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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Tibalt posted:Can't we find a more inclusive term? People of Orb.
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Z. Autobahn posted:But he'll let Bernie do it? Bernie won't just shrug and go "whelp guess there's nothing I can do about it," which is in large part the point of building an actual popular movement while running for office (and not discarding it the picosecond you're in office).
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Jul 7, 2019 20:12
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Z. Autobahn posted:So no justices get approved in either scenario, but in the Bernie one, there's some inspiring rhetoric for his base. Got it. Seismic difference. It's appallingly telling that your first instinct upon hearing it suggested that a politician could continue to cooperate with and function within the popular mass movement that got him elected is to dismiss same as just "inspiring rhetoric." I'll further spell things out, since you're quite thick and apparently need the helping hand here: A Bernie presidency will see a quantum leap in social activism and popular agitation that, while it might not personally threaten McConnell's own seat, will absolutely threaten that of other Republicans and, at least as importantly, collaborationist Dems. Encouraged by an activist president, who unlike Biden or anyone else we could mention wouldn't immediately fall victim to decorum poisoning or a desperate, blind desire to be seen as bipartisan, this will also cause economic disruption in the form of mass protests and strikes that hit at the bottom lines of those donors, who though they'd surely prefer a fascist police state to keep the hoi polloi in line, will settle for leaning on their puppets to confirm some drat judges so things might quiet down again. And no, before you strawman this into it, this is not to say any of this will happen over night or without significant struggle, nor would it necessarily be wholly successful, but if for once in our lives a president actually sided actively with this, if Obama had actually walked a picket line like he said he would but mysteriously failed to do, think of the weight that'd lend to things actually getting better for loving once. It emphatically would not just be "insipiring rhetoric", you dismissive rear end. Z. Autobahn posted:I've literally explained on this page why voting for Bernie is wildly better than voting for Biden. You might give some thought, then, to why so many posters believe you to be insincere on that point.
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Jul 7, 2019 21:16
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Z. Autobahn posted:If Bernie genuinely created a popular mass movement, I'd be inclined to agree. He's currently limping into fourth in most polls and falling. What I see isn't a popular mass movement, but a fractional passionate base with a low ceiling. We weren't talking about his odds, we were talking about how he'd accomplish anything once in office, though given that things were getting sticky for you I can see why you'd try to shift the narrative. If Bernie was elected, necessarily it would be with a popular mass movement behind him because he's Bernie and that's how he has always and will always operate, and to somehow believe that President Bernie, who again you yourself brought up as being powerless to get anything past Archfiend McConnell, wouldn't bring that weapon to bear early and often demonstrates either a deep misunderstanding of who he is and what he stands for, or considerable dishonesty about same. quote:Because of a reductivist binary mentality that unless a poster sees Bernie as Divine Socialist Godking they must be a craven centrist spy? Or, and stay with me here because this is tricky, it's because you mouth support for Bernie whenever called on it but then immediately go back to finding fault with his candidacy in every possible fashion, interpret his position in the worst imaginable light, and in most other ways act like the living incarnation of "better things aren't possible" centrism.
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Jul 7, 2019 21:35
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:There is deep institutional resistance to any leftist candidacy - you realize this, right? He not only realizes that, but is counting on it.
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Jul 7, 2019 21:52
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Tibalt posted:Citizen Sanders promoting himself to Emperor. First Consul.
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Jul 8, 2019 13:52
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The Glumslinger posted:Lol, did people not have taste buds in the 70s? By midwest standards, that's practically Michelin star.
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Jul 9, 2019 17:36
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Majorian posted:Read John Locke. He's pretty unambiguous about his version of liberalism protecting the privilege and wealth of a select few. I think part of the problem is that people in general, and Brandor in particular, are projecting modern interpretations of terms backward onto their prior or original forms (and in Brandor's case once again trying to shoehorn universalist definitions into places they don't belong). Liberalism, and liberty itself for that matter, were widely understood to be exclusive (ie the prerogative of the quality, or at best just to Europeans) rather than inclusive (ie universal to all humanity) when 17th/18th century thinkers were working them into the western corpus of thought, and both they and modern liberals are miles away from what classical philosophers argued about them.
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Jul 11, 2019 19:35
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The biggest problem I see with linking college degrees with job qualifications is that it turns higher education into glorified job training (which conveniently pushing the expenses of same off of employers and onto the universities themselves), which is emphatically not what that exists to do.
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Jul 15, 2019 18:14
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Main Paineframe posted:The funniest part is that while Biden is up there telling seniors how Medicare For All will kill cancer patients, the Biden Cancer Initiative is shutting down as a direct result of Biden's presidential campaign. If I remember right, that organization didn't give grants or actually do anything to measurably combat cancer in the first place, but rather was yet another way to funnel dark money and patronage.
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Jul 15, 2019 23:59
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Ubiquitous_ posted:The way she manhandled Dave Rubin on the Rubin Report automatically earned her some of my respect. Not enough to vote for her, but she's way more intelligent than she comes off as. Not meaning any insult to her, but "capable of outsmarting Dave Rubin" is a pretty low bar to clear.
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Jul 18, 2019 22:20
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Faustian Bargain posted:Just caught a Tucker segment at the gym where he's jacking himself off over  Gripweed posted:I also expect a lot of attacks on Sanders. That first night is stacked with shitheads. They'll try to do the same thing Hillary did and claim Bernie is just promising magical ponies and the like. It won't go over any better this time, because despite what centrists would have you believe, "improvement that barely outpaces continental drift is the best we can ever do, and that rarely" is not a winning platform.
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Jul 19, 2019 04:07
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Majorian posted:I think that would be true if candidates like Castro and Booker didn't so clearly need this to be a win for them. But while Biden will probably draw first blood on himself, the other candidates are going to swoop in to get a piece of him before anyone else does. I could see Booker deciding to use his time to try to attack Bernie in absentia given his recent inexplicable comment on Bernie talking money he wouldn't, and the fact that he's quite dumb.
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Jul 19, 2019 04:11
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theblackw0lf posted:Mayor Pete hired former Goldman Sachs exec for National Policy Director Man, just witness the powers of ~*systems thinking*~ on display here.
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Jul 20, 2019 01:10
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Au contraire I think guillotining the Sackler family would probably solve a lot of problems, as we'd apparently live in a society where we guillotine entire families when they harm the rest of us with their aristocratic bullshit. Now, I know, usually the death penalty does not work well as a deterrent but, in this case, I suspect we might find an exception, and I think it's worth the price in human lives (opioid oligarch lives, that is) to find out. I demanded the abolition of capital punishment in the National Constituent Assembly! But you who never thought this mercy pardonable, by what fatality are you reminded of your humanity to plead the cause of the greatest of criminals? You ask an exception from the punishment of death for him who alone could render it legitimate! A dethroned king in the very heart of a Republic not yet cemented! A king, whose very name draws foreign war on the nation! Neither prison nor exile can make his an innocent existence. It is with regret I pronounce the fatal truth: Louis must perish rather than 100,000 virtuous citizens! Louis must perish because our country must live.
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Jul 20, 2019 17:35
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Marxalot posted:https://twitter.com/MiseryXchord/status/1152695868648112130 It will, particularly as Seven Days has had it in for Bernie since at least 2016 and go out of their way to paint him in the worst possible light. Last month they ran a frontpage article about how Bernie was basically Wayne Pierre's alter-ego and only ever got elected to office with the gun lobby's support (it may surprise you to learn that that's not true!).
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Jul 21, 2019 03:25
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a.lo posted:If … Well this should be good.
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Jul 21, 2019 21:56
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Flopsy posted:Do you genuinely think independents are going to turn out for somebody who openly identifies as a socialist which republicans are successfully using as a national boogieman? Like there's an incredible amount of purity wank in this thread and it's so extreme I can't tell what real and what's parody here. To return to this even though by all appearances Flopsy has moonwalked out the thread, there is no candidate the Democrats could run, or indeed even exist, that the GOP won't immediately and constantly scream is the most socialest socialist since Joseph Stalin.* The proper thing to do, and which Bernie is almost uniquely suited to do, is to blaze ahead embracing the idea that socialist policy is good and trumpet how it will make life better for people, without the cringing apology, servile bootlicking, or desperate handwaving Dems always loving try to do to make the imagined stink come off and get those magical moderate Republicans who are real and exist come over to their side. Gripweed posted:His folksy Scrantonism doesn't exist. Biden is a very uncharismatic speaker, and he's not very good at appearing empathetic His attempts so to do more often come off as condescending. *Rather than kick off the nth iteration of "was Stalin actually a true socialist," just imagine I cited some other historical leader of a communist nation here if that's put a bug up your rear end.
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Jul 25, 2019 18:14
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Multiple candidates have that tack now. Of the lot of them, maybe one (Warren) is even partially sincere in those beliefs, and even she'd water them the gently caress down the minute it hit any resistance (if not beforehand).
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Jul 26, 2019 15:50
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Condiv posted:i dunno about that Yeah, I suspect he'll telegraph a really clumsy attack on her, trip over his own feet, and suffer for it. All while the Booker and the various no-hopers pigpile him in attempts to get The One Zinger of the night.
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Jul 28, 2019 02:46
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mcmagic posted:What makes you think he hates her? He wanted her to run in 2016. How, how do people keep falling for this?
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Jul 28, 2019 04:00
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Main Paineframe posted:Great news, everyone! Kamala Harris has seen the negative feedback on her "partial student loan forgiveness for black entrepreneurs in disadvantaged neighborhoods if their business survives for three years" plan, so she came back to clear up our worries. I could see this being the thing Biden attempts to pounce on.
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Jul 29, 2019 02:33
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Neoliberals genuinely think the strings attached make it more impressive. "Heh, these prudent provisions will make it clear this isn't just another tax-and-spend handout and prevent the Republicans attacking my policy as socialist!" *The Republicans immediately call it another tax-and-spend handout and attack it as socialist*
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Jul 29, 2019 13:47
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Groovelord Neato posted:harris is quickly overtaking biden in who's worse. biden's poo poo but at least he's out there with his poo poo harris says one thing then does the opposite. calling her plan medicare for all, that aipac poo poo. it's almost weirder she has huge fans than if biden did. Harris' whole thing is to try to do the "pragmatic progressive who gets things done" role, but successfully this time. It's hardly surprising she's transparently disingenuous about basically everything.
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Aug 1, 2019 14:04
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Uncle Wemus posted:So just what exactly is how going to do as president? "Get things back to normal" ie do nothing of consequence.
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Aug 1, 2019 21:02
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Jaxyon posted:It's very important that I explain why people who feel a certain way about a thing have incorrect feelings and are in fact secret Republicans who hate M4A. Have you considered a career in film, because you're projecting like a motherfucker.
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Terror Sweat posted:The FBI investigated Bernie's Sander's wife for some bullshit already They investigated Jane based on rumors spread by Trump's VT campaign manager.
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