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James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Powershift posted:

You completely lack empathy. You know what it is because you're willing to fake it from time to time but can't maintain the appearance for more than 2 or 3 posts in a row. That might be a gift in this lovely world, but it makes you come off as the rear end in a top hat in every discussion. That combined with skin so loving thin you can't be called out on it means you're going to be told to gently caress off, a lot. And you should, So gently caress off.

Speaking of empathy, I websurfed my way across this earlier Wednesday, only gave it about a 60% skim and didn't look up backing data since I was busy, could be fun though:

The End Of Empathy

quote:

But he failed to tune in to a critical shift in American culture — one that a handful of researchers have been tracking, with some alarm, for the past decade or so. Americans these days seem to be losing their appetite for empathy, especially the walk-a-mile-in-someone's-shoes Easter Sunday morning kind.

When I was growing up in the '70s, empathy was all the rage. The term was coined in 1908; then, social scientists and psychologists started more aggressively pushing the concept into the culture after World War II, basically out of fear. The idea was that we were all going to kill each other with nuclear weapons — or learn to see the world through each other's eyes. In my elementary school in the 1970s, which was not progressive or mushy in any way, we wrote letters to pretend Russian pen pals to teach us to open our hearts to our enemies.

And not just enemies. Civil rights activists had also picked up on the idea. Kenneth Clark, a social scientist and civil rights activist, half-jokingly proposed that people in power all be required to take an "empathy pill" so they could make better decisions. His hope was that people with power and privilege would one day inhabit the realities of people without power, not from the safe, noblesse oblige distance of pity, but from the inside. An evolved person was an empathetic person, choosing understanding over fear.

Then, more than a decade ago, a certain suspicion of empathy started to creep in, particularly among young people. One of the first people to notice was Sara Konrath, an associate professor and researcher at Indiana University. Since the late 1960s, researchers have surveyed young people on their levels of empathy, testing their agreement with statements such as: "It's not really my problem if others are in trouble and need help" or "Before criticizing somebody I try to imagine how I would feel if I were in their place."

Konrath collected decades of studies and noticed a very obvious pattern. Starting around 2000, the line starts to slide. More students say it's not their problem to help people in trouble, not their job to see the world from someone else's perspective. By 2009, on all the standard measures, Konrath found, young people on average measure 40 percent less empathetic than my own generation — 40 percent!

It's strange to think of empathy – a natural human impulse — as fluctuating in this way, moving up and down like consumer confidence. But that's what happened. Young people just started questioning what my elementary school teachers had taught me.

Their feeling was: Why should they put themselves in the shoes of someone who was not them, much less someone they thought was harmful? In fact, cutting someone off from empathy was the positive value, a way to make a stand.

The "So much for the tolerant left!" joke writes itself. But seriously, seemed like it might actually be interesting. Timeline for change to trend is also rather 9/11 clash of civilizations-ish. (Also 2009 is a while ago now - did the trend reverse?)


...
2009 is last year because they published in 2010, bit of a story rehash there by NPR.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-empathy-gap/201006/the-end-empathy posted:

Recently Fox News covered our study on declining empathy in American college students with this alarming title: "The End of Empathy."

Is this true? Are we now living in a society entirely devoid of the basic glue of human connection and interaction?

[...]

The good news is that empathy is not "destroyed" or "under siege," as the author of the Fox News post suggests. Instead, empathy may be sick. Not "you have 6 months to live" sick, more like "you need to spend a few days in bed" sick. In other words, although there has been a decline in empathy, there are a few key things to consider about the data before declaring a state of emergency on the moral health of the nation.

Why this is not a total crisis:
3) American college students are not the most prototypical Americans. They are richer, whiter, more female.
[...]

Not a total crisis because, among other reasons, it's possibly due to sampling including more women than before? Oh fun!

Here's a survey they used along the way, you can look and/or compare yourself to the study.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Apr 18, 2019

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James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

vyelkin posted:

I find it very interesting that you read "around 2000 the line starts to slide and by 2009 college students are 40% less empathetic than previous generations" and your response is "so much for the tolerant left" instead of "this is the result of a generation being raised by extreme individualistic capitalism". Students between 2000 and 2009 aren't even old enough to have grown up on social media (reminder that Facebook didn't even exist until 2004 and wasn't public until 2006, which is the same year Twitter launched) so you can't blame it on that. Instead, that's the generation born in the 80s and 90s under Reagan and Thatcher and Clinton and Blair and, in Canada, Mulroney/Chretien, who grew up being told that there's no such thing as society and greed is good and the only thing that matters is making as much money as possible and gently caress everybody else.

The "tolerant left" thing was a joke - I think most of the blame falls on the right, particularly the post-9/11 neoconservative ascendancy and the tea party movement. The combination of "gently caress the Other" and the lost sense of "we're all on the same side here" hit their stride there.

The timeline really suggests to me that the first class to enter university after the Bush/Gore election "fun" had a little less generalized kumbaya, and that 9/11 did nothing help the cause. Simultaneously, the internet had established enough reach that people really could start doing the "news from sources slanted my way" thing and kick off their own version of the two solitudes. The pre-social media blogosphere was rather superior (<-- understatement) to what replaced it insofar as political idiocy stayed on the political ones and uninformed comment was both a minority because people had to seek the content out themselves, it wasn't pushed at them, and also completely ignored. Fox News hadn't really hit its stride until the early 2000s... Rush Limbaugh had taken over talk radio in the 90s, but that's simply not what the kids are/were listening to, though they would presumably get a bit second hand from their parents.

I don't think it's reasonable to blame Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney for a change that began to occur a solid decade after they left power. The experience/upbringing of people who were ten years old in 1990 and people who were eight years old was not materially different, yet the change begins to hit the eight year olds (when they arrive in college at 18) and grows from there. That smells more like a reaction to the coinciding events I mention above and the changes in society that followed... Not something that festered silently for a decade before abruptly metastasizing.

Toalpaz posted:

Re:end of the empathy

I too am served those Firefox articles.

I worry about reading them because it's such a massive platform that they just gave themselves, and it's supposed to be a browser not a news aggregater that I signed up for.

You're right, that *is* where that one came from. I have those turned off on most (but not all) computers I use, and I do click the odd story on the one that still has it.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I have an electric car, it's pretty great. Payback time in decreased fuel and maintenance is pretty quick, too - just a few years, and that's even without ascribing any time saving value to the HOV lane access.

Hydro Quebec put out a PDF that shows how long it took to come out ahead on hybrid and EV by model... before the addition of the federal subsidy.

For most cars, it was 2-4 years... Even faster now in BC/QC.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I can believe that a lot more people play rugby at school than hockey or football. Equipment costs, education budgets, etc.

(Says a guy who got a concussion high jumping, whose brother got one from a shot put ... But hockey injuries actually have hospitalized both of us a couple times each.)

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Baronjutter posted:

I've never been on a flight where people loving clapped on landing. I could get that if it was like an emergency landing or the weather was crazy with the plane landing sideways in a crosswind, but just a normal ol' landing???

It usually happens when you have a bunch of drunk people arriving at either a party/homecoming destination. Not so much on the local short hauls.

However, even airplane clapping is less stupid than movie theater clapping at some random regular showing. Nobody who had *anything* to do with the movie can hear you!

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Big green vote partly because the greens absolutely cratered in the provincial by-election and the people who really wanted to vote green there but went NDP strategically (because government was on the line) are making up for it now that the pressure is off.

Greens are gonna have a good election in the fall in BC and perhaps nationwide, boosted by a lot of Liberals holding their nose. Kinda like how they did provincially.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
New Green MP's fraught history with the NDP over Israel paved the way for his election


https://vancouversun.com/news/politics/new-green-mps-fraught-history-with-the-ndp-over-israel-paved-the-way-for-his-election/wcm/a3af0c1c-8f1e-4b9e-9ab4-629a384e9d60 posted:

Paul Manly’s decisive victory for the Greens on Vancouver Island in the Nanaimo-Ladysmith byelection may never have happened but for his long, fraught history with the NDP. That party rejected him as a potential candidate in 2014, allegedly over comments related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But despite their own sensitivities with that topic, the Greens took him on for the 2015 election.

At the last federal contest Manly stood as a Green candidate and lost to the party he originally wanted to represent — the party of his father, who had served as an NDP MP in the 1980s and, in 2012, found himself detained in Israel. It was defending his father that Manly had made the offending comments.

[...]

According to his public comments Manly has maintained that the NDP rejected him for petty political reasons, not because he said anything about Israel that violated its policies. The Green Party and NDP did not provide comment for this story before deadline, but at the time, a spokesman for the NDP said “issues” had arisen during its “confidential” vetting process.

“I have done nothing illegal or immoral, nothing that I am embarrassed about or which breaks the NDP constitution. The reason my candidacy is being blocked is political,” Manly wrote in an announcement on his Facebook page June 30, 2014.


On the other hand, any other half decent Green candidate would have won too so it's not like this mattered.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Caring about the environment is pretty high in Maslow's hierarchy of needs... Until it isn't.

Oops, too late.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
He's retiring from the SCC at 59-60 which is rather early. Likely has a serious health issue.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

vyelkin posted:

oh sure but the question was about places that are nice to drive through and it's a gorgeous part of the country as long as you don't mind only ever eating in family diners and sleeping in lovely motels.

We're nearing the day that most of those 50s motor inns that predate affordable commercial air travel are going to be go from "quaint but pretty iffy" to "flat out unlivable"... Or are we already there?

Rental RVs will be the only way to do domestic vacations through the hinterland... And I dunno how many of you have driven those, but boy do they have crappy gas mileage. Lots of room for big old batteries, though... Need an EV RV, once the charging infrastructure is there.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
So wait, now we're using math to make fun of the people who think two floods equals climate change and not just some fluke, right?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The BC public inquiry shall henceforth be named "the committee to reelect the premier", given the secondary (primary?) targets are all BC Liberal politicians.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

mashed_penguin posted:

Given the rightwing bc libs seem to out corrupt the federal libs I'm ok with that.

Yeah, should be fun. Though I doubt it can do much about the corruption within law enforcement, the top level direction has been patently obvious and patently ridiculous... Yet the Liberals *still* nearly won the last election.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

incontinence 100 posted:

So what's your real talk take on money laundering?

Eliminate cash so that all transactions require a paper trail, and tax gift income from out of country beyond some reasonably low threshold, possibly averaging over a multiyear window.

(And spare me the "access" issue re: digital money, where there's a will there's a way.)

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

JawKnee posted:

:lol: you're delusional

The only people who really hate this idea are tax evaders and, like, 70 year olds who have a libertarian "hands off my money government!" streak that likely also involves tax evasion. I believe you bartend part time, so what percentage of your tips do you report?

(You naturally know full well that tap payments and a big touchscreen button to do a tip work perfectly well. Good thing BC only just made it illegal roughly.. a week ago..? for employers to steal the tips they can get their hands on.)


Bars are, of course, one of the very easiest places to launder money without getting caught. You just pour booze down the sink or otherwise disappear it to make your inventory agree with all the extra (fake) cash sales that have been rung in. Just need enough legitimate traffic that your fraud isn't 10x what a reasonable volume might be for your customer counts.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Rime posted:

I seriously and 100% want to do this, but the greens in Canada are far too hosed to ever be of use. We need to leverage this populist groundswell to create a hard left green movement with a strong socialist foundation, to counteract the hard-right wave which is washing over the country and to prepare us for the shitshow of the 2030's.

But I don't have the loving money to start a political party, it's like $50,000 up front and then some fascist loving goon such as Swagger would dig up my probations from 2014 and dump them to the National Post.

Why do you think it takes 50,000 up front?

As best I can tell there's basically a requirement for 250+ signed members, ~4 officers, and audited annual financials. Accountants shouldn't run that much and theoretically that could be provided by sympathizers.

Then there are election deposits but that's only 1500 or so (going from memory there, though.)

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I think it's important to note that the Greens don't actually have much of an organization full of careerists who are continually updating that platform and that it's largely a copy and paste job that's been rolling forward for a couple decades, hence strangely looking a couple decades behind the times.

Someone called out their indigenous policy as being full of contradictions as a few old white guy stand-bys like "Abolish the Indian Act within ten years" sit there beside:

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/05/14/Greens-Need-To-Fix-Indigenous-Vision/ posted:

At the same time the Green Party proposes to unilaterally abolish the Indian Act, it also promises to “fully implement” the recommendations of the 1996 Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples. A policy which contradicts the overthrow of the Indian Act, because as the commission states: “we do not suggest tinkering with the Indian Act.”

And, again, that's the 1996 recommendations. There's a UN declaration of what?

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
So this is going back a while but I believe I was probated when I made this observation to some friends (in a chat window I just stumbled across) during BC's electoral reform referendum:

Basically, you had to fill out your date of birth on the outer ballot envelope for it to be valid.

The referendum took place very late 2018.

18 year olds are allowed to vote.

The ballot envelopes came with a prefilled "19" in the year of birth.

Did they ruthlessly disqualify ballots from 18 year olds or let "creativity" slide?

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Provincially in BC too.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Engineer a party name that works with the acronym PANIC and run with it.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

RBC posted:

lol the truck section

gently caress everyone with a truck

Light trucks as a vehicle class presumably includes all SUVs, all minivans, most CUVs. In absolute numbers there are quite possibly more of these on the road than "cars" by now anyway, making emissions roughly proportionate.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
So, slight surge that may not be sustainable due to the new federal subsidy, but electric vehicles (and plugin hybrids) are running at about 13% of all new car sales in BC for May 2019. The provincial government's goal for 2025 is 10%.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/20/bc-electric-vehicle-orders/

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv.action?pid=2010000101#timeframe

(I'm factoring in a small drop in units sold in 2019 since that was the trend in every month earlier in the year - housing wealth effect fading?)

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

RBC posted:

kraftwerk why don't you tell us what kind of job forces you to commute to 4 different cities on a regular basis. That's weird as gently caress and it's also weird as gently caress that you somehow believe this is representative of a lot of other people. It isn't because there are things that exist like telephones and the internet.

This is my favorite "class conciousness" post in the last few pages. Who the hell works at more than one physical location indeed? Why don't you just have your remote telepresence swing that hammer, comrade?

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The city of Penticton, BC, has come up with an interim (not final!) solution for their homeless problem.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-sitting-and-sleeping-on-downtown-sidewalks-could-net-100-fine-in/ posted:

Sitting and sleeping on some downtown sidewalks could be banned in Penticton, B.C., this summer as part of the city’s plan to crack down on loitering.

Councillors have voted 5-2 in favour of amending the Good Neighbourhood Bylaw, giving police and bylaw officers the power to hand out tickets for $100 fines.

[...]

Bylaw services supervisor Tina Siebert told council the approach is meant to be minimally restrictive and her staff tries to “balance the heart with the hammer” in its dealings with people.

One of the councillors who voted against was very concerned that bylaw enforcement might run wild and ticket people sitting as they watched the annual parade.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

incontinence 100 posted:

We've actually got two hydrogen fueling stations in the lower mainland which is 2 more than the rest of this country.

Good luck charging your Tesla when the company implodes later this year.

The infrastructure costs for hydrogen/gas are something else...

These two links are Natural Resources Canada grants for "alternative energy" fueling given out in the recent past/present, and you'll note that each hydrogen/natural gas station runs a solid million bucks, versus electric fast chargers at about 50k each.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/alternative-fuels/fuel-facts/ecoenergy/19464
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/alternative-fuels/fuel-facts/ecoenergy/21738

It's not like Tesla's infrastructure automatically disappears if/when the company goes bankrupt. Shareholders will get wiped out but someone else such as existing debt holders will pick it up and run it just fine with none of those pesky inconvenient debt/warranty/"free for life" obligations.

I wonder what percentage of all the fibre laid during the dot com boom has been lit, here in 2019. Probably still a fairly small amount.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
You can pay a handful of Filipinos $300/mo to look after nuclear reactors, right?

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Kindest Forums User posted:

I just don't loving get it. It makes no sense. Why the gently caress do we build more refining capacity when it already exists elsewhere? What the gently caress is the point (in the context of a capitalist globalized economy). How the gently caress do we benefit from it? The pay-off for these projects won't be till like at least 2030. It makes no god drat sense. Like what the gently caress.

For a prospective member of the Communist Party of Canada, you sure appear to be buying into the free trade rhetoric on this one. Shouldn't those dollars be kept at home, creating jobs for our fellow countrymen to build, maintain, and administrate this infrastructure rather than putting a few more dollars in the pockets of capital for the sake of efficiency? Should we not assure our own economic independence so that we are not held hostage by foreign interests after the revolution and subsequent nationalizations?

If British Columbia is following the right path by restricting the use of land to assure provincial food security lest those uppity Albertans decide to cut off trade and drown themselves in grain silos, surely on a national level increasing refinery capacity and doing a better job at emissions recapture than refineries in third world states such as Mississippi can only be a good thing.

(Also 2030 is only 10.5 years away - a blink of an eye! But I imagine the payback is actually longer or else it would likely actually be a good idea. We're simply not going to fully decarbonize that quickly.)

Our banks and telecommunications companies are our beloved national treasures. Surely our refineries would join them!

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Plenty of places quite happy to do overtime at straight pay that instead institute an absolute ban on it when it's required to be paid at time and a half.

So for the worker, it's not a choice between $1000 and $1500, it's $1000 and $0. (Like mentioned re: minimum wage, go figure.)

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

cowofwar posted:

Everyone complains about their benefits but no one would ever trade position.

100% of my nieces and nephews are indigenous for the purpose of benefits and such, I kinda wish my kids qualified too. Just a matter of slightly different spouse selection, we all grew up together.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jun 3, 2019

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The housing crisis is a function of immigration, immediate negative population growth would fix it in a hurry.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

flakeloaf posted:

Canada can absorb 300,000 people a year just fine, as long as 270,000 of them don't all decide they want to live in Brampton.

But that's the thing, there's no reason for immigrants to go to some useless backwater, whereas with natural population "growth", new people are distributed proportionally into places that already have sufficient housing and services, and migration toward the major urban centers is at a rate that can actually be handled with ease what with all those family and community ties holding people near their point of origin.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

vyelkin posted:

If I were NDP leader my telecoms proposal would be to establish a crown corporation national telecomms company to ruthlessly drive prices down through competition, thus also proving that the public sector can be far more efficient than private businesses because it can be designed from top to bottom to maximize benefit for the customer instead of maximizing profit.

Although our former crown corporation telecom companies were even more broadly hated than their private successors...

I think the root of telecom rage is basically tax rage, but for people who don't pay taxes yet. $10/mo of excess profits... Save us Jagmeet!

James Baud fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 10, 2019

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Self censorship of indirect doxxing material. ;)

James Baud fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Jun 11, 2019

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Just another day's news in BC:

https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/1138390381161308160?s=19

https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/1138435599248035841?s=19

https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/1138469895853813763?s=19

Liberal MP, but I'm pretty sure I remember this guy running for Reform back in the day and getting a bunch of press for crossing the floor... so he gets around.

James Baud fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 11, 2019

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
"We're gonna save the earth by taking all the dirty oil out of it and burning it up, it'll be like when celebrities used to helicopter up to oil spills to help clean the birds!"

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The only other names on the short list were also similarly tainted though:

- Great Leap Forward (lol, "Leap Manifesto", I just noticed the first half)
- New Deal
- The Final Solution
- The Shining Path

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I dunno, with five ministers there it has to be some sort of decision they really want to own whole-heartedly

Maybe, in light of recent popular opinion polls, they're calling off the election and simply not going to have one ever again. Soldiers behind the ministers, etc.

It *was* an election promise!

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

HookShot posted:

It's not new, it was already known back when I was in high school like 12-15 years ago.

This is based on more than "ew, naked old guy on cover of magazine" conjecture?

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Rime posted:

Today I sincerely and deeply understand why Avshalom ate her original perma.

I can't even type coherently right now.

Quite frankly this entirely predictable announcement pales beside "federal carbon tax stops going up in a couple years" when it comes to harmful environmental impact.

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James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Indeed, MMT. Not content with stealing mere slogans from depression era America, let's steal Weimar Germany's responsible approach to government finances.

(Not that we need to worry about the NDP winning.)

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