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This comes out tomorrow and Catherine on Monday!? :woop:

# ¿ Oct 19, 2019 23:34

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*watches show*

man...this sound track slaps! ~someone~ listened to a bunch of Trent Reznor...

*reads credits*

:hmmyes:

# ¿ Oct 21, 2019 04:24

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Lindelof being actively terrible and hating his fanbase isn't news. :nallears:

# ¿ Oct 22, 2019 05:08

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you loving goons thinking that the masked cops who black bag people without authority or punishment and then torture them (probably to death?) ~on a hunch~ are the :turianass:

good guys. :turianass:

pro-tip: fasc cops vs kkk militia is spiderman meme and they're all shitsquibs. :shrug:

Gonz posted:

Crudup was on Fallon last night. As far as I can tell, he’s got no projects to plug right now, so I am just assuming the return of Blue Dong is nigh.

It'd be interesting to cast someone from the movie when they are continuing the graphic novel instead.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2019 07:54

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Immanentized posted:

Am I wrong, or did the shot of Dr. Manhattan on Mars show him building a replica of Veidt's castle estate hideout and turning it into dust?

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed about it...they framed each shot in the same way, giving it the same perspective, so it seems intentional.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2019 17:37

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The problem with Lost is that it is a great premise with an amazing cast that is ruined by lazy and terrible writing. It's not even fair to call the show a mystery box since every single ~mystery~ that pops up is solved by the first of three spaghetti salvos fired by the writers, through the characters.

Add to that the knowledge you get on a second viewing that none of the characters have any arcs and that the main protagonist literally spends the entire series running in ineffectual circles, and you get a recipe for disaster and backlash. :shrug:

AccountSupervisor posted:

Damon Lindelof posted:
"We plotted out these nine episodes so that we knew exactly where we were headed so that every mystery and every question that we were asking would be resolved."

"If the conversation out there seems to suggest you're hungry for more, then we'll certainly take that into consideration. But our job was to just make these nine episodes that delivered an amazing story."

Well, at least he's learned his lesson?

# ¿ Oct 23, 2019 22:14

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AccountSupervisor posted:

Yes that and its also an entirely different situation than writing a show for ABC in 2004

There are realities to writing and crafting TV shows, especially in 2004 before these types of investments were common place by networks, that I think people are ignorant to and do not often consider when it comes to things like this. Thats nobodies fault, but its worth taking into account before throwing words like "lazy" around.

Im not saying Lost was perfect or didnt have any plot issues but I think the expectations audience had and still have for it exceed what was realistically possible for the most part.

I dunno, I think the backlash is deserved since the show always sold itself as something that it never was. If you wanted a mystery, they planned to never explain the central one and were criminally lazy with the rest. The best example is Charlie dying to tell them it wasn't Penny's boat, a reveal that led to...exactly nothing. Killed off a major character for no reason and no payoff. You can't even give them the benefit of the doubt and say they were doing something meta with having Jack run around in circles the entire show since nothing clever is revealed with that knowledge. Definitely a product of the time, the show wanted to be a serial adventure drama but there isn't a single episode that bothers to actually consider future or past events or how they fit together.

Leftovers had similar issues, especially in the first and second seasons, but surprisingly Lindelof renegged on his initial statements and did explain the ~central mystery~ on that show. This to much more acclaim, I may add.

He's definitely got a little bit of the same problem that Abrams has: great with set up but lousy with payoff. I am guessing that HBO breathing down his neck for a new prestige fantasy-drama helped curb a lot of his worse tendencies, however.

Steve2911 posted:

Eh I wouldn't call Lost lazy by any means. It just seems senseless to write that kind of story without working backwards from some end point.

They could've just written "the island is on the moon" or something on a post it note and kept it in mind when coming up with ideas and mysteries.

You could almost call it...lazy?
:thunk:

# ¿ Oct 23, 2019 22:52

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Gorn Myson posted:

Uh, when? The Leftovers ended by wrapping up what the show had been presenting the entire time; they weren't fussed about big material mysteries but rather the way characters engaged and moved beyond them. I mean this is a show that used the "Let the Mystery Be" as a title song.

Lindelof specifically said they would never address what the event was or what happened to the people that vanished when both of those questions are specifically answered by the finale. :shrug:

Gorn Myson posted:

A 6 year narrative that is made up through 121 episodes of 45 minute screen time that features an ensemble cast. Which is apparently an easy task that could be done by a single writer who could have done better if he was less lazy. This is what you have to deal with when talking about these things.

I'm also astonished that people still trot out the "they were lazy and didn't plan their storyline" argument, because How I Met Your Mother decided on its ending quite early in its run and that ending didn't work by the time they reached it and audiences hated it.

I mean, this was exactly what they did with Lost: the final episode (or at least the church ending) was supposedly written at the same time as the first episode. They just had to shuffle some people around the church because they did some things they didn't expect. :v:

Recursive posted:

For me at least, it was this.

The vast majority of television or movies that I see and enjoy at least follow some sort of path. The Hero's Journey, etc. With Lost, it stood out to me how the writing varied from episode to episode and they seemed to take pleasure not providing any sort of path that a viewer could follow, it just meandered all over the place. Plot lines were not concluded or just abandoned in favor of bringing in new plot lines for some unknown reason. While I can be a sucker for a mystery, I at least want some sort of conclusion or even addressing that it might be a mystery that you won't solve or even be unsolvable. Just address that loving fact, don't try to hide your apparent inability to have characters progress or have an arc by introducing new ones. That's just lazy writing, and the main reason I threw ASOIAF book 3 across the room at one point.

Yeah, it's like they took the 8-step journey from The Hero with a Thousand Faces and just decided "naw gently caress that" but didn't actually try to deconstruct it in any kind of interesting way.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2019 00:07

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SalTheBard posted:

The Lost thread is where I cut my teeth on SA. I forgot all about the exploding engine smoke monster gif. I liked all the stick figure Lost avatars. I'm excited to watch Watchmen tonight!

My dude, you got me so excited, but tonight is a replay of ep1: it's a Sunday Show.

feedmyleg posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBmALfSFEU

Got DANG this loving slaps. :mmmhmm:

Nail Rat posted:

Jesus christ Trent Reznor is really going to get me to pay $78 for a 3 part soundtrack. It's really loving good. But I still wish it was like a $50 3 LP set instead of 3 $26 volumes.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2019 17:42

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muscles like this! posted:

Stop posting spoilers

There was literally a klansmen murdering people in the opening scene but :shrug:

# ¿ Oct 24, 2019 21:41

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Preston Waters posted:

It could also just be a transition shot.

Or it could mean that both Manhattan and Veidt are mirroring each other's actions.

Also since it seems obvious that the 105 year old guy was the child at the beginning: who are we thinking the baby is that he found? Sister Night's ancestor? Someone we haven't met yet?

My insane fan theory is that Dr Manhattan hosed off to create new life but he hosed up and just recreated the Earth and everything happened all over again including making another Dr Manhattan. It's like the Matrix or something and we're on DrM #7 or whatever.
:tinfoil:

# ¿ Oct 25, 2019 13:57

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Agent355 posted:

Changing your script because some rear end in a top hat on reddit guessed it is a guaranteed way to make a bad script. Just let the dude be smug about guessing it and everybody who didn't read that reddit thread won't even care or notice and the show would still be good.

Pretty much this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyanTVqlJ2o

# ¿ Oct 26, 2019 01:58

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wolfs posted:

You�re all ignoring the tomato tree and I�m very disappointed.

And the third appearance of ~the castle~ with Regina King's kid making one out of...uhhh...hovering tinker toys? :stare:

double negative posted:

bunny colvin as newspaper dude was great, and treasury secretary henry louis gates made me lol. i'm so curious to see where this show goes, my reaction to the end was the same as angela's

Sheeeeeeeeeee-it... :clint:

# ¿ Oct 28, 2019 06:34

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twistedmentat posted:

I bet American Hero Story is going to be Tales From The Black Freighter for the series. You'll see bits of it that relate directly to the themes of the show.

Also the Klan Robes had a police badge on it. I wonder if you went back to the first episode, you'd see the Klansmen they focus on wearing those robes. Also i saw some people not realizing the part in Germany was WW1 not 2. That part is weird to see.

Yeah, that was my thought for Hero Story as well. I also thought it was a bit of a dig at Snyder with all of the gratuitous slow-mo... :laugh:

And now that you mention it: yeah, I'd bet he's the klansmen we see shooting people in the Tulsa Massacre. As for WWI: I thought the helmets and lack of swastikas gave it away...

Also, how would he take the propaganda note from WWII back to 1921 Tulsa??? :ohdear:

# ¿ Oct 28, 2019 08:46

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ElNarez posted:

I feel like there's a slight difference between "sympathized with the Germans" and "openly expressing approval for the activities of Hitler's Third Reich", which is the verbatim description from Watchmen #2

wtf are you talking about :confused:

Le Saboteur posted:

He's giving a Rorschach performance down to the disaffected tone, the uncaring dialogue (poking at Angela about her kids), suggestions of a black and white world view. That combined with him living in his mask and never taking it off is a very deliberate choice.

He's taken his mask off several times already, notably with the Chief...

...and of course the senator knows she's still a cop, that wasn't ominous at all. :tinfoil:

# ¿ Oct 28, 2019 17:51

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Ah yes, the classic ~poo poo on a thing and pretend that it's criticism~ gimmick. :nallears:

Like, everyone loves discussion, but if you can't articulate why you don't like something, then at least be entertaining about it... :rolleye:

If you just come in and say "show sucks lol" then expect a lot of "no u rofl" replies. :shrug:

# ¿ Oct 29, 2019 00:53

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Harlock posted:

Spoiler musings from the second episode:

I'm going along with the theory that Judd was part of the White Night with his secret KKK kard. What's the end goal? It led to cops having secret identities and likely an increased amount of powers ala the Patriot Act. What's the next step? To reveal Redford/the government as liars from Rorsachs journal and let Conservatives/Racists use that knowledge to eventually usurp liberals and get elected via the guy from Mad Men?

That would make sense with why he wasn't scared to drive alone when he got the call: he knew he didn't need an escort because the 7th Kav would never come after him. It would also explain why he got out of his car and looked so puzzled at what was obviously an ambush: because he :airquote:

knew

no one was out to get him.

ymgve posted:

Nah, the chief talks about it like right after the shooting happened, long before any legislation/infrastructure would have been in place.

I'm guessing a lot of the post-White Night recruits are sleeper agents from the ticktock gang. :jihad:

# ¿ Oct 29, 2019 03:29

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There were a series of pogroms leading up to Kristallnacht in 1938...anyone who says they ~didn't know~ is lying. The US was turning away dozens of refugee ships and there was an active Nazi Party here which advocated strongly for eugenics...

Everybody knew what was going on...liberating the camps just made them confront the reality.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2019 14:08

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I'm guessing Nixonville is slang for any poor, conservative ~~enclave~~ trailer park.

# ¿ Oct 30, 2019 03:36

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Just

that Moore is upset that people saw what they wanted in a character named Rorschach. :sun:

# ¿ Oct 31, 2019 18:00

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My guess is he took out the Cessna because, if they survived or were captured, they could name names or give up the plan...

lurker2006 posted:

Am I the only one who finds the old man lynching Judd to be kind of off putting? However much of a piece of poo poo Judd might secretly be the brutality of how he was killed seems at odds with the ah shucks demeanor of the old man and the seemingly genuine affection Judd had for Angela.

�They smile to your faaaaaaaace...�

# ¿ Nov 3, 2019 04:05

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PriorMarcus posted:

That entire scene was a recreation/dramatisation of events from a TV show tho.

Pro-tip: any time you see the words "race riot" in a US history book, that's code-switch for "all of the whites got together and murdered every black person they could find." hth

# ¿ Nov 3, 2019 18:26

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Zmej posted:

I don't understand the point of a deadman's switch if it takes 10 seconds to detonate, but apparently that is the right amount of time to roll a dead KKKop onto an IED lol

I mean, judging by my fitbit: you'd want a 10 second delay to cover random misses from the sensor...otherwise he would have blown up somewhere in the tunnel.
:shrug:

# ¿ Nov 9, 2019 06:03

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This.

loving.

SLAPS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjloH7QFYkk

_{get it while it's hot}

# ¿ Nov 10, 2019 02:34

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Xealot posted:

I'm watching pornography. 75 milliseconds ago, data comprising the current frame left the Pornhub servers.

It's 2001. The actress I'm watching leaves the University Hospital in Prague. As her parents swaddle her in a blanket, it is 2019 and she is asking her stepbrother if he likes her new bikini.

In 16 minutes, I am ejaculating. I reach for the Kleenex box.

This is art. :discourse:

# ¿ Nov 14, 2019 04:12

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Farm Frenzy posted:

hey fellas people are calling this show a mystery box because we still have no idea what the plot is about and details like the names of characters are pointlessly withheld and stretched out

There is one character we don't know the identity of and we know, at the very least, that he's probably Angela's grandfather from the DNA test? :crossarms:

# ¿ Nov 17, 2019 15:02

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Farm Frenzy posted:

It took ages for the show to confirm that the guy who is almost certainly ozymandias is ozymandias and I don't really think the ambiguity added anything. It just feels like its just there to incite speculation. I'm enjoying lots of the show but this sorta stuff has left me not really invested in what's going on.

Yes...it was certainly a ~TOTAL MYSTERY~ of who Jeremy Irons' character was supposed to be.
:nallears:

# ¿ Nov 18, 2019 02:17

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to everyone who Babe Ruthed the HJ theory!

# ¿ Nov 25, 2019 04:26

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For those who don't watch American Horror Story, the actor who plays HJ on American Hero Story is a regular cast member of AHS, furthering the Horror/Hero alt-universe in-joke.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2019 06:11

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TheOmegaWalrus posted:

Lube Man is so obviously Petey it's borderline sloppy.

How else is a man supposed to have functional intercourse with a woman in her 70s?

Do you need it spelled out for you?

# ¿ Nov 29, 2019 03:53

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Probably lots of AM and HAM radios but instead of cool trucker handles like HogMan62 they'll have superhero names like MadeByManhattan85...

twistedmentat posted:

What do they do for porn?

the secret mind control plan is going to work because people still need movie theaters for porno in 2019 in this universe :lol:

# ¿ Nov 30, 2019 07:34

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I often think about how the Romans had all of the individual parts of a steam machine, and in fact had small children's toys that were self-propelled and ran on tiny steam engines, but they just didn't have the same cultural desire for productivity that we do so no one ever thought "huh, I could use this machine to do lots of things!"

Then I think about how I saw a toy car on the 90's Discovery Channel show called Next Step that had a tiny, hydrogen powered car with a little solar powered gas station that just needed you to add water and it would use solar energy to break down the water into hydrogen and oxygen to refuel the toy car...

Or how the technology to make humans functionally immortal exists today but too many people feel ~icky~ about living for longer than a hundred years so welp...
:smithicide:

# ¿ Nov 30, 2019 21:34

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They can take organs, wash out the cell material, seed the remaining matrix with your stem cells, and grow new, rejection-proof organs.

Also, if you take that matrix (pig bladders work best for this) and just grind up the matrix, the powder regrows severed fingers and probably limbs!

:lol:

if you think this isn�t a service that billionaires currently receive in SE Asia...

# ¿ Dec 1, 2019 01:48

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KoRMaK posted:

Sounds complicated, is it easily reproducible?

Glass is in The Report!!

Check out this report so old that nobody likes this guy anymore!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLs8DeHVkec

# ¿ Dec 1, 2019 03:05

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Rewatching Ep1 and the overt Under the Hood sitting on the Chief's desk seems more like a reference to him being 7th Cav/KKK rather than just a nod to the source material...

# ¿ Dec 2, 2019 02:17

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Great ep!

Scooter_McCabe posted:

So the judge a younger Adrian Veidt clone? That pig jury wackiness is a Veidt move.

Also a machine to depower Dr. Manhattan?

Edit: Oh great a Dr. Redneck.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Also I�ll be pissed if a bunch of dumb racists manage to kill Dr. Manhattan. Although Bubastis never reassembled herself as a blue god, so I don�t know what king peckerwood thinks will happen.

No one knows about Antarctica so they probably think running him through an IFG is going to unmake him...that'd be pretty :lol:

but the inclusion of the teleporter makes me think something else is afoot!

Guy A. Person posted:

So women with secret superhero sires is Jon’s very specific kink, huh

# ¿ Dec 2, 2019 05:03

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I mean, Trieu could just turn on her mind control TVs and say "forget your past traumas and live in harmony" but I guess something more complicated will happen. :shrug:

I'm thinking now that Angela and Jon will escape but the 7th Cav will kidnap their kids and Lubeman and Sister Knight will have to team up with Doctor Manhattan to save Silk Specter II from Evil Keane II.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2019 09:34

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Nephthys posted:

Laurie was just surprised guys. The whole season her thing has been making bare-faced power plays to gently caress with whoever she's talking to and get them on the defensive. She was trying to do that with the widow by nakedly accusing her of being 7th Cav and was just honestly taken aback by her immediately confessing and pulling out a dumb looking remote which didn't seem to be doing anything.

I mean who the gently caress expects someone to have a goddamn trapdoor in their livingroom in 2019? It was completely out of left field.

I mean, I had no idea what the thing with buttons she was ominously clicking actually did before it happened, but in my head I'm screaming "bitch, that's a ray gun, or mind control, or it explodes hearts: loving run!" :derp:

# ¿ Dec 3, 2019 03:21

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HppyCmpr posted:

I feel a little bad for Angela and Cal's adopted children to be honest.

You're aware that your husband is secretly Dr. Manhattan but still decide to adopt two children, either potentially putting them in danger in the future or requiring an awkward conversation when Cal ceases to exist.

"Children, I know you miss your father but in reality he's actually a blue superhuman so don't feel bad."

You see kids: Cal was here and now...he's nowhere. :stare:

# ¿ Dec 4, 2019 02:52

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 05:48

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"Can I listen...?" :c00lbert:

# ¿ Dec 4, 2019 05:44

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