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This thread is making me feel extremely old, offline. Also, GAS
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I watched some of her videos and despite the high production values found her arguments and "discussion" using straw-men to be extremely milquetoast and boring.
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Oct 22, 2020 02:36
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Vitamin P posted:unironically based white women Good. You are neither funny nor insightful, btw. So, good job failing on both counts and whining about memes while coming off as a massively smarmy liberal with 100% ego and exactly zero contents in the brain box. Do you have any arguments that aren’t regurgitations of YouTube personalities? If so I’d like to hear them. Otherwise please show yourself out
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Oct 26, 2020 02:04
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Okay here’s the BASIC rear end poo poo that most leftists want: Instead of trying to shame or brow beating us into voting, how about they run a candidate that is actually palatable and OFFERS people something in return for their vote. Oh you can’t? Too bad. No vote for you. No one and I mean no one in the history of this clustetfucked universe had to change their political platform once they’re voted in to suit the voters that voted them in. No loving one. So the only chance for us, to have our concerns heard is before we credulously vote these fucks into office. And since they offer nothing and have doubled down on offering nothing, excuse me for just stating the very loving obvious - this has, it seems, generated only very limited enthusiasm for these candidates. Gee I wonder why?
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Oct 26, 2020 02:09
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Diggus Bickus posted:Do you have an argument for how not voting for Biden produces better outcomes for people or are you just whining about how your feelings are hurt? My argument is right in the post. Sorry about your reading disability, but we try to be inclusive here. So, in case your question is actually honest and not another idiot straw-man troll: Only by showing the party/candidate/whomever that you are very much able to NOT vote for them will you be able to get them eventually to offer you a candidate/platform/policy that you can vote for, and then you get your better outcomes. Otherwise you are (and have been!) stuck in an eternal loop of lesser evil-ism, which is by definition of the term is still trending towards ultimate evil, just more slowly.
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Oct 26, 2020 03:12
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Diggus Bickus posted:So when Trump wins, the democrats will shift left. Got it. Thanks for putting it in words That's not what I said, nice straw-man. If they refuse to move politically then the voters will go somewhere else to someone or some party that is willing to offer them some concessions in return for their vote. The democrats can either adapt or wither. That's how it should work anyway. It won't work -- ever -- if we already pre-pledge our vote without getting ANYTHING and I mean ANYTHING in return. As an aside, I love how you acknowledge that the system is totally hosed and broken, but yet you yourself offer no alternative, but to perpetuate it.
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Oct 26, 2020 03:55
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Diggus Bickus posted:
Looking at the past record they sure as gently caress don't move left when they get elected. So, you point is? Diggus Bickus posted:Man this Joe Biden guy seems like a real piece of poo poo! I wonder who he's running against? Ah, the CHEETO.
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Oct 26, 2020 04:04
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jarofpiss posted:voting in this or any election is nothing more than a single strategy in a much larger struggle. it's in the democratic party's interest to expand access to the democratic process, and it's in the republican interest to restrict it. i think it's in our interest as socialists that the working class have access to the vote in this country, and therefore it is extremely important that we stop republican victories wherever possible. this has nothing to do with supporting the democratic party, they will still obviously work against us. I love all you guys insinuating that people don't vote instead of casting their vote for Howie or Gloria or anyone else who isn't either of these two pieces of poo poo. But I know why you have to. Because otherwise your boneheaded argument completely collapses.
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Oct 26, 2020 04:10
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Chillgamesh posted:maybe you should not capitulate to the people who made it so you had to pick between racist rapist death squad guy and extreme cheddar racist rapist death squad guy No but don't you see... you fool, you absolute imbecile...!!! Lying down and spreading their butt-cheeks totally works! Just look at the glorious results that strategy got us so far...
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Oct 26, 2020 04:13
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jarofpiss posted:"i think you should only vote third party for president if you sincerely believe that trump and the republican party do not represent a fascist danger or that you are positive that trump cannot win. i think the swing state nojoe voters are making a bad tactical decision." Trump has been less bad on foreign policy than Obama, that's a fact. Guess who started the whole castrate the immigrants and put children in cages thing? It was not Trump. The war on black and brown people in your own country? It was Joe Biden, among others. Who is denying people healthcare and financial aids in the MIDST OF A loving PANDEMIC? Biden. The current democratic party is as fascistic and as oligarchic with an additional veneer of decorum that you seem to crave so loving much. In fact one could make the argument that Trump is BETTER because at least the media-industrial-complex is antagonistic towards him. They would not be so under Biden. Your so-called alternative is well and truly loving god damned meaningless
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Oct 26, 2020 04:19
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Diggus Bickus posted:I mean that's super cool and all but they aren't going to influence the election any more than throwing your ballot away would. If your goal is to establish the socialist party as a real threat in the long run that's a stupid and irresponsible way to do it. Vote socialist on local seats, not on the loving presidency when fascism is literally on the table. Wrong, because just looking at it mathematically it will suppress the % of votes that Trump (and yes, Biden) gets.
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Oct 26, 2020 04:23
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jarofpiss posted:i didn't draw any distinctions between the candidates on these things? Ah yes, because there was no McCartyist smearing of progressives going on under Obama. Nor was there any racism. Give me a loving break. Things do feel worse, meaning more angry, more racist and bigoted, because people and societies tend to fall into bouts of self-destructive nihilist anger if they are in economic and social distress. And guess what? Neither of the two idiots on the ballot is going to meaningfully change any of that. It's getting worse either way. If you believe otherwise you are god damned loving delusional.
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Oct 26, 2020 04:28
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jarofpiss posted:i think you're a little too emotional about this and you didn't even engage with my lenin quote earlier. what is the better of the two possible outcomes in your opinion? Simple: neither of these "two" outcomes matters because ba-bum-dish - they are the same outcome. That's all I've been trying to say, but apparently I was being too verbose or emotional. Would you like to die by stabbing in the heart or rather the lungs? That's not a choice I would want to make and so all that go: "lol no thanks" when asked to make this choice have my full solidarity.
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Oct 26, 2020 04:36
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Diggus Bickus posted:I'm not sure how this metaphor applies. Let's stick with the rapist deathsquad guy and the XTREME FASCIST rapist deathsquad guy I'd also like to point to the unaddressed elephant in the room, namely looking beyond your insane-rear end clown country. Trump has been objectively better for large parts of the world for a couple of reasons: - he's not got the US stuck in another forever-war (due to being a loving wimp I assume) - his being a huge unlikable buffoon has helped loosen the US empires death-grip, especially in Europe and Asia - the shittiness of the US empire has been revealed for all to see, so resistance has gotten more effective
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Oct 26, 2020 04:43
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Crane Fist posted:Inshallah, the warmonger Biden will be held accountable for orchestrating the slaughter of a million people while his party was not even in power, may g*d deliver us from the specter of the deaths he would cause given the highest office Sorry about your atrocious reading comprehension. Another case against the American education system. Many such cases! jarofpiss posted:this is nojoe tag fraud if you aren't eligible to vote in our elections I'm still less of a fraud than either of your two primary candidates  poo poo, did you just troll me? vvvvv VomitOnLino has issued a correction as of 05:00 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Oct 26, 2020 04:56
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I thought you were making the point that I was arguing that Biden was somehow responsible for the past forever wars. When all I was trying to say is that Trump (so far!) hasn't gotten the US into new ones.
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Oct 26, 2020 05:01
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Chillgamesh posted:If you genuinely believe that America is at a tipping point where it's juuust about to go into Sieg-Heiling, Goose-Stepping Nazism, then how does a right-wing liberal like Biden do anything at all to even slow that decline? No, no, no! You don't understand... You see, it doesn't matter they're both going in the same direction. One of them is obeying the speed limit and going there more slowly. So, vote for him!
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Oct 26, 2020 05:04
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Crane Fist posted:Oh yeah that's not what I meant, we've had this same tedious argument with some dumbass lib a million times so I'm just poo poo posting in an attempt to open their hearts They'd need a heart transplant first
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Oct 26, 2020 05:06
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Platystemon posted:If Joe Biden doesn’t pull a Gerald Ford, I will say that maybe they are right, he’s not a fascist. Considering what they (the succ) chose to go after Trump for - out of his loving flower bucket full of impeachable offenses - it's already a foregone conclusion.
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Oct 26, 2020 05:09
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miniscule12 posted:lol this isn't about harm reduction, it's about power I never had power over anything or anybody in my life, not even my bowel movements. Hence I poo poo (poast) here...
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Oct 26, 2020 05:10
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Platystemon posted:Trump has done more to undermine the American hegemony than any person in history. Yeah, it owns.
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Oct 26, 2020 05:21
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:
Gloria, Howie, Some others I can't be bothered to look up rn also lmao at literally: "you don't understand the true infinite depths of ma (liberal) souullllll...."
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Oct 26, 2020 06:37
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Taintrunner posted:the thing about contra and all the other “breadtubers” pissing and moaning at you to vote for Biden is that they enjoy a rather comfortable grift screeching into a webcam for a living while you and your family starve and have no future beyond periods of extended instability and hardship. they want Biden to win to defend the legitimacy of their class position as part of the leisure class in a brutally unjust and frankly unsustainable society racing towards full collapse. This is an excellent post and I wanna nail it to virtualboy's loving door. What is capitalism? It's crab buckets all the way down... Snype Edit: The breadtubers are about as effective and interested in ending capitalism as the dude selling the che-guevara shirts is...
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Oct 28, 2020 04:27
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punk rebel ecks posted:While I did not vote for Biden this election, I can see there being some argument for voting for Dems, even if they are of the do nothing type, over opposing candidates like Donald Trump. The issue is that when liberals typically have this discussion, it is mostly in the context that ContraPoints puts out. That leftists who won't vote for Biden are just 22 year old extremely online incels. There are a fair amount of Americans on the Left who will not be voting for Biden, even more who are "apolitical". Not wanting to vote for Biden isn't just something idealistic baby leftists do. It's sad because ContraPoints does have good points in the video but they get mushed out due to her oversimplifying the critics arguments. I find the value of these "arguments" to be extremely debatable, I've already pointed out a couple of reasons why a democratic president in the same situation would actually be worse for a lot of people (looking beyond the US here). Furthermore we'd instantaneously lose the somewhat antagonistic press coverage as things snap back to the new "normal" and we'd get Obama era-coverage that is completely in lock-step with the administration. This includes the Corona response, which I will 100% assure you will not change under Biden. On top of that we might get a new and exciting forever war to distract from the internal malaise and the fact that the Dems are also doing nothing about it. Biden will also do nothing about policing, or the extremely lovely lot of black people in the US. In his own words he wrote the drat bill! Also his VP is a loving cop.... How is that better? VomitOnLino has issued a correction as of 04:36 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Oct 28, 2020 04:33
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miniscule12 posted:Even if you think they're all grifters, it's hard to name people that are overall "bad" for the left. Maybe the turn your brain off and be mad types like jimmy dore or jim sterling. Krystal ball for sure. Absolute lamaos at “Jimmy Dore is bad for the left coz he gets mad.” that’s one hell of a poo poo take my friend. First of all he was one of the first to debunk Russiagate, also that OPCW bullshit about a gas attack in Syria etc etc. Second of all he says that what he’s doing for research etc. is a low bar to clear and that he’s not that smart but can still figure it out — on his show repeatedly. So, maybe you shouldn’t turn YOUR brain off and actually listen to what the man says. Thirdly Jimmy Dore has helped radicalize at least two of my American acquaintances especially due to his focus on current political events and how you are getting screwed, but with proper leftist framing. Again low bar to clear.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:that’s kind of funny as I don’t like calling people I disagree with grifters but Jimmy Dore absolutely is a grifter. Haha. Okay, so first point: Jimmy Dore told people to not bother with donations or coming to his live shows (which he does unlike other certain bread tubers cough cough) the second the corona crisis got bad like in April. He did so at the end of EVERY video. Second point, much simpler: In principle, I don’t mind Contrapoints, That Theater dude etc asking for people to pitch in. I do mind them having and spreading lovely liberal trash opinions. I hope that helps.
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Oct 29, 2020 21:11
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Taintrunner posted:he still does. it’s loving hilarious too. skip to 11:45 the phone app won’t let me do timecode embeds anymore Yeah that’s what I meant. I just phrased it poorly. Thanks “Nobody’s got a loving ... JERB.. (laughter) ... just enjoy the video.”
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Oct 30, 2020 03:05
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Jesus Christ are you still going? What the gently caress man? Your gimmick is tiring as poo poo, liberal
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Oct 31, 2020 02:03
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:I'm one-quarter Slav Is this your best comeback? Slavs, particularly in Russia, have a long history of Naziism and white supremacy. So err..
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Nov 1, 2020 04:06
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I don’t think Eugene is on fire.
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Nov 2, 2020 00:14
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