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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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thrawn527 posted:

It is rather NES Ninja Gaiden II, now that you mention it. Where you're fighting against Ashtar the entire game, only surprise, Jaquio, the villain you killed in the first game, is back and the actual villain.

Except he's a demonic skeletal dragon for some reason, 3 boss fights in a row no rest.

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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thrawn527 posted:

Wasn't he also a literal wall at some point, too? That game was brutal.

Yeah the final boss goes Jaquio (as you see him from NG1) -> wall -> skeletal dragon.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Vinylshadow posted:

No one is ever truly friendly in a Star Wars forum


i'm tired of these star wars

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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feedmyleg posted:

I think maybe they're referring to Joruus C'baoth? But Marvel didn't do The Last Command, Dark Horse did, so maybe I'm parsing that wrong. If so, then sorry OP, that's on you—reading 90s EU stuff and complaining that it's bad and wrongheaded should not come as a surprise. The more surprising thing is finding something wholly decent.

I don't think anyone would disagree that Baylan is one of the most successful things about Ahsoka, regardless of what you think about the rest of the show. Despite having very little to do and few interesting lines, he's quite the presence.

Well, also, jumping in at the comic book adaptation of the 3rd book of the trilogy

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Bogus Adventure posted:

I'm just tired of people making the Federation, which is meant to be a positive vision of humanity's future, being upheld by secret gestapo forces. It was also written by a 9/11 truther, and the entire movie is riddled with that viewpoint.

That element of the storytelling already existed in Trek and it's Into Darkness that makes that element explicitly villainous. If anything you should be against most of the "best of Trek" and enjoy ID?

Like, doing a false flag wag the dog thing was a pivotal moment for the "good side" in Deep Space Nine.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Bogus Adventure posted:

This is why DS9 is not the best of Trek.

It's TOS and TNG Season 1. Don't @ me, you haters, S1 gave us Q and Ugly Bags of Mostly Water. :colbert:

That's interesting, because the narrative of Into Darkness agrees with you.

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Bogus Adventure posted:

I'd recommend you rewatch Space Seed, unless you have forgotten the order and context of events. They reveal their admiration before Khan tries to seize the Enterprise, showing the folly of romanticizing history's tyrants.

Khan is a heroic character and an antagonist in Into Darkness. These are not mutually exclusive.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Eason the Fifth posted:

JJ poo poo except expanded universe to lure in the deep nerds

I dunno why that would, all it does for me is remind me of what could have and should have been.

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Darko posted:

That's the Suncrusher, and officially when I wrote off the books as a teen.

The Galaxy Gun pre-dates the Suncrusher as a thing that launches energy projectiles through hyperspace to destroy planets. The Suncrusher had to get up close to blow up stars but it was also effectively indestructible.

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Wolfsheim posted:


Since so little of the broader story including the central concept of Anakin as Vader is really present in ANH I don't know if that was really the intention at the time lol

The revenge is against the Empire.

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Blood Boils posted:

"On the holonet, say that I was owned you do not. Tactical withdrawal this is"

... as Yoda shrinks, slightly, into a corncob.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Wolfsheim posted:

Also I'm watching ESB now (impossible to only watch ANH, really) and while this is essentially a perfect film the only PT nonsense that gets in the way a bit is when Yoda and R2D2 are just going HAM at each other when they first meet because they've definitely met before right

Admittedly Yoda is probably as robot racist as the rest of the galaxy and doesn't know or care about the differences between droids but surely R2 is thinking "wow yoda is acting like a stupid dick right now what the hell"

Or maybe Yoda winked at R2 off screen.

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No Mods No Masters posted:

Even in a theoretical non hosed up third film, the third film is also just not really the time to be introducing that sort of character. I find it another small star wars 8 problem that it doesn't really set up new characters besides rose.

I guess also space benicio, if anyone has any ideas at all for where you could go with space benicio

bring space benicio back to hack the first final order death fleet

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Gonz posted:

The only windows in that entire hotel showed a projection of space travel.

And every cabin room had all the charm of a Marine barracks.

And it was so laughably expensive for only two days.

Nobody, at any point during the brainstorming period, all the way up to the funding, the hiring of contractors, and the construction, said “No, this is a terrible idea. We shouldn’t do this. This is like throwing a fortune into a fireplace.”

There was a way to do that hotel experience, to make it affordable for families and not just 48 hours of being amongst hired actors playing Star Wars characters at all times. But Disney decided to do the opposite.

The worst part might be the scheduling. How do you make 2 days of that work in the middle of a 4-5 day vacation? Even if you booked it exactly right the logistics of it fucks up an entire loving day worth of vacation time.

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TheDeadlyShoe posted:

high realism Galactic Starcruiser where stormtroopers bust into your room and take you prisoner

why bother? you're already in a jail cell

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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Halloween Jack posted:

How much money should it cost to act out The Private Life of the Master Race with a busty Twi'lek?

sliding scale based on how busty, how much clothing, and the length of the lekku

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

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I prefer the idea that the ST (poorly) adapted Dark Empire 1+2 and Empire's End, which Lucas ALSO said at some point that was close to his idea of a sequel trilogy.

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Vinylshadow posted:

It's not even subtle

I'm quite aware of what's in those (I've read them, listened to the audiodrama adaptations of them--thanks public libraries!--and eventually tracked down the collections for them) so as I watched the sequels I was well aware of which elements were lifted from Dark Empire wholesale. And I find out eventually that they actually had, for example, world devastators in the concept art.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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The best part is that's already how Vader was known to have come back

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Extra row of tits posted:

I just dont understand how the galaxy at large doesn’t just immediately attack and destroy any force user population.

They are never ever anything but trouble, even after 10 000 generations of peace keeping it took just one to result in untold billions of deaths.

Because all it takes is one Sith ghost you forget to exorcise and you've got a Sith Empire on your hands and you need Jedi to beat them down.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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The thing about that is that it's not some secret trick that only Lucas and Abrams were privy to, it's an assembly line process that all the Disney movies do now (and to an lesser extent, other major studios).

All of the drawbacks and complaints and critiques that you so insightfully identify about the sequel trilogy's "process" apply equally to basically 75% of blockbusters annually by volume.

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

(TLJ goes with the alternative 'twist' that Rey's parents were horribly abusive psychos and the trauma gave her amnesia - which is both dumb and handled gracelessly).

Appropriate, because TLJ is "dumb and handled gracelessly" writ large. I to this day still can't believe we had a "but really, the bad guys are the arms suppliers getting rich" segment in a series of movies bookended by space hitlers destroying entire worlds with the power of the Force and entire stars.

If anything, being an arms supplier is one of the most dangerous and thankless jobs in this galaxy. You're in a fixed location with logistics issues tying you down, the Sith/Empire mostly just seizes your poo poo, no matter who you supply the other side can way more easily bomb you to poo poo as a priority target than you can do anything about it, and there's no real obvious like, "cosmopolitan elite" that can escape planetary annihilation.

Lando! Lando was a generic supplier of ammunition for laser weaponry and would have been exactly the person Rian Johnson was trying to poo poo on for easy culture war points in TLJ. He got his poo poo seized by the Empire.

Mostly Rian Johnson seemed to have been writing a movie for some other setting than Star Wars.

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Schwarzwald posted:

More than that, if you are going to reveal that the real baddies are the people with an economic incentive to prolong the war... then why conclude the movie clarifying that it's almost religiously important that the war never end?

Also you can't loving tell me the First Order went off into the Unknown to regroup but got regular shipments of missiles from motherfucking Incom and Sienar

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Lol, kinda, I guess? But I'm not making up people to get outraged about/for, this is people, scenarios, and power dynamics they actually put on screen.

If anything the other Disney movies make the comparison even worse. Who's the fatcat getting rich that's partying off on another casino world while the Empire is carting off Star Destroyer-sized cargoloads of hyperspace engine fuel and laser crystals? Nobody. The Empire does it because it can.

So the bad guys are only the corporations throwing their support behind the Rebels/Republic/Resistance against Imperial/Sith oppression?

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Halloween Jack posted:

I don't think that these movie are too Online because the writers and directors are too Online. They have people for that. My assumption is that the studio has a bunch of underpaid marketing employees reporting to overpaid marketing experts, and those are the people who get to gangbang the screenwriting and filmmaking process beyond recognition.

Rian Johnson was his own script writer, to close that loop. And we're given to understand that TFA and TLJ had relatively lax oversight from the "experts"

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YggdrasilTM posted:

I always find funny when people mistake the protagonist words for the author opinions.

Almost as much as when people mistake the antagonist words for the author opinions.

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Halloween Jack posted:

There's a slapstickery to some of the violence that's not like the OT, like Rey just whacking Finn in the head with a metal pole.

Also, nerdy quibble: Didn't Chewie shoot people in the OT? I don't remember his bowcaster being like a grenade launcher. If the recoil's the same as any other gun, why doesn't everybody use one?

He uses it like twice ever in the OT, and one time at a fairly long distance. He probably kills more stormtroopers by tossing them or shooting them with a stormtrooper blaster rifle in ESB.

E: in fact the two only look similar, nothing says it was the same original bowcaster.

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
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Blood Boils posted:

Probably wasn't the original golden dice (that han loved so much!) either

Explicitly fake.

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Kinda surprising given the weird little freak has by far been the best received thing about Disney's Star Wars.

like with real babies (I kid, I kid) he stopped being so well received once he started moving around

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Hemp Knight posted:

Then how do you explain Yaddle (female yoda from Ep1), smart guy?

Also a male Yoda, just not a bald one

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feedmyleg posted:

I think it's worth considering that Lucas seemed to become a bit of a cynic over the course of his life and career. Even though he was very politically-aware and anti-war as a young man, the purity of wisdom he imagines Yoda having seems like the optimism of a young man. Making a figure of purported sage wisdom into a hypocritical warmonger and violent warrior seems like the cynicism of a left-leaning man who burnt all that optimism away over decades of bitter social and political disillusionment.

Does it? Or does it retroactively make the OT even more optimistic?

That's what I hate about current Star Wars media though, just wallowing in bitter social and political disillusionment.

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Karen Traviss is an actual vile chud with horrible ideas and having her poo poo be laundered into Star Wars is truly one of the worst things to ever happen in low stakes nerd poo poo.

Honestly this is still ongoing! This whole Mandalorian poo poo is Karen Traviss's brainchild

Although at least right now the regular Mandos are Fett level chumps instead of Fett level super soldiers.

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No Mods No Masters posted:

The lowest common denominator pitch for the rey film is surely for it to be the dark empire 2 to star wars 9's dark empire 1. Bing bong, so simple

SW9 is already the conclusion to Dark Empire, Empire's End. We're already pulled over, we can't pull over any further.

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DeimosRising posted:

y'know, what the gently caress was adams talking about here. how would that make any difference to your capacity to...see zebras?

zebra crossing is where white stripes are painted across a pedestrian crossing in the middle of a road, not sure how this contributes to a pedestrian getting killed when they're already at a crossing, but then I don't get British "humor"

e: maybe he was also missing a towel, who knows

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

whereas the heroes are all smiling and hugging and telling eachother how great they are. Lobotomized ‘power of friendship’ stuff. “Never underestimate a droid!”

Or how the power of love can destroy a death star super laser. Well yes, it did do that in the OT, but there were a loving bunch of steps in-between!

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Except George Lucas was very clear that the Force was the Light Side and that the Dark are an imbalance to be corrected.

This was no corporate intervention--the Lucas licensing people didn't give half a poo poo about what was being put down on paper nearly the entire time.

The entire arc and plot of Legacy of the Force came out of a drug-hazed binge between Troy "I gently caress bugs" Denning and Karen "Grenade my womb" Traviss. The extent of corporate interference upon the series at that time was Del Rey books going "wait you want to do what? Oh ok"

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Jehde posted:

I loved the "Making Magic" behind the scenes CD that came with my box set of Dark Forces, Rebel Assault, Xwing vs TIE fighter, and demo disc of Jedi Knight. It was about the 1997 special edition changes, so it coloured my outlook on those a fair bit. At the time I thought the new CGI was cool.

Young me was fine with the changes until Jedi Rocks.

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