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Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Majorian posted:

In case we needed any further proof that Castro did the objectively morally correct thing:

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1172351742496923648

We can't have candidates attacking one another, that's what the press is for!

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Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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oh just die already

can someone tell me why the senator who lost with a moderate message in a wave election year is on the stage whining about moderate voters, please?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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ihatepants posted:

Didn’t she finally advocate for single payer in her interview with Ady Barkan just a couple of days ago?

I mean, i've been burned before with Kamala's "signed onto the M4A bill in the senate", but I think Warren has explicitly stated her support for the M4A bill in the senate right now. She doesn't have her own plan, it's the Bernie bill.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Office Pig posted:

You wouldn’t get the impression of a commitment from what’s given in this article, and if her idea of single-payer is the plan posted on her site that vaguely promises as much while leaving mental healthcare to private wolves, the answer is a resounding ‘no’.

That is just another bill that's currently in the Senate that she also supports.

ihatepants posted:

the Behavioral Health Coverage Transparency Act addressing mental health coverage now while we have to deal with the ACA.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Sep 13, 2019

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Ague Proof posted:

It wasn't even that, she was complimenting Shucks' eyeshadow while calling her a liar. The media... lied.

Her eyes look weird. It's easy to see how people misconstrued it as shade.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Faustian Bargain posted:

Every day is a day closer to Biden's "support" collapsing. Last night was not good for him.

What the gently caress

Dude looks like he was killed by Jack Nicholson's Joker.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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DaveWoo posted:

Top story on CNN.com right now:



As if the republican candidate wouldn't have done this if Beto hadn't done this?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Wicked Them Beats posted:

She's evasive because she doesn't want to publicly commit to something her wealthy donors haven't signed off on. Not because she just can't figure out the right phrasing.

:chloe:

That ain't it.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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the dreaded bottomless pinnochio

Office Pig posted:

It absolutely is. Or she’s a bumbling dolt before a slight breeze, pick your poison.

Or... and I can't stress this enough... it's exactly what it appears to be?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Ytlaya posted:

What is "exactly what it appears to be" here? Isn't that the "doesn't know what she's talking about" option here?

She doesn't want to give Jake Tapper a "I promise to raise your taxes" soundbyte. The same thing Bernie is doing.

You know, the baseline interpretation that started this derail.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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rko posted:

Except Bernie never does that? He constantly acknowledges, “Your taxes will go up,” as part of his messaging on M4A. Likely because he understands that, like the “socialist” label, running away from it clearly doesn’t work, so you might as well embrace it and spend some time explaining what you actually mean whenever you get the chance. And Warren, who has much easier access to mass media, has many more opportunities to do so, which is why it’s so disappointing to see her flub it over and over again.

It’s also hardly a derail to discuss one of the leading contenders for the Democratic nomination and her inability to convincingly explain a core part of her campaign, especially when said candidate has branded herself as the one with all the “plans.”

my bad

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1144421342961393665?s=20

The point still stands though, that the media is trying to get their "taxes will go up" sound byte so they can disingenuously run it. She's acknowledging that taxes will go up when she answers "costs will go down".

also, idk a better word than derail for a tangent of discussion in a thread, that has common acceptance.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Sep 20, 2019

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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bowser posted:

https://twitter.com/TravisDotRun/status/1175085085965672448?s=19

Being a Master of Data™ entitles you to just loving make up numbers.

Nate Silver is huffing his own farts.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1175224115038490624?s=21

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Rather than constant vigilance on the phrasing for a media that is just waiting to pounce on some disingenuous bullshit, they'd be better off altering M4A to be fully funded by massive wealth taxes on the rich. Then when rear end in a top hat journos ask this stupid question they can just say "no one in the middle class will see a tax increase - the only change is no more insurance premiums."

Has the advantage of being better policy, as well.

I'm not certain there is enough wealth to sustain that indefinitely.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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joepinetree posted:

But he did personally decide to cage children:

https://twitter.com/immcivilrights/status/1008902662828511232?lang=en

Read through this thread. It's Obama speaking directly on it, with photographic evidence.


The reason anyone who has been paying attention doesn't trust people like Biden or anyone who plays nice with them to actually change anything is because Obama's immigration and foreign policy weren't accidents, they were explicitly decided upon by people at the very top.

I have enormous respect for Julian Castro for not playing nice on that, and if I needed a second choice in the primary, he is much more likely to be it than Warren.

Words cannot adequately express how disappointed I am in Obama's family detention plan.

Trump's FAMILY SEPARATION AND DETENTION PLAN is even worse, and we need a progressive administration that will end the border nightmare and reform immigration.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Terror Sweat posted:

The best part is this person refuses to vote for Bernie lmao

I mean... you can support a politicians policy proposals without supporting their candidacy for president.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Typo posted:

you don't get it, if polls were accurate, hillary would have clowned trump. stop trusting that number fuckerstain poo poo it's melting your brain

like... the polling was pretty accurate, tho, why does this keep coming up?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Majorian posted:

National polls were, state-level polls weren't. That's even more the case when it comes to primaries.

Voter suppression and EC gerrymandering is a bitch, ain't it

like... polls weren't super turbo wrong, but pollsters were with their prognostications. The "there's not way Trump can win" brain rot was loving strong. Besides, polls are just one data point, and folks shouldn't hang on them, but we're all guilty of it.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Crows Turn Off posted:

Glad I watched this. The fact that her name is Krystal Ball is hilarious.

I actually like Warren, but I'm really concerned because it'll be easy for the opposition to label her as Clinton 2.0. It doesn't matter that Trump lies about her constantly and it doesn't matter that Trump is actually guilty of the things he accuses others of doing. Trump is going to continue to call her Pocahontas and that will be effective, that will be the big lie she built her entire career from, etc. Trump has so many lies that none of them seem as bad is one big lie. Stupid people will also again think that "no way all of these bad things are accurate, maybe the media is trying to make him look bad after all," and no negative stories have a significant impact.

The thing about Warren is that she's exactly what the right accused Clinton of being, even through Clinton was basically Bush2.0 v2.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Jethro posted:

It wasn't until several months ago that I realized Reality Winner was actually her name and not just some codename the press had glommed on to.

She had her named changed, it's not actually her given name.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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I like Michael a lot. His poo poo's been very on point lately, and he was also going for this point in his show at some point last week, but this is all just an electability argument.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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The question of conditioning aid to Israel wasn't asked and I don't see how anyone could infer it from her answer to the ONE Israel question???

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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King of Solomon posted:

You can think he should do something at the same time you expect that he won't do it.


Here's Bernie's: https://www.cfr.org/article/bernie-sanders

He's so, so much better on foreign policy issues, it's just night and day.

It is remarkable how little daylight exists between these answers, but the most notable difference for me? Sanders doesn't explicitly say there are no military options in Venezuela.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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A person whose net worth is a 30 million dollar company wouldn't actually owe any wealth tax under this plan.

This is the same busted logic it takes to complain about "double taxation" for stock investments. "I don't own money, I own STOCK!"

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Sep 24, 2019

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Wicked Them Beats posted:

He explicitly does.

Yeah, I'm applying the same level of disingenuous hackery it takes to say "Warren would not condition aid to Israel".

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Nonsense posted:

Kamala wasn't even a contender.

She was. She isn't anymore. The caucus wants Medicare for All, and her plan fuckin' sucks.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 24, 2019

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Gripweed posted:

lmao I had seen this quote before but I didn't know there was footage

https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1176511664885075968?s=20

lol, remember our racist president? he's gonna loving WRECK warren with his racist attacks.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Hey guys, I know we get pretty hot in here stanning/making GBS threads on Elizabeth Warren, but I just want to stop everyone for a minute so we can re-appreciate the local-personal-injury-attorney slogan that Kamala Harris adopted for her campaign slogan.

Kamala Harris: For the People

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Brony Car posted:

What is Sanders... doesn't win?

The answer to this question is entirely subjective.

The question I'm more interested in is... What if Biden wins?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Maybe we should be voting by who does the funniest trump impersonation.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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bowser posted:

No, but it makes an easy rallying cry. "But her emails" and "lock her up" will be replaced by "Pocahontas" and wearing face paint while impersonating tribal war cries.

so you're saying that the trump base will just go full racist yellow-face and the election will likely result in lovely sports teams finally dropping Native Peoples mascots?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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SimonCat posted:

While being NA would be enough to draw the ire of racists, it's not like they were 24/7 attacking every minority in existence.

What exactly is your point, man?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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SimonCat posted:

The point I was making, though it was clarified through further conversation, that her family's continued residence in a racist area is not evidence that they did not think of themselves as having NA ancestry or wouldn't claim that if asked.

No offense to you, man, but I feel like your argument was attempting to downplay the horribleness of the KKK and I'd like you to honestly consider the thought process that brought you there.

Majorian posted:

That would almost certainly be Bernie. Part of the reason why I'm so excited for him to debate Trump.

IDK if Bernie would actually do the impression though?

It would hands down be the best, though.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Majorian posted:

I mean, maybe not, but I think he's got the best chance of doing it at least. It sure as hell wouldn't be Warren or Biden.

Biden would 100% do it on a debate stage.

edit: I don't want him to win, nor do I think he even can. My original post was a joke based on an earlier tweet posted of Biden doing the impression in front of donors or something.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Sep 28, 2019

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Majorian posted:

He'd try and bomb so hard, it wouldn't even be funny. I'd just feel sorry for him, and I don't want to feel sorry for Biden.

tbf, I don't think there is such a thing as a funny Trump impersonation, so the only good ones are the ones that are so bad they become funny in and of themselves.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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About the same a Bernie stan feels for being in the same camp as someone who wants to literally guillotine the upper middle class...

I don't like... care much? Some rich dumbass spouting bullshit on a cable news network isn't why I'd vote for Warren, and it certainly isn't why I wouldn't.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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Nonsense posted:

It certainly is a major reason to not vote for her actually.

lol, okay. Nice "nuh-uh" post, I guess.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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ELO Musk posted:



This sound about right?

"working class" is literally anyone who works for a living and isn't in management, so no.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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The weird butt/beto/andy knee-diving trifecta is something to behold.

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Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

check the date :lol:

helluva sub-tweet.

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