and correct them, it is actual possible, but you're going to have to break them and putting them together after is not... yeah.

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