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Guavanaut posted:I think that if you're in a place where you can't see the sky you keep time by the last place you were when you could see the sky. Speaking of which, where's that website for the political leaflets, this white nonsense just came through the door:    Strong Gap Yah vibes coming off the lad, still using the hacked graphs though I see. https://www.richardbenwell.uk/ New podcast game: 14 or 40?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The short version is that centrists pushed Miliband to make it easier to vote in internal Labour elections because they thought it would benefit them. Spoiler: it didn't. For me it was the photo doing the rounds on facebook of him taking the bus home like a normal human being, which landed IIRC in the middle of the expenses scandal, where IDS was claiming £80 for one breakfast and Theresa May was trying to claim over £100k including her husband's porn bill. Sometimes I think we need to get that photo doing the rounds again. Just a guy on the bus, coming home after trying to make the world a better place. It's hard to imagine him as a machivellian genius in that light.
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willie_dee posted:Haven't all the papers now been bought up by billionaires? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-inheritance-tax-cut-john-mcdonnell-threshold-a8981991.html Labour are looking into lowering the tax free threshold, every other paper is saying that this means you can't give your kids your house. I mean £125k isn't enough to outright buy a house, but then I guess that's the point - it's enough to get a mortgage and a decent down payment, and inherited wealth is morally wrong.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Did you see RockyB's effort post on dividends too? I was looking for it in response to an uncle on FB who posted a Metro article. Primarily the attack line the papers are taking is that Labour WILL rob your kids of your house, but looking at the quotes involved McDonnell says he is interested by the idea, they are consulting on it and trying to work out how to implement it fairly, and a Labour spokesman says it's not currently policy. It seems like he is more interested in the idea of taxing per recipient instead of the current system of taxing the deceased's estate (which fucks over anyone with more than one child / beneficiary). willie_dee posted:Agreed but the public are not ready to hear that yet, its an election loser. Man I wish the public understood politics. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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baka kaba posted:what are people saying in response to Labour cutting the married couples' allowance? The whole "nobody earning under 80k will pay any more tax" line is really powerful, so anything that contradicts it ends up being just as powerful as a result. When a lot of people think they're gonna be worse off by specific amount it kinda rings hollow E: 
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Ms Adequate posted:Honestly the fact it's such a bonkers scenario makes me far more inclined to give it credit lmao Got to admit, throwing a dead queen on the table is a hell of a step up for Rees Mogg.
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baka kaba posted:But nobody's suggested replacing it, right? The grey book just says it's being scrapped
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yeah I've looked and can't find anything. In a weird, roundabout way most people are going to be too poor to really benefit from it anyway - It only kicks in if you're in a marriage where one of you makes less than 10k a year. Everyone is entitled to their first 10k of earnings tax free. The Married Person's Allowance lets you transfer any of your leftover allowance to your partner. HMRC applies that 10k (or however much is left) tax free to your partner's income, and you get about £250 a year if the entire £10k allowance is transferred, i.e. if one of you makes zero income. So to get the allowance, you'd have to be in a marriage where one person doesn't work or makes less than 10k a year, and the other person can afford for them not to work. And if that's the case, £250 a year is chump change. If you work part time it'll be even less. Again, I say this as someone who currently gets the allowance and uses it to level out financially after xmas. In the grand scheme of things it's really not a lot, generally it barely touches the sides on a post-xmas overdraft. Am I annoyed I won't get it any more? A bit, at first. But it's really not a huge deal compared to the prospect of actually being able to claim PiP or the UC replacement without having to worry about being beaten to death with a clipboard. But yeah, unfortunately the messaging from most sites is that Labour are 'taking it away' from 'hard working families' and most voters don't know enough about it to really appreciate how small a loss it is or how it only really applies to single income families who can probably do without it. Of course, the absolute state the press is in, it's entirely possible McDonnell has been screaming a clarification from the rooftops and we'd never loving hear it.
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I looked at my crazy gammon father-in-law's facebook page after having blocked him about 6 months ago. The funny thing is, he's not far off on the problems, it's just that final leap of logic into what to do about them. He has a lot of memes about how the NHS is important and under threat (even sharing an infodump from a remain page). Tons of stuff about how the Lib Dems are liars. How the BBC are terrible. But instead of looking into why these things are the way they are, he just rages against them and lets the tabloids feed that rage and misdirect it towards foreigners. I almost feel though like he's primed for a conversion to Labour at the moment, and if I could have a calm, reasoned chat with him about it while looking stuff up on my phone, I could get him turn it round. I've never felt like that was possible before, because he's always had a kind of impenetrable, irrational anger about the issues. But looking at his page, he is so frustratingly close to piecing it together in a way he hasn't before. His wife has chronic illness so maybe the NHS is what's making things less clear cut. I guess the positive thing is that most of the poo poo he's sharing is giving off strong "Don't bother voting" vibes rather than "Vote Tory," so at least if I chicken out it's not a total loss.
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ukle posted:This might be significant Although why the gently caress would Putin want Corbyn in?
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Just finished listening to the manifesto podcast. Very good stuff, feeling particularly energised by the DWP stuff on a very personal level. Looking forward to an end to the hostile environment against welfare so I can have enough money to not feel like a constant drain on my wife's existence. I know to the shitheaps in the comments section that this fuels the 'Labour for the lazy' stuff and that willing conflation between the sick and disabled, and those unwilling to work. Speaking of which: Azza Bamboo posted:Seeing as I haven't held a consistent job in my life and have spent more of my adult life on benefits than in work and have lived in his house the whole time, I can see how I'm frustrating to him. I grew up with this poo poo from my Dad as well, constantly having a go at his brother for being 'idle,' never 'wanting' a job and 'sponging' off welfare (this was long before Blair's reforms meant you had to account for your actions on jobseeker's). It got so bad that we stopped talking to them and I grew up internalising this resentment over him apparently having Sky while we didn't. I grew up just not really talking to him or seeing him much, didn't even know where he lived or how to get in contact with him. Then I grew up and what'd you know, spent most of my adult life unable to hold down a job. A lot of the traits I now understand to be part of the autism spectrum were there in him, and definitely in his daughter who my melt mam said they had 'had diagnosed with something' so they could claim extra payments. He died a year or two ago. Wouldn't surprise me to find out it was down to stress from austerity, although Dad claimed he 'retired' from benefits when he was 50. It's weird to think of my dad disowning his own brother like that, weird also to think I have a cousin out there who is probably getting annihilated by austerity and I have no way of getting in contact with her. It's left me with this fear that my own brothers see me the same way, so I feel like I have to be careful to not to talk about anything nice I have on social media, to always seem 'appropriately ashamed' of my situation I suppose. I doubt my older brother feels that way but I'm pretty sure my younger brother does. Sins of the father and all that. Anyway. Tories delenda est.
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"If that's not an accurate representation of 2019, I don’t know what is."
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RockyB posted:Haven't seen the actual text of this so far, but apparently Labour's disability manifesto is out today. And it's loving over PIPs. Ending the hostile environment means being able to just go to the shops and get a meal deal without hoping the missus has left some cash for me. Purple Prince posted:Ideally you would want DWP people to know about any difficulties so they can signpost / access other support services and programs. But given how that's gone under the Tory DWP it makes sense to be concerned. Listen to the podcast and skip to the social security section if you have to, it's good stuff. They've genuinely thought about how to fix this. Also local Labour candidate throwing shade at the Lib Dem barcharts:  RockyB posted:It could have just been Jezza paying some Lithuanian lad to hack it after the tories redacted everything in the FOI version.
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jo-swinson-wins-court-bid-20967854 Jo Swinson won a court case saying she didn't recieve 14k from a fracking company. She recieved it as a personal donation from the head of a fracking company via her campaign office, which is totally fine and not at all concerning.
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Tarnop posted:I've read the document and it doesn't say anything about removing back-to-work targets.   And while you're technically correct - there is no direct mention of removal of targets - I can't see how targets could happen under this system. AFAIK they were a product of ATOS so that the Conservatives could dissassociate themselves from it, and also since they were targets put in place by a private contractor, no vote in parliament was required. By bringing the assessments back in-house under a government who are stating their aim as a system which "treats people with dignity and respect" and will "end poverty by guaranteeing a minimum standard of living," It's not possible to reconcile that (especially the second statement) with a system which leaves people with nothing. I believe that "giving effect to the UN convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and amending the Equalities Act" will not only achieve this, but enshrine it in law to prevent future Tory fuckery against the disabled. The final paragraph mentions helping disabled people wanting to work, but I really don't see how it's possible to read the rest of the manifesto and worry that the assessments are going to be anything like what we have now. E: Also now that I think about it, they're also pretty clear about ending UC's conflation of unemployment and disability, which is what led to this bullshit about targets in the first place. Yeah it's reading between the lines, but there are so many positive statements it's hard not to join them up and see a new paradigm which makes the targets impossible. I've been through pre-DWP joblessness and the second I mentioned dyspraxia (the misdiagnosis I had at the time) the staff were 100% on board. If I said I couldn't do it, I didn't have to apply for a job. The pre DWP disability assessment was a case of turning up with my edPsych report and talking to an assessor who took my statements at face value. I still have the report they did somewhere. My understanding from talking to two friends who are registered blind was a similar case of getting an NHS diagnosis, taking that in, and then the assessor pretty much said "what do you need." I'd be interested to hear more opinions from other posters of what pre-tory (and especially pre-Blair) assessments were like, but my understanding is that they were a case of proving you were disabled and then they'd pretty much leave you alone unless you wanted help finding work. It's all good stuff and I am excited for DSS times. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Oh dear me posted:Unemployment benefit was turned into Jobseekers allowance in 1996, Blair went on about handup not handout in 1999. The downside is that unemployment support might still probably be vulnerable to lovely blairite ideology, but hopefully the 'guaranteeing a minimum standard of living' part will help. Tarnop posted:e: this is the document I'm quoting btw https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Breaking-Down-Barriers.pdf * Though as previously mentioned, some physical disability campaigners can still be pricks about learning difference / mental illness, so hopefully it's consulted on by the relevant disabilities.
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OwlFancier posted:This too which is why I wish the left had more efforts to reach people other than banging on their doors during the election. The Labour club closed down a year or two after I moved here, but it was a dingy little pub with the same three lifers sat staring into pints downstairs and a tiny function room upstairs with a badly leaking roof. The state of the two venues probably reflects the state of donations - Conservatives are rich bastards who look after their own, so their hall gets loads of donations, whereas Labour are trying to look after the poor who generally don't have the spare cash to donate. I mean there were also issues of mismanagement from the woman left to manage it solo while going through a messy divorce, the council trying to rezone that whole strip as a hotel, and the self-defeating, working-class conservative nature of the town's gammon population to take into account as well. But given that I try to keep up with the local party news, there is just no leftist social presence in town any more outside of a few small cliques who don't invite new people. I don't have the time or energy to fight that uphill battle and with my history of socialising I really don't think I'm the person to be leading the charge, but you're absolutely right, we need more leftist social events. As a side note, this is is why I like humanism even though I'm christian myself. I feel like there is a whole social aspect to weddings, baptisms, even holidays like easter and xmas which secular people miss out on. It's nice to have a social space you can just go to and know that the people there are primed to socialise and welcome new people (though this very much depends on the faith and sect in question). The social side of English churches is definitely something I want to see more of outside religious settings.
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Purple Prince posted:It's total BS. Neuroplasticity means your whole personality can flip to something different in the course of a few years, so why would politics be exempt from that? 20-30 is largely spent dealing with the 'realities' of work (i.e. a trickle down FYGM mentality from management that encourages people to behave like dicks to anyone below them) and generally entrenches things like crab bucket mentalities and the aforementioned FYGM mentalities towards subordinates. The older you get the worse your neuroplaticity gets. After 25 or 30, it gets worse, and trying to form new connections causes worse and worse stress, releases cortisol (which impairs movement of memory from short to long term) and generally sets off most of the 'this is bad' alarms your head has. This is why your nan gets so angry when you try to tell her how PDFs work, or why Trump gets so mad when you tell him he can't say [national stereotype] any more. You absolutely can fight it and learn new things after 21, but the older you get the more you have to consciously exert willpower over the process, and that's something most people won't be aware of or won't want to do. Even the process of consciously overcoming your biases is something you kind of have to learn either while young or by force (i.e. because you lost your job and got sanctioned and suddenly have no choice but to accept that the tories might be shits). * or penises if they're tories
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Camrath posted:Very much this. I've posted a lot in the past on the journey I took from being pretty goddamned far to the right (I was a full-on libertarian up until my thirties, and this place is the main reason I swung so hard in the opposite direction). Nobody over the age of about 30 just happens across an opposing political theory and casually drifts toward it, you have to engage with it and be the kind of person who is either willing or forced to put up with the resulting stress. Most people just let their thoughts drift into familiar patterns, which are usually "Work good, politics bad, money good, anything that threatens the status quo bad." Azza Bamboo posted:Broke: throat talking Azza Bamboo posted:I get the feeling it's a sliver of people who don't want the poor to starve, but feel threatened by the idea of the common working person having equal status with them. A softer, kinder elitism.
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stev posted:That's good to hear. I've always had a problem with crying. I think I've done it properly twice in the last ten years. This is a good one but only because I was not expecting this part of Warframe when it happened, and kind of had a mini personality crisis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEiTgU-hM5k ro5s posted:This is the one that always gets me, it's way easier for me to happy cry and that episode and the ending are absolutely perfect.
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Did they really salt the earth or is that an urban / biblical myth?
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Azza Bamboo posted:I want to clarify that my suggestions can also be implemented in the latter years of Corbyn's term when he wins.
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Satire is officially dead. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/15/margaret-thatcher-iron-lady-ira Stewart Lee posted:There are many revelations in the released documents that appear with hindsight to show Thatcher implementing unambiguously brilliant and pragmatic strategies. Much has been made of how, despite the terrifying reality of their threats to her, she nevertheless "opened the back door for negotiations with the IRA" and initiated the peace process that Tony Blair took credit for. I went to the Public Record Office to scour the documents.
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Qwertycoatl posted:I think I'd rather Boris didn't do the interview. "Boris is frit" is a better narrative than Boris actually doing it and it being pretty softball because Neil is a tory
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floofyscorp posted:'People of colour' isn't nearly racist enough of a phrase for Johnson to be familiar with, let alone use. It's really interesting, because if it was colour, it tracks conpletely with tory hostile environment policy. If it's talent it makes no goddamn sense, because what, he wants to limit and control the number of talented people choosing to join the UK? The whole sentence changes meaning over that one word.
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Bundy posted:Everything Dyson makes is plastic poo poo that is awesome for approx 0.2s of initial use before capitalist built in obsolescence comes down like a massive plastic anvil, gently caress him Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:BTW has anyone put "Burnsy, Cheeks, Gibbo, Josh, Morty& Ricey" on a t-shirt yet?
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OwlFancier posted:What did they say to the, y'know, actual jews who said the AS stuff was a load of bollocks?
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I wonder if you showed this shot of the mural (or even a hi-res photo straight-on) to people using it as evidence of antisemitism, if they could see the bankers that look so antisemitic. Might be a good counter. I'm not saying that they're not there or that they're not a problem, but if someone's going to attack Corbyn for not seeing them, they loving better be able to see it themselves. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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The only way I can see cool uncle Jez giving out Amazon vouchers is if they're share certificates for when he nationalises it. E: Also I was confused about why Trickjaw's dad taking him to Something Awful as a kid would be bad, then I remembered Aatrek.
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Apraxin posted:
This also has a secondary effect on potential leftists who sometimes think "poo poo, what if I'm like that" and melt into a centrist compromise, dragging the overton window firmly over to the right. [1] Source: My loving idiot father-in-law Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Darth Walrus posted:They're not scrapping it, they're expanding it to other couples (civil partnerships and the like). It's a broader tax break, not a narrower one. Junkenstein posted:What are some good examples of parts of the NHS that have already been privatised, to counter the 'if tories wanted to sell the NHS they would have done it by now' bullshit? Non priority means that either; 1 - Only certain ops are deemed to be non priority (in which case your trust has a financial incentive to deny you it and we start getting into US-like areas of HMOs), - Or it means that ALL hip replacements / steroid injections are now deemed non priority, which is bullshit. Either way, this is a change made under the tories that means the nhs is no longer free at the point of service, which is a dangerous step for it to be taking. Oh, and some GP surgeries in London are charging for priority appointment slots, but I can't find a source because the Sun and Mail are spamming a study that says people should have to pay £25 loving quid for an appointment. I remember it was on an underground ad. Nettle Soup posted:My friend is worrying about a Labour government, because the house she'll inherit when her parents die is worth over 450k. McDonnell said in an interview (so not the manifesto) they are looking into ways to fairly implement a £125k per recipient cap, so larger families will actually benefit more per person. It sounds like it's got a lot of planning still to go, but it's also supposed to curb inhertited wealth, so... Sorry but the policy is working as designed? £125k is enough for a very decent down-payment on a mortgage, a mortage she'd be able to pay easily under Labour's welfare & social security plans. Braggart posted:THAT'S WHAT THE BREADLINES WILL LOOK LIKE IF CORBYN GETS IN!!!
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Angepain posted:https://twitter.com/HarryJosieGiles/status/1203409303736111104 By having different spaces for trans and afab women, all they're ensuring is that the funding for the trans only spaces starts at half that of the afab space, and conveniently disappears as the local councils handwring about having to prioritise. Braggart posted:Which crisps go best with beans up yer backside, thread? HopperUK posted:I'm still thinking about 'binini' and chuckling to myself and I'm not even drunk. 
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I think this is a great glimpse of Tory mentality. While NHS rules prevent profiteering entering ots books, the managers and ministers themselves often take gifts in return for their service. The US healthcare service is fantastic at this, having long done it in the form of flying decision makers out to luxury resorts, giving them a presentation in the form of a huge buffet, entertainment etc and promising them a ton of consultancy work afterwards. So this is Mancock trying to buy himself a consultancy when this is all over, and sod the consequences in terms of privacy issues.
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Good video doing the rounds on reddit: https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1203319846345281541?s=19
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I think there's something about TV that bends peoole's brains. Like the last leg, presented by two disabled men, and they're going all-in on the 'but Corbyn's just as bad' bullshit because that's what they think neutrality is. It's not criticising both, it should be dispassionately stating the policies of both and letting the public decide. But because every journo including loving Schofield wants to be the new Paxman, they have to find ways of saying labour is bad. Leveson 2 can't come soon enough.
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