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I've registered just for this thread's last page to tell you all to read Jack Brewer's The Grays Have Been Framed which details the abuse of supposed abductees by their (sometimes unlicensed) therapists, and his blog The UFO Trail. Some juicy details of an "abductee" led to a regression on a restricted beach on the Pensacola Naval Base in FL. And if you're not familiar with the saga of Paul Bennewitz and Air Force Intelligence agent Richard Doty, google that now. Long story short, the entire modern UFO mythos of underground bases and crashed saucer tech is based on USAF disinfo to cover up stealth/drone/laser pulse communication tech, which folds into the ongoing "Disclosure" grift by guys like DeLonge and Steven Greer. This all IMO also connects to the frivolous "Satanism" acted out by Epstein types, transgressive/pseudo mystic bullshit reveling in their untouchable power.
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2021 05:37 |
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# ¿ May 10, 2024 21:57 |
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Tubgoat posted:I had no idea the Rubbles were an homage to this couple. Wow. Richard Doty would have Air Force personnel break into Paul Bennewitz's home to mess up his pots and pans to make him think the aliens were loving with him. Not taking anything, just dumping his poo poo to let him know he'd been rumbled. Bennewitz thought he was intercepting alien signals, which were actually laser pulse interceptions of Soviet satellite communiques by the USAF. For fear of Bennewitz blabbing too much about his findings, Doty led him on a wild goose chase to the now-mythical "Dulce Base" in New Mexico.
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2021 05:49 |
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Zook posted:gotta understand how successful the jared ad campaign was for subway, they literally tripled their profits Back before he was exposed as a chomo there was a "wacky news" piece about how Jared was the porn king of his college dorm: https://www.tmz.com/2007/05/10/jared-the-subway-guy-college-porno-king/ quote:Today, he's Jared Fogel the friendly Subway guy. To scores of Indiana U. students back when, he was their in-dorm porno-rental superstore. Eat fresh! Now it just makes me wonder what kind of porn he was renting out.
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2021 23:01 |
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Tubgoat posted:So no aliens, just sociopathic child rapists that are genetically-indistinguishable from homo sapiens? Sorry to jump back to UFOs but this post jogged my memory. Richard Doty wasn't the only USAF man promoting belief in alien UFOs in the 1980s. Retired Colonel Wendelle C. Stevens was the American promoter for Swiss contactee/saucer cultist Billy Meier, publishing large format collections of Meier's saucer photos and using his military background and time as an APRO investigator in Tucson to lend credence to Meier's claims of contact with space intelligences. At one point he had the world's largest private collection of purported UFO images, with over 5,000 in his archive. He was also a convicted child molester. Now, maybe this was unrelated to his work promoting a flying saucer cult for American audiences ... maybe. But it brings to mind Jacques Vallee's writings on the potential use of saucer cults as laboratories for intelligence work. Meier of course held that Stevens had been set up and that his alien friends had done their own investigation that cleared him: quote:It is also true that Wendelle Stevens was maliciously and innocently sent to prison for allegedly sexually assaulting children, which was a lie and deceit, but he has not been rehabilitated to date. You Plejars, i.e. you Ptaah, together with your daughter Semjase, and you, Quetzal, you investigated extremely meticulously at that time with regard to the accusations against Wendelle regarding the alleged sexual abuse of minors. You investigated and clarified everything so thoroughly in detail that it was almost exaggerated, but you could not find anything that could indicate any misconduct on the part of Wendelle with regard to the accusations made against him. But you were not the only ones to find out the truth about this, because earthlings also looked into the accusations against Wendelle and found that they could not be true, as can be seen from many letters still on the Internet today. Stevens passed away in 2010. Billy Meier is still kicking at 84 at his compound in the Swiss countryside, supported by people from all over the world who make pilgrimage to volunteer as labor for his farm/saucer center. One of Meier's very convincing saucer photos. Dr. Jerrold Coe has issued a correction as of 01:59 on Mar 10, 2021 |
# ¿ Mar 10, 2021 00:57 |
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nut posted:would love a ref to this pretty please Messengers of Deception and Revelations are his books you want to read. Can't recall which one details a French close encounter/abduction which Vallee figures was a French Intelligence op, but there's enough good poo poo in both including the UMMO letters and mysterious UFO attacks in Brazil during the dictatorship. Bear in mind while Vallee is good he's got weaknesses such as laziness with secondary sources (I'm thinking of a cattle mutilation case which was only mysterious if you didn't read the original witness report, Vallee uncritically passed on the later, more sensational versions) and this series by Jason Colavito fact checking his approach to ancient UFOs.
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# ¿ Mar 10, 2021 03:31 |
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While I'm on the UFO beat I figure I'll mention Dr. Leo Sprinkle, who popularized hypnotic regression of UFO abductees and was responsible for connecting UFOs and cattle mutilations. Hypnotic regression of course was also pivotal to accusations of Satanic Ritual Abuse. In Mute Evidence, an excellent analysis of the cattle mutilation phenomenon c. 1981, authors Daniel Kagan and Ian Summers interview Dr. Sprinkle, and Kagan goes under for a hypnotic session:
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# ¿ Mar 10, 2021 03:49 |
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:South Park devoted a bunch of time to promoting Saddam as enemy #1. nut posted:they r libertarians I feel like that whole south park style of nihilistic humor really lends itself to an implicit defense of the status quo. Oh man things are hosed up! Haha crazy man
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# ¿ Mar 12, 2021 04:45 |
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Happy Thread posted:That video should have had a content warning. Also, they're doing the thing the state always convinces media orgs to do, release misdirection to make the people who point out real crimes committed by governments look like fools. Come to think of it their NSA episode had a similar vibe. Maybe it's always been that way with everything from Matt and Trey. When have they ever contradicted the position of US security interests? Mitrioni delenda est
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# ¿ Mar 12, 2021 06:44 |
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Thanks for the rec on the McVeigh book, posters! Arrived today along with another title that might interest the thread: "Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks" by Adam Gorightly. UFOs, of course, an up to date accounting of the govt's UFO disinfo program that led to the modern UFO conspiracy matrix of abductions/cattle mutilations/Dulce Base. Can't wait to tuck into both.
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# ¿ Mar 24, 2021 00:32 |
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E Depois do Adeus posted:Not to distract from McVeigh discussion (please post more excerpts) but In God's Name by David Yallop (?) has excellent information on P2 and the Vatican Bank Oh yeah that's an oldie but a goodie, also sets up John Paul II as the crowd pleasing empty suit (hat?) he was
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2021 07:37 |
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How soon we forget vilerat ...
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# ¿ Apr 7, 2021 00:12 |
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mdemone posted:yeah it kinda seemed like the thread lost interest but I'll pick up after the bombing if y'all want Please do! I bought the book but haven't cracked it open yet, very intimidating tome
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# ¿ Apr 7, 2021 00:38 |
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gh0stpinballa posted:Thinking about ordering some back issues issues of the process church of the final judgement magazine ON DEATH. they're connected to temple of set, son of Sam and Manson: Here's a crack pinger for ya: Best Friends Animal Society
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2021 01:09 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Domestic Gladiaww Don't give Biden's dog any ideas
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2021 03:46 |
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nut posted:Oh baby do I regret checking ahead to find out! There's this hack scientist named Milton Leitenberg who pops up with scientific sounding denials whenever USA biowarfare in Korea trends, and I personally feel very clever for seeing through one particular bit of obfuscation he's thrown out before which is that alleged samples of anthrax collected by the Koreans and Chinese were determined to be native to the peninsula, which according to Leitenberg proves them to be lying about the diseases coming from an American bioweapons program. HOWEVER! We also know that the murdering psychopaths of Unit 731 were given amnesty by the Americans in exchange for their research, which included the disease cultures they had cultivated from wild samples in Manchuria, meaning that any germ warfare used by America in Korea would in fact be sourced from local pathogens!!! This deliberate attempt at sleight of hand by a supposed expert also tells me that Milton knows he's full of poo poo and that we're guilty as sin. quote:Milton Leitenberg is an American academic specializing in arms control and weapons of mass destruction. He is a senior research associate with the Center for International and Security Studies at Maryland (CISSM), a division within the School of Public Policy at the University of Maryland.[1]
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# ¿ Apr 23, 2021 00:15 |
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Apropos of Mothman posts, here's a piece in the Magonia Review covering a recent booklet written on the fascist/reactionary background of the men behind the Flying Saucer Review, Britain's premiere and longest running UFO publication:quote:Unlike its early rival Flying Saucer News, the review was not founded out of organised ufology but by people in the publishing industry. The driving force was the rather sinister Ian Waveney Girvan (1908-1964), a man deeply involved in hard right pro-Nazi politics, before and after the war. Girvan was trained as a chartered accountant but by the end of the 1930s had become involved with Westaway books, the co-director of which was the Nazi sympathiser John Beckett. Beckett was interned as a potential traitor during the war, and the company's chief financer was the pro-Nazi Lord Tavistock, later Duke of Bedford. Bedford was in effect Girvan’s employer by the late 1940s. By this time Girvan was fed up with life under the thumb of the Duke and found employment with a firm that shared premises with Westaway Books, Carroll and Nicholson. The authors of this booklet suggest that this was at the instigation of Beckett who wanted to use the firm to produce far-right political material. quote:Dempster was succeeded as editor by Brinsley Le Poer Trench, the fifth son of an Anglo-Irish aristocrat. Like many younger sons of the aristocracy he was sent out to 'Trade', and in the 1950s was employed selling advertising copy in a gardening magazine. Trench shared Leslie’s background, though at a less exalted level, and his interest in theosophy and occultism. He also shared Girvan’s involvement in pre-war far right politics, being a member of the pro-German Right Club. Trench would continue to show far right views in later life, during his time in the House of Lords as Lord Clancarty he was a noted supporter of the racist Smith regime in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). quote:On the surface it might appear that the man who took over, regular contributor, diplomat, linguist, intelligence agent and long-time friend of Bowen, Gordon Creighton would be ideal for the job. There was however a terrible fly in the ointment, Gordon Creighton was paranoid to the point of clinical mental illness. John Harney recalls meeting Bowen at a BUFORA meeting some time in the 1970s, where the FSR editor described Creighton as “awfully nice chap, but nutty as a fruitcake”.
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# ¿ Apr 23, 2021 22:04 |
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This seems like the thread for it, how about William Peter Blatty and the cultural phenomenon of The Exorcist being a reaction against the antiwar movement in Vietnam: Also laying the groundwork for the Satanic Panic in the 80s as a double blind cover for Michael Aquino et al ...
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# ¿ May 5, 2021 00:59 |
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StashAugustine posted:also wasn't Nazi medical "science" basically useless? I guess Unit 731 had some work on bioweapons but that's not terribly helpful for civilian applications Yes the idea of nazi medical science being inhumane but effective is another part of the "evil but efficient" lie/misnomer, beloved by reddit contrarian types. Also, the USSR took their captured 731 scientists, put them on trial for war crimes, and gulag'd them. The western press called it a commie knagaroo court.
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 19:15 |
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Fake edit also we took 731s work in exchange for their immunity and then used it in Korea, which we still deny to this day ell oh ell
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# ¿ Jun 3, 2021 19:17 |
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I mean, her brain is half right, in that Ghostbusters simply reflected the hollow ethos of its decade. Busting is downstream from politics.
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# ¿ Jun 7, 2021 04:00 |
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Pull up, pull up!
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# ¿ Jun 13, 2021 21:12 |
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The Saucer Hovers posted:i dont have a ton of argument with what youve said here so theres no reason to go cracking eggs but if you want to come over to the ufo thread where its more relevant For me it's that Stanton defended the MJ12 papers until his dying day despite all the circumstantial evidence. Some real engineer brain imo.
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# ¿ Jun 14, 2021 01:10 |
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nut posted:handing out cups of kool aid at the mcafee epstein thread wake but everyone keeps interrupting me to tell me "you know it was Flavor Aid, right?" I wonder if the koolaid company men considered it a win for their brand that they got the glory
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# ¿ Jun 23, 2021 23:46 |
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Chamale posted:Jonestown used both Kool-Aid and Flavor-Aid. The "it was Flavor-Aid" rebuttal is an op by Big Beverage. Also there's the thing with the many of the massacre victims who were not poisoned, and were shot to death by U.S.-backed mercenaries. Oh hell yeah, it was mass murder, not a mass suicide. Like most things the pop culture meme version is a deliberate distortion
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# ¿ Jun 25, 2021 04:42 |
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:I've dipped into this thread a few times but not really kept up with the narrative. But today I was off on a long hike down the coast looking for some listening material, and one of the things I'd bookmarked for listening to was the Ghost Stories For The End Of The World podcast, which I think is made by a goon. There was a reading list posted just a page or so ago. Off the top of my head, NATO's Secret Armies, The Politics of Heroin in SE Asia, and of course CHAOS are excellent reads that beyond their specific subjects illustrate the deep politics driving this whole shitshow
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# ¿ Jul 13, 2021 03:27 |
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Zmej posted:wasn't it well documented that US troops were being used to guard poppy fields in Afghanistan a few years ago? my only assumption is that they were guarding them for local warlords willing to work with us against the taliban? A lot of these warlords were also chomos which is one place where the taliban has popular support in their religious fanaticism against. Dumbass GIs would talk about how "afghani culture" included child rape when it was just these degenerate collaborator criminals we were propping up.
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# ¿ Jul 13, 2021 03:30 |
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Tubgoat posted:Uh, yeah, those are the only ones the U.S. wants to prop up. Easily controlled now, easily discarded and vilified later! Same MO for all the other scumbags like Noriega and Saddam etc et al
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# ¿ Jul 13, 2021 04:07 |
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And the British empire back in the day, pick a minority group or class and raise em up, and let em know they're hosed without you because of what you've done to the rest of the population
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# ¿ Jul 13, 2021 04:10 |
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Tubgoat posted:"Look, I don't like it either, but we have to work with these scumbags and give them absolutely whatever they want or the communists win!" A very early crack ping for me was Iraq war poo poo about how Saddam was evil for gassing the Kurds... which he did in the 80s, when we supported him, and learning that at the time we tried to blame Iran for it
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# ¿ Jul 13, 2021 04:46 |
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smarxist posted:meanwhile US forces bathed Iraq in white phosphorous lmao Oh poo poo another good book for thread is The Fire This Time by Ramsey Clark which is about US War crimes in Gulf War I. poo poo about how we bomb dams and water systems and plan for X,000 deaths for cholera or whatever
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# ¿ Jul 13, 2021 04:54 |
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nut posted:I don’t think I have a singular source I learned about him from I actually think I learned the most from last podcast on the left years ago but the wiki article has some p good gems tho they are unelaborated He turns up in Programmed To Kill, for all its cavaets. Really seems like he skated by with the Satanic Panic's unraveling at just the right time.
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# ¿ Aug 8, 2021 23:33 |
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multistability posted:Lmao this is literally straight out of Edward Lansdale's counterinsurgency playbook (the following is all paraphrased from Radio War Nerd ep 39 — Cold War Counterinsurgencies): Haha wow stupid superstitious natives, being scared of psychotic freaks who will torture you to death 🤣
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2021 19:14 |
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Shear Modulus posted:i've read elsewhere that none of this poo poo actually worked and that all the locals knew it was the american troops known to be in the area mutilating the corpses and not vampires Yeah I posted glibly but the levels of weird colonialist/fascist thinking in that anecdote are off the charts. you wanted the guerrillas to think they were being hunted by a monster, so in order to "trick" their puny superstitious minds you did a campaign of psychotic murder and corpse desecration. Also makes me think of the constant refrain that "those people" don't value human life like we do, so we must lower ourselves to their bestial state, despite the potential damage to our otherwise unimpeachable morals. Hitler and his cronies use to sit around and get themselves hyped up saying poo poo like that, oh yeah man it's awful what we have to do, really terrible, but we have no choice! "Hard men making hard decisions" self serving bullshit.
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2021 00:47 |
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multistability posted:Yeah now that I actually think about it psy-ops such as Lansdale's and Wallace's are reflective of a certain bigoted colonial or imperialistic attitude towards the people who are being subjected to them, and I have no doubt that if you see a corpse hanging upside down completely drained of blood you would be so terrified you would just get the gently caress out of there regardless. Like the point of counterinsurgency isn't so much the means rather than the end, which is to terrify the insurgency and the population which supports that insurgency into submission I see this has been covered, sorry
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# ¿ Aug 19, 2021 00:48 |
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Something light hearted for the thread, I was at a fantastic used bookstore this weekend, one of the kinds with books piled to the ceiling thru some twisty cramped rooms, and I almost poo poo myself when I pulled this off a rack clearly dedicated to "weird vintage paperbacks" ... For the princely sum of $6.85 it was mine. All the online sellers want $100 minimum! Anyways turns out archive dot org has it for free if you really need to prove to yourself that Donald Barr was a sicko pervert: https://archive.org/details/donaldbarrspacerelations
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# ¿ Aug 23, 2021 05:45 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/hayleyglyphs/status/1431761072952791042?s=19 I mean, that's how the whole mkultra thing got going isn't it? There's secret commie brainwashing going on so we "have" to figure out mind control.
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# ¿ Aug 29, 2021 17:47 |
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Every town must have a place where phony hippies meet Psychedelic dungeons popping up on every street
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2021 03:49 |
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Laterite posted:*shoots a koosh ball at u* As a kid I supported Rosie for her anti-furby line
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2021 19:25 |
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nut posted:haha totally, so about this Real God you mentioned… new meme the Christian Groomer: haha your gods are so Christ-like ...
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2021 06:08 |
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# ¿ May 10, 2024 21:57 |
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James Tiptree Jr aka Alice Sheldon was CIA but that's never been secret. Just hosed up that one of the greatest SF new wave writers was a spook
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2021 04:20 |