2020 General Election: The death march to the White House

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Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

eric ciaramella posted:

Joe biden is a rapist.

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Zero effort posting? Is someone being a rapist not a strong argument against them to you? You are signaling that it's not okay to bring up, bluntly and honestly, that Joe Biden is a rapist. What the gently caress?

# ¿ May 1, 2020 19:56

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Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Fool of sound I have no personal fights with you but this is just like when eatma was mod

# ¿ May 1, 2020 19:58

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

nivdes posted:

Annual premiums were much higher than the penalty for the vast, vast majority of people my dude

That doesn't matter healthcare usable my dude

# ¿ May 2, 2020 00:23

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

relax-o-vision posted:

OK, so you feel it is morally acceptable to allow neo-nazis to remain in power, got it. Thank you for your candor.

You might be confusing this poster with Presidential Candidate Joe Biden, who had said he will collaborate with Nazis

# ¿ May 2, 2020 16:32

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

StratGoatCom posted:

https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/1256706588695552005

Now they're trying fumbling attempts at intimidation against the folks covering Read.

VOTE OUT THE FASCISTS

# ¿ May 2, 2020 23:50

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Yeah if he gets in again it’s probably over. It should keep everyone up at night.

Yeah well maybe they shouldn't have ran Joe Biden, noted rapist, and white supremacist who is actively hostile to the left

# ¿ May 3, 2020 00:43

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

nivdes posted:

are we now at the stage where we acknowledge how massively the left’s chances of seeing any sort of electoral relevance in the foreseeable future are diminished with a second trump victory, but it doesn’t matter anyway because Biden would still be worse

You know what yeah

# ¿ May 3, 2020 01:06

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

fool of sound posted:

Reminder that you are expected to put forward bare minimum effort on posts in this thread. Posting single line spam is going to get your probated regardless of if it's correct. If you have a problem with that, post in CSPAM instead, that's what it's for.

# ¿ May 3, 2020 01:08

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

nivdes posted:

Oh my response to those questions is simple, the Biden campaign doesn’t run the primaries in the states and neither does the DNC. Those are state election boards which are constrained by state election laws, which may not allow for last minute changes allowing drastic expansions of vote by mail.

Okay

# ¿ May 3, 2020 01:09

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

you're in a privileged position if they aren't both your enemies

# ¿ May 3, 2020 03:43

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Somfin posted:

Obviously you have to go down to your local polling place and put in your legally-guaranteed vote for the "dismantle the American state please thank you" ballot initiative

They count those as Trump votes

# ¿ May 3, 2020 05:37

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Rape deniers gently caress off and eat poo poo

# ¿ May 3, 2020 14:22

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Endorph posted:

I think if the genders were reversed things would definitely be different but only because approximately 80% of the planet thinks its impossible for a woman to sexually assualt a man.

They don't even think it's possible for a woman to sexually assault a boy

# ¿ May 3, 2020 14:41

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

The hashtag resist liberals turned into r/incel MRA guys in a matter of days.

Being a poor woman trying to survive is karening now

# ¿ May 3, 2020 15:05

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Ague Proof posted:

Expect the GOP to focus hard on trans kids and sports.

Broke: vote blue no matter who
Woke: arming the queers

# ¿ May 3, 2020 23:10

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

I think I can put in words something I’ve been thinking finally.

The conflation of fascism with liberalism is bullshit. Socialism is preferable to both. But one of the bad options is preferable to the other. It benefits fascists to conflate the two. Capitalism was after all preferable to feudalism and consequently is preferable to a conservative romanticism (eg fascism).

The libs aren't doing a god drat thing to stop the fascists, Joe Biden will work with Republicans and is on record as such

# ¿ May 3, 2020 23:24

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Araenna posted:

Just a reminder: there are people who have been sexually assaulted reading this thread. Many (most?) have been called liars. There are people who came forward and were interrogated and judged and dragged through the mud. There are people who haven't come forward out of fear.

When you dig into Reade's past to find any flaw you can use to discredit her no matter how unrelated they are to the credibility of her claims, you're making an argument to sexual assault survivors that they shouldn't be believed if they aren't perfect. When you do that while ignoring Biden's own checkered past, and the video evidence of him touching women inappropriately, you're telling sexual assault survivors that their claims won't even be considered unless they have 100% hard evidence. When you say that they would have come out sooner if it were true, you're telling survivors that if they didn't tell everyone they know they were raped immediately, it's too late to tell people about their assault. When you say there would be a complaint or police report, you're telling survivors who were too afraid to come forward at the time, or who couldn't get police to take a report, that it's too late now to do anything. When you call Reade a liar but #metooed Ford, you are telling sexually assault survivors that they will only be believed by people if it benefits them, and will be torn down by those it hurts, even if those people claimed to be supportive of survivors in the past. When you argue that, even if it were true, Trump "actually raped" more women, you're telling sexual assault survivors that people are willing to straight up support a rapist if it benefits them. When you say that refusing to vote for Biden is a sign of privilege, you're saying that sexual assault survivors that they are privileged because they can't bring themselves to vote for a rapist. When you make the caveat that you understand tape survivors not voting for Biden, you're telling rape survivors that it's not actually morally justified to refuse to vote for a rapist. When you say that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump, you're telling sexual assault survivors that, no matter what they do, they are responsible for a rapist being president.

We're here, and we're listening.

# ¿ May 4, 2020 13:43

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

i'm sorry for all the times i posted the toast EHF

# ¿ May 4, 2020 17:23

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Halloween Jack posted:

If it's down to the wire, election meddling will make far more of a difference than your individual vote.

People have done this and it's pretty annoying. The if X, then Y in four years arguments are uniformly deluded.

If it is to be, it is up to me

# ¿ May 4, 2020 17:38

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Yuzenn posted:

If you live in a swing state your vote completely matters more than mine in a solid blue state, that's an irrefutable fact. Hilary lost Michigan by less than 10,000 votes, and yes while no ONE individual vote decided the election it's the sum of a bunch of individual decisions that helped swing an election. Don't be pedantic because no election has come down to a singular vote, the picture you're trying to make since you don't get to be the sole decider of an election directly through your vote then you shouldn't even participate and that's utterly ridiculous, we need more participation not less.

So, what lesson did we learn from 2016?

Far more folks CAN'T participate in the system and both parties a are dead set on keeping it that way

# ¿ May 4, 2020 17:58

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Euphoriaphone posted:

Meta question but what was the tone of D&D towards the end of the 2016 primary? Was there as much pushback against the vote blue no matter who mentality as there is now?

I remember a lot of true believers but also a lot of folks who where bummed it wasn't Bernie voting against Trump

# ¿ May 5, 2020 03:08

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

bobjr posted:

Wasn't there a big focus on "Post the Map" where Trump wins? I do think the last email bomb right before did kill Hillary's chances and depressed turnout though.

I remember anime was right calling it clear as day when it happened

# ¿ May 5, 2020 03:14

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Ershalim posted:

It really does. I think one of the most visceral guh things I've ever read was someone explaining to me in a condescending manner that the democrats gave us rights as recently as the whole gay marriage thing. I don't remember who said it or where I saw it, but the idea that we should be grateful to our establishment betters for any morsel of liberty they deign to grace us with (because that's obviously how it works) was utterly maddening.

I don't know how to deal with the fact that a big portion of the country firmly seems to believe "if you're not decorous to them they won't give you rights!" and that that's somehow a desirable state.

We gave you gay rights! *gave exactly one right, still isn't sure about the T*

# ¿ May 5, 2020 14:25

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

I'm not trying to convince the Bernie or Bust crowd to vote D either. I'll continue to happily explain why voting (D) is the right thing to do in this election, but I certainly have no expectation that I'm going to convince a Something Awful Bernie or Buster over the internet to do the right thing.

Honestly I'm becoming more and more down with y'all doing your protest vote. Do it, feel good, and if things go the way I hope they do then we win a huge victory without you and can then safely write you off while the actual progressives follow the Virginia model and do the hard work to make the nation and the world better off.

Where along the line in the past 40 years did "doing the right thing" (read:voting blue) get us healthcare, trans rights, felon enfranchisement, raised wages or a fair housing market not controlled by predators?

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:03

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

I'm writing off (and just for this election, not like, forever) the Something Awful left that would rather see Trump elected than Joe Biden (if he ends up the candidate). Please don't put words in my mouth and make me out to be writing off such incredibly broad categories like "racial minorities" and "LGBTQ people". Unless you claim to speak for all racial minorities and LGBTQ people.

shut the gently caress up cis

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# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:05

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

If you worked within the system and built power within the system (Virginia model) then nobody could write you off. You are instead choosing to stand outside the system and shout "the system is bullshit, I will not be held hostage! You have no claim to my vote!" and are then angry when the people inside the system who are doing the hard work write you off as a crank.

help i'm trans how do I build power within a system that barely sometimes recognizes I exist

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:17

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

None of that is contradictory unless you think that no True Leftist could even bring themselves to vote for Joe Biden to beat Trump.

no true leftists thinks working politely with entrenched power gets anything done

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:18

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

I have a dream that my four children will one day work within the system using the virginia model

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:20

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

You are quoting me talking about the Virginia model, in which a trans woman (Danic Roem) is one of the great examples of the strategy working. Is that not encouraging? That seems like a fantastic step forward to me.

cool so what about the countless homeless queers, the queers who have no access to care, the queers excluded from the workforce. Where's their progress?

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:28

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

No, you waged a gleeful war against centrism and the legacy of Barack Obama (not arguing in their favor, but that's what you were doing), chanted "bend the knee, libs", and gambled that your 30% bloc of Bernie voters could win the Presidential nomination from within while the centrists were all disarrayed.

That is not the Virginia model.

please stop saying virginia model

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:29

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

RBA Starblade posted:

I have a dream that after I give the fascists the country, the Revolution will finally occur.

Wait why am I against the wall now that it occurred

Joe Biden is a white supremacist and rapist who will do nothing to protect you from the fascism that will continue to bubble up around your ankles during his presidency. He is going to be a propped up corpse while his handlers loot the country behind him.

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:31

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

RBA Starblade posted:

I'm under no illusion that most of you are more left than me at this point, but I also don't think it matters who you are if you're advancing the argument to usher in fascism so communism can somehow overthrow it. 10% chance to stop the apocalypse, right?

Exactly.

The libs are fascists. The libs are going to sell you out.

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:45

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

RBA Starblade posted:

They passed that point months ago, what we're seeing now are the contortions to justify it to themselves.

love to get talked down to by libs

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:47

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

RBA Starblade posted:

10%'s better than nothing, as that goon earlier said. Better make sure you get that 10 instead of zero. We can't afford it.

Biden is not going to protect you from climate apocalyse. His brain is fried. You are, at best, voting for his VP which will be picked by the party who just told all of us to gently caress off with wanting healthcare and a stable planet

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:52

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

So you're arguing that it is in your best interest for Trump to win another term.

RBA Starblade posted:

Exactly so. 10% to stop the apocalypse. Make sure of it.

# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:55

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

How are u posted:

If you live in a swing state and if Biden is ultimately the candidate then yes it is. Outside of that not so much.

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# ¿ May 5, 2020 19:59

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Jarmak posted:

Trump entire schtick is being the anti-Obama, his only consistent ideology has been undoing everything Obama did.

Trump wasn't the result of people being discontent because Obama wasn't a leftist. Trump is the reaction to Obama, he's the backlash caused by a) presidenting while black, and b) pushing the most milquetoast of compromise "progressive" reforms. Trump is the death rattle of far right olds freaking out because the country has changed and they don't have power anymore which happened to coincide with apathy over a lovely dem candidate and 8 years of having adults run the government lulling a lot of people into not taking Trump and his poo poo seriously. Every election since then has given us reason to think 2016 was an outlier.

Horseshoe theory is bullshit, it's not about how far you go down one ideology or another. Being a lovely authoritarian knows no specific ideology however, and the absolutely mythology that's getting pushed surrounding these elections, and the way people are adopting Trump bullshit whole-cloth just goes to show there's a core group within the left who are only distinguishable from the CHUDs by which groups they want the cruelty directed at.

Yeah man it's the coalition of marginalized <40 year olds that's going authoritarian

# ¿ May 5, 2020 20:08