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sx nmb*r	69	0.22%
w@@d n_mb_r	420	1.34%
Jeb! number	538	1.72%
Biden numbr	30330	96.72%
Total:	31357 votes

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mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

https://twitter.com/michaelkapp/status/1220975259056099328

the fix has begun.

the democratic party as an institution needs to be destroyed.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 18:17

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 12:54

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

they appointed a REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR to the convention committee lmfao

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 19:27

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

not even hiding it anymore

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 19:27

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

man for real the democratic party needs to be destroyed

# ¿ Jan 25, 2020 19:30

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Shear Modulus posted:

the private equity assholes that bought the sites killed splinter and deadspin for their politics but kept the root around

how odd

# ¿ Jan 26, 2020 18:14

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

any important downticket primaries where they're kicking succ out?

# ¿ Jan 30, 2020 15:11

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

I didn't see anyone else make a thread so I made one for booting the succ out:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3914989

# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:27

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

you really, REALLY hate to see it
https://twitter.com/addysbaird/status/1234631381499682817

how the gently caress is it a 'personal decision' when so much is at stake. piss off AOC

# ¿ Mar 3, 2020 01:58

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

left candidates have to play nice and be saints because capital control of the media that liberal normies watch is all pervasive

conservatives/right wingers have lost faith in traditional media and thats why CNN/MSNBC crying about nasty ol trump has no effect on them. even FOX was massively anti trump during the republican primaries and it didnt matter

mush brain and senile old libs watch those channels all day and if you had a huey long type instead of sanders they'd go ham on him and sanders wouldn't even be in the near-tie striking distance delegate position he is now.

the problem isn't the message, chopping and changing and refining it is rearranging deck chairs, the problem is CONTROL OF THE MEDIUM

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 15:25

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Lawman 0 posted:

Gotta just secure those new votes folks.
*new votes are phantom votes that only exist in the hq which is revealed to be a bunker*
They will be coming to save us any day now!

the succ is coming from inside the zone

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 15:30

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1235578625027698691?s=19

this is far worse than what happened in bolivia and they backed a coup over it

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 17:34

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

are the right wing dems trying to be an austerity party during a depression. holy poo poo

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 04:56

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

The democrats!

https://twitter.com/mstratford/status/1261022913207173121

# ¿ May 15, 2020 00:21

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

the dems are going to get a negative convention bump lol

# ¿ Aug 20, 2020 17:47

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

https://twitter.com/aaronlmorrison/status/1301103788422553600

its the pragmatic thing to do you see.

Schweinhund posted:

I'm glad Joe is trying to stop the violence and looting because those things are bad and they're also turning people against the BLM movement.

https://civiqs.com/results/black_li...8881.1599050059

# ¿ Sep 2, 2020 19:04

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

bluesanos

# ¿ Nov 11, 2020 22:23

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

this was good. the democrats are completely not up to the task for this historical moment

https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii126/articles/mike-davis-trench-warfare

quote:

The one-size-fits-all suburban template that was used by the Biden campaign in Texas and almost everywhere else ignored the consensus view of veteran campaign strategists from both parties that the real key to swinging the state is the mobilization of the �sleeping� Latino majority in South Texas, especially in the seven major border counties where 90 per cent of the population is of Mexican origin

[...]

However when the fog of battle dissipated, Democrats were stunned to discover that a high turnout had instead propelled a Trump surge along the border. In the three Rio Grande Valley counties (the agricultural corridor from Brownsville to Rio Grande City) which Clinton had carried by 40 per cent, Biden harvested a margin of only 15 per cent. More than half of the population of Starr County, an ancient battlefield of the Texas farmworkers movement, lives in poverty yet Trump won 47 per cent of the vote, an incredible gain of 28 per cent since 2016. Further up river he actually flipped 82 per cent Latino Val Verde County (Del Rio) as well as Zapata County, which no Republican has won since the end of Reconstruction.

[...]

On the other side of the ledger, there was a spectacular wave of support in South Texas for Bernie Sanders during the March �Super-Tuesday� primary. After the withdrawal of San Antonio�s favourite son Juli�n Castro from the race at the beginning of January (he immediately endorsed Elizabeth Warren), rank-and-file tejano Democrats rallied to Sanders. With 200 young Latino organizers working full-time for his national campaign and helping shape its strategy, Sanders was able to speak to the Valley communities with a passionately informed voice. As was the case with the Nevada caucuses in February, radicalized Latino youth and their working-class families embraced his platform of universal healthcare, free public higher education, a $15 minimum wage, and pathways to citizenship for undocumented populations.

[...]

Biden�s nomination and Cuellar�s narrow victory were twin disappointments that deflated the enthusiasm of Sanders� voters, ratifying the widespread perception that centrist Democrats give no priority to fighting for the interests of the Border working class.

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But it�s indisputable that Trump succeeded in winning over significant numbers of former Obama voters, many of them union members, in rustbelt counties that were organized by the cio in the 1930s and were for generations rock solid Democratic. This was alarming since it seemed to correspond to the electoral success that far-right populist parties in Europe have enjoyed in similarly depressed economies such as the north of England, the French Nord, Tuscany, and eastern Germany. And because so many of these Trump voters had been supporters of the first Black president, it was not obvious that they were motivated by the same kind of racism that infused the northern Wallace vote in 1968 and produced so many Reagan Democrats in 1980.

[...]

The continuing Democratic deficit relative to 2012, however, remains more a Trump vote than a Republican vote. Election returns in these counties and their core cities reveal much higher levels of support for local Democratic candidates and their pro-union positions than for Biden. In light of Clinton�s debacle he was more attentive to such places, but no better prepared to answer the question that every rank-and-file Democrat or former Democrat in the older industrial states has been asking for more than a generation: �What will you do to increase job opportunities and economic security here in Erie (or Laredo or Camden or Wilkes�Barre and so on)?� �Millions of green energy jobs��Biden�s mantra�is an abstraction that utterly fails to connect to the concrete circumstances of people like the locomotive builders laid off after their 2019 strike against ge in Erie or to the J. C. Penney salespeople in Brooklyn thrown out into the street in late September after Amazon drove the famed department chain into bankruptcy. A whole generation of first-in-the-family college graduates�now working as peons for Uber or delivering groceries for Amazon�are unlikely to imagine their future as solar panel installers or software technicians for an otherwise fully automated trucking company. For every �green power� job created, automation and depressed demand will probably dispose of five or ten traditional jobs.

Real solutions demand geographically targeted public investment, control over capital flight and financial outflows, regional economic planning, and, above all, a massive expansion of public employment and public ownership. This is a road that few elected Democrats apart from the open socialists in the �Squad� are prepared to go down or even consider, no matter how much it corresponds to needs at the grassroots. In fairness to mainstream American liberals, however, neither the British Labour Party nor the big continental social-democratic parties have found the will to forcefully address similar questions of regional economic decline and high, structurally consolidated levels of youth un- and under-employment.

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If Reagan came to power aligned with a historic anti-union offensive led by the Business Roundtable�a coalition of Fortune 500 corporations�Trump came to the White House thanks to the love of Jesus and a motley crew of what Sam Farber refers to as �lumpen capitalists.�

In addition to family dynasties, mainly based on oil wealth like the Kochs, who have been around since the days of Goldwater and the John Birch Society, Trump�s key allies are post-industrial robber barons from hinterland places like Grand Rapids, Wichita, Little Rock and Tulsa, whose fortunes derive from real estate, private equity, casinos, and services ranging from private armies to chain usury.

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But suburbs are no longer the big story, at least from the standpoint of geographers and political sociologists. �Despite the common perception that the us has become a �suburban nation��, write Laura Taylor and Patrick Hurley, �exurbia has emerged as the dominant settlement pattern across the country, characterized by different patterns of development and lifestyle expectations from cities, towns, and suburbs, with houses in scenic, natural areas on relatively large acreages.�

[...]

Since then exurbs, enabled by platform capitalism and virtual commuting, have more than tripled in population to 34 million, and Bain & Company�s Macro Trends Group projects that they will surpass the urban centre population within the next generation.

[...]

Despite syndicated columnist and sprawl aficionado David Brooks�s startling 2017 prediction that the exurbs would someday become the new �Democratic heartland�, the opposite seems to be the case. Although there are some solidly blue exurbs�for instance, Buncombe County (Asheville), nc and Mendocino County, ca�they remain exceptional. Trump won the exurban vote (222 counties) by a whopping 17 per cent in 2016, a majority that Biden is unlikely to have eroded.

quote:

55 million may be a decent approximation of the hardcore component of his 73 million votes.footnote29 But who are the other 18 million Trump voters, the �softcore� who annulled a Democratic landslide? A Pew survey of registered voters conducted in the second week of October revealed that the top issue was the economy (35 per cent), followed by racial inequality (20 per cent), the pandemic (17 per cent), crime and safety (11 per cent) and the Affordable Care Act (11 per cent).

[...]

presenting Biden as the authentic jobs candidate who would revive the economy through an aggressive national plan to contain the pandemic and ensure safe working conditions by a full use of federal power to produce ppe and ratchet up workplace inspections. He was given multiple opportunities to take the offensive and win the jobs vote. The first was in April and May when tens of thousands of healthcare and Amazon workers went into the streets to protest dangerous working conditions. Both Sanders and Warren cheered the strikes and offered supportive legislation, but Biden remained silent in his basement in Delaware. After maskless Memorial Day celebrations egged on by Trump stoked infections to record levels, he had an opportunity to steal the Republicans� pants and launch an ad campaign about the White House�s threat to the recovery. He didn�t.

[...]

Most importantly, the debates on the stimulus bills should have unleashed grassroots actions by unions and community organizations in support of the Democratic proposals. Instead Pelosi locked progressives out of the discussion and conducted private negotiations with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. By October millions of people were desperately waiting for a new relief package to pay rents, mortgages and doctors� bills, but Pelosi refused to accept the $2 trillion package offered at the last minute by the White House

[...]

This would have given both Biden and Democratic Senate candidates powerful ammunition to use in the final exchange of fire. Instead Pelosi and the leadership �took a gamble and assumed that failed negotiations would further hobble the Republicans at the polls and doom Trump�s reelection prospects, even if it meant risking no deal at all. This left millions in the lurch, exposed their own cynicism, and ultimately allowed Trump to feign more interest in providing economic relief than the Democrats.�footnote30 Millions of worried voters as a result were presented with a zero-sum choice that should never have been necessary.

[...]

Galston, of course, doesn�t factor in the future of economic growth or the scenario of a stagnant economy with high levels of structural unemployment and poverty�a nightmare that weighed heavily upon the minds of millions of voters in early November and, as I have suggested, motivated many of them to hold their noses and cast ballots for Trump

mila kunis has issued a correction as of 17:20 on Dec 3, 2020

# ¿ Dec 3, 2020 17:17

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

The REAL Goobusters posted:

going to be funny when nothing actually happens to aoc and this thread keeps malding out of control

hehe things are bad and nothing will improve

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 00:14

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

lol
https://twitter.com/BLeeForCongress/status/1345844133873725442

this has to be some kind of taunting right

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 03:12

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Post Ironic Cereal posted:

Wait, I think I missed something, what did the BLM protests end up getting us that the FTV one didnt

i thought the point of FTV was to force the debate regardless of whether it succeeded or not? why are you holding the democratic party's resistance to change in the face as a point against BLM?

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 15:48

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Post Ironic Cereal posted:

It's not against BLM but the fact is that even organizing huge crowds on a massive scale got us exactly jack and poo poo.

and therefore we should support FTV, which doesn't seem very organized? i don't understand what you're going for

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 15:57

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Killin_Like_Bronson posted:

Using Venezuela as a gotcha is something neoconservatives and neoliberals love when they reach the point of ignorance and just want to smear poo poo. Good job

he's using chavez as a positive example are you dumb

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 16:30

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

'BLM is a failure' is a massively idiotic position to hold. defund the police has been muzzled because the only path to anything changing is the destruction of the democratic party and that hasn't happened, but as jinnigan said there's been a pretty big increase in people that have been completely disillusioned with the political process, in organizing, in forging the links and contacts and networks and propaganda you're going to need to get to that point

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 16:33

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Vomik posted:

everytime internet "leftists" say "organizing" it reminds me of cult leaders who are trying to explain to their members why they haven't achieved enlightenment yet and need to give just a bit more money

people in my neighbourhood organized tenants together to prevent rent hikes and stop families from losing their housing during a pandemic. gently caress off

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 16:59

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

ty for agreeing ftv accomplished the same things as blm, even if at a lesser scale

i dont have a problem with ftv, just with disparaging blm

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 21:30

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Bootleg Trunks posted:

Biden doesn't deserve a democratic senate

i hope he gets it because the excuses will sound even more hollow when they cant point to a republican senate

# ¿ Jan 5, 2021 23:21

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1346971953106661384

what kind of alleged socialist wants to preserve the US constitution instead of shredding it apart smdh

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 01:11

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

good news all. now there's urgency for a performative vote that won't pass!

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1346973872332091393

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 01:24

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

gay_crimes posted:

wait... forcing a vote that won't pass... huh? dont they know that this will do NOTHING

raising awareness for getting rid of a guy whos gone in less than a month is very important, doing it for an ongoing crisis thats ruined the lives of millions isn't

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 01:28

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

after listening to the war nerd eps on the yeltsin coup this poo poo makes me so much more angry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBmtkW3Tl8

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 01:55

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

wrap this thread up its over

https://twitter.com/DeadKennedys/status/1347008399565680640

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 04:04

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

spacemang_spliff posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/cackerman1/status/1348966815976861696

(they're still donating to the democrat party)

The democrats are going to become the party of capitalist/military industrial complex/elite unity lol

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 17:54

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

RaySmuckles posted:

i got bad news for you about the current condition of things....

they were de facto unified but de jure pretended to split along two mostly identitcal party lines, trump has changed that! one party liberal state like japan with several lost decades and a government whose only real job is to pour trillions into keeping stocks up lets goooo

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 18:03

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

spacemang_spliff posted:

lmao anarchists

https://twitter.com/spurtmagoo/status/1348899372310806528

https://twitter.com/schmeltRskeltR/status/1348902950782046208

what the hell is the deal with anarchists. anytime i see people saying you should support NATO and american interventions, that there was "nuance" about the bolivian coup, that all radicals should vote for biden, all kinds of bad things but "leftistly" its some idiot identifying as an anarchist

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 18:12

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Agrajag posted:

man hong kong protestors are being real loving stupid here

this is who they are lol, right wing reationaries

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 19:25

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Dalael posted:

Wtf? Who did I yell at? My post about yelling at the corner store owner was a response to ppl who claim all bosses are bad no exceptions.

Its an exxaggeration trying to show the point that not all bosses are multi billionaire ceos and many are just regular folks barely making ends meet, often working insane hours themselves.

why do you think atlantis is bolivia

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 19:28

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Dalael posted:

The old chinese guy and his wife working the corner store next to my house, the true exploiters

exploitation isn't necessarily a moral judgement, it's just a process in which, by definition, an enteprise cannot be profitable if it pays workers the full value of their work in capitalism

also small business owners have been some of the biggest pieces of poo poo i've ever had to work for

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 19:37

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Dalael posted:

I'm french. Its entirely possible that i do not know an english word.

So now that i googled it:

I am very much pro unions.

What is loving wrong with you all? What in the gently caress did i post that makes you all want to dogpile me thinking im some Maga hat wearer

i responded to you pretty politely

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 19:44

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Dalael posted:

Yeah im fine with Atlantis posts.

no, the other one

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 19:45

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 12:54

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Mercrom posted:

i dont really buy the employer-employee focused view of exploitation. owning and hoarding the means of production is the actual source of exploitation. not that there is a difference in the real world but still, all this talk about "value extraction" sounds like academic bull

how the gently caress are profits made then

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 20:10

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