UKMT January 2021 - i have no chin and i must chitterwagger

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therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

DesperateDan posted:

happy new year y'all

I tried going to bed early but the fireworks were at ww1 artillery barrage levels from 11 till 1am

It was ducking ridiculous. I would happily ban fireworks other than licensed displays.

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therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Pablo Bluth posted:

There is also Hive that do a similar thing.

Yeah, I use Hive. It has a much better selection than bookshop.org, at least for now.

# ¿ Jan 1, 2021 12:43

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Comrade Fakename posted:

I dunno, I just think that they think it�s just how it works? �We need a track and trace system, who should run it?� �Oh, my good chum Alan knows some people, they�re real wizzes with this stuff!� �Great, chuck them a few dozen billion, job sorted. The private sector are the real experts after all.� And then their trust in the private sector is so fundamental to everything they believe that even a complete failure doesn�t shake it. �Well, we gave it to the experts, there�s nothing else we could have done!�

Basically it�s idiocy combined with incredible laziness combined with a totally unshakable free-market worldview.

Yeah, I think that�s right.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

No ifs, no buts.

TLDR: Kids are being hospitalised, hospitals are overwhelmed, overwhelming likely to reach zombie movie levels once the xmas infections hit in a week or so.

gently caress you, Keith.

Any hope I had for Starmer being decent has basically gone so I am not coming at this from a fan-boy angle, but I believe that the new cases with kids is a result of the new strain which affects young people much more, and which wasn�t around at the time of the no ifs, no buts article.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2021 13:23

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

OwlFancier posted:

If only he could have known basic evolution whereby diseases change to fit available environments.

The kids who went to school would probably have been able to tell him that.

At the time when this was being argued, how many people predicted that the virus would mutate to become more contagious and affect kids? Did you?

kingturnip posted:

If his interest was in keeping as many people safe as possible and not wanting to be the sensible option for Mumsnet morons, he wouldn't have been harping on about SKOOLS BEING OPEN this entire loving time.

That�s definitely true. The labour line should have been about getting testing, track and trace sorted out to enable safe school openings, plus proper systems to incentivise the infected/quarantining to stay at home (benefits, furlough etc). Labour and Starmer have been poo poo but to blame him for what I think wasn�t really a foreseeable outcome isn�t really fair. It�s not like the government wasn�t going to do what it wanted anyway.

crispix posted:

If Corbyn was still leader and calling for school closures the entire media would have been screaming about him wanting to create a nation of skivers who want to spend their lives on benefits, eating crisps and voting labour all day long instead of working hard and getting on in hardworkingfamilies grate britan

Let me see if I am doing this right: �Jewish schools among those Corbyn wants to close in new antisemitic outrage�

# ¿ Jan 2, 2021 13:37

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

kyojin posted:

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-10-02/covid-cases-rising-fastest-among-teenagers-and-young-adults-ons-data-reveals

2nd October

The DM article was in August.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8631381/SIR-KEIR-STARMER-writes-response-Boris-Johnson-said-return-school-moral-duty.html

# ¿ Jan 2, 2021 13:40

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Jakabite posted:

What infuriates me most about Labour is that they are only even bothering to talk about binary decisions that fit well within the scope of decision making of the Tories anyway. Not once have I heard the argument that we need massive, UBI like public support and spending. Not once have I heard any of them advocating for the sort of radical solutions implemented elsewhere in the world - massive spending to enable people to lock down safely and with minimal impact. Schools need to be closed? Make sure kids can get the materials they need to keep learning, whatever the cost. You can guarantee Corbyn�s Labour would have advocated for these sorts of radical socialist solutions which, even had they not happened, would have entered the public discourse as options. But no, Manager Keith is happy to gently caress about on the sidelines suggesting minor changes and being Sensible.

This is good. I am not sure why I am even defending Keith on principle. It�s not necessary.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2021 14:25

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Umbra Dubium posted:

Well there was that thing about third world countries asking for the copyrights on the vaccines to be waived so they could produce it themselves.

This was vetoed because capitalism, obvs.

But it suggests there is certainly capacity that isn't being utilised.

I�m just picking up on this as it�s the second tine it�s been mentioned: it�s a patent, not copyright. Copyright refers to artistic or creative works; patents to inventions. Copyright is created automatically whereas patents have to be registered.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2021 20:05

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Pistol_Pete posted:

It's funny that people are still insisting that there's this enormous unfulfilled demand for sensible centrism amomg the electorate, despite the copious evidence to the contrary.

I watched The Social Dilemma recently, which is very good. It makes a persuasive argument that social media has massively increased political polarisation and led to the collapse of the centre. So the people clinging to centrist electoral politics are probably still thinking of that now-obsolete paradigm where there was a strong centre and elections could be won by appealing to it.

crispix posted:

he'll change his mind and announce closure this evening at about half seven don't worry

About a week ago I predicted the u-turn coming tonight at about 18:34. We differ by less than an hour!

# ¿ Jan 3, 2021 10:46

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Recoome posted:

isn't Drax a bad guy out of a James Bond book/movie? Moonraker?

Yes. I posted this in the last thread when the story first came out:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3949775&perpage=40&noseen=1&pagenumber=2#post510706363

quote:

Wasn't Drax a Bond villain?

Research reveals that not only was Drax the villain from Moonraker but was also named after Fleming's friend Reginald Drax (or, more correctly, Admiral Sir Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax, KCB, DSO, JP, DL), MP Richard Drax's father.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2021 12:53

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Pistol_Pete posted:

I think it's more that the people that write that stuff are a small, incurious group who all know each other and just assume that the opinions held by them and their mates are generally accepted, rather than belonging to a small minority only.

Oh, that too, definitely. It�s entirely possible that it�s both. Few things have just one explanation.

Mebh posted:

Meanwhile my dear mum just had a rant on whatsapp that the reason we have a Boris as PM is clearly because of people voting for things like boaty mc boat face.

I bloody love Boaty McBoatface, and the British sense of humour is one of the positives of this country.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2021 13:46

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Miftan posted:

People keep saying that, but ya'll aren't that great at humour. There's some hits and a lot of misses, and when British people say this it always reeks of either nationalism or just people liking things because they grew up with them despite the things not being any better than the alternatives (see also: religion, chocolate oranges, parents' politics)

Obviously it�s subjective, and I�m not British. I�ve lived in South Africa, the UK, the US and spent some time in Canada, so I have a few things to compare it to. Humour is determined to some degree by what one grows up with, of course. That said, I find humour in the UK much more prevalent and funnier than in the US.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2021 14:07

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Strom Cuzewon posted:

I find Boaty McBoatFace genuinely hilarious, but the claim that it's some uniquely British piece of humour is just loving bizarre to me, and I'm fairly certain I've seen other countries sabotage polls with silly names and claim it as something unique to their humour. What culture doesn't love silly wordplay?

It�s not necessarily uniquely British.

The first season of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmitt is hilarious.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2021 15:06

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

TheRat posted:

I got a 48" LG CX oled about a month ago it is absolutely stunning

Same here. It was an upgrade from a decent 32" 13-year-old Panasonic, and it's amazing. The sound is good too. I haven't connected my soundbar yet as I am waiting for an optical digital cable. I'm curious if it'll be any better. (It's a decent but not great Sony sound bar with a subwoofer).

# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 18:07

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Didn't FKTIG turn down Ian Austin's application?

https://twitter.com/TheFabledAesop/status/1346960453302448134?s=20

He�s right, the SWP ran amok after the last election. Have we already forgotten the death and destruction they caused our sacred land?

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 00:43

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Seeing as it�s for heroes not carers, it�s lost the alliteration. May I suggest something like Howl (or Hurl) for Heroes?

# ¿ Jan 7, 2021 11:16

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

crispix posted:

nobody here bothered about clapclap time and i am very glad about that

it was becoming loving oppressive last time around because people gonna peep

Our street WhatsApp group has a little discussion. I said that in the absence of proper NHS resourcing and pay for nurses etc it felt somewhat hollow. Happily everyone agreed, including a nurse. We shared several resources which are directly helping NHS staff. (Happy to post them here if anyone is interested).

# ¿ Jan 8, 2021 01:00

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

NotJustANumber99 posted:

You've got a street whatsapp group?

Yep. Set up around first lockdown time to see if people needed help etc. It�s mostly just local chat, people offering unwanted items, asking to borrow things, etc. We set up strings of fairy lights along most of the street through it. It�s nice.

Pay petition

https://tinyurl.com/y3uyhoqv

https://justtreatment.org/nhsnewdeal-launch

https://www.dauk.org/

https://www.nursesunited.org.uk/

https://www.everydoctor.org.uk/

https://www.gofundme.com/f/nhs-gift-retreat

http://reclaimyourself.co.uk/nhs-key-worker-nomination-form/

https://reclaimyourself.co.uk/blog/nhs-retreats/

# ¿ Jan 8, 2021 01:28

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Maugrim posted:

Wtf, do you live on my street?

Well I guess you don't because our group hasn't (yet) had the discussion about clapclap being rubbish. But otherwise, our group is very similar including the organising of Xmas displays.

We have all agreed to keep our lights up until the equinox because everyone really likes them. (It is very pretty). And the group is pretty good for keeping in touch, sharing local information etc. I like it.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2021 11:40

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Dead Goon posted:

[edit] There are 57 baked beans in a tin of Heinz Baked Beans and that is the maximum amount of beans you should try and fit up your arse.

Nonsense. You�re just not trying hard enough.

Coffee makes me jittery and talkative and then a few hours later I crash, so I rarely drink it, apart from iced coffee at home in summer when it�s hot. (Make coffee in the morning, sweeten to taste, allow to cool, chill. Later add milk and ice for amazing iced coffee).

# ¿ Jan 8, 2021 20:39

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Borrovan posted:

I think it might be possible to attack the concept of England without consistently blaming "the English" as a collective whole for all of the UK's problems.

For example, I think that the concept of England is poo poo, but that's due to the 1% of rich cunts in it,* and definitely not due to the literal majority of the population who don't vote Tory

e: *it's actually due to the concept of nation states being inherently poo poo, but my point still stands

I was going to say something along similar lines: it�s not about English, Scottish etc but who controls the money and power, abs who doesn�t. There are plenty of rich, powerful Scottish landowners who are Tory, and there are many progressive Englishers. I don�t get the focus on the nations - it�s missing the wood for the trees.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 01:17

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

goddamnedtwisto posted:

To quote (probably badly) one of my favourite ever tweets - now, ironically, deleted - "Y'all talk a big game then all of a sudden it's "Tweets aren't loading right now"".

It�s not a great tweet but it�s pretty tongue in cheek, no? I think you�re being a bit harsh on her.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 01:29

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

forkboy84 posted:

Why delete it then? She's got Remainer Brain, she absolutely incapable of sincerely believing something that stupid.

It can be tongue in cheek but not a great tweet nonetheless. Like when one makes a joke then decides/realises that it�s not that funny.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 01:38

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Communist Thoughts posted:

The empire has now been invoked, my people are very normal you see

It might be relevant that as I understand it Scotland and the Scots were pretty enthusiastic imperialists too. So it�s hardly like Scotland is the blameless victim of English imperialism. As has been noted here already, less focus on nations and more on wealth and power structures would be more productive, especially as these grow more global and supra-national.

My god, my class consciousness has been awakened.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 11:06

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

endlessmonotony posted:

Yeah, and if they made it explicit it's about the richest people in England they'd do slightly better in this thread. It's still not hard to read from context though, so that's on almost everyone else. And you're using "the Scots" the exact same way as they're using "the English". Intentional?

Most of the English don't want to get rid of the monarchy though, and 52% of Britain overall are irrationally racist, so it probably will result in the same response in most places though.

I don�t think their point is about the richest English though - it seems like a a wider net. I wasn�t using Scots in the same way (I�m not that thoughtful); the point was that if Scottish people are being held up as pure victims of English imperialism that doesn�t really hold water given how many Scots enthusiastically participated in British imperialism and the slave trade. Similarly a poster can�t hold up Scottish people as occupying the moral high ground vis-a-vis the English given their imperial history.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 12:49

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

CoolCab posted:

don't worry with just three easy lessons in endlessmonotony's patented good posting school you too can be a posting superstar like whoever the rattler is! learn incredible lessons like "it's definitely moral, tasteful AND dignified to repeatedly accuse people of being devout nazis for star wars name crimes"

It�s me! I�d be happy to give you some tips: PM me.

We�re still washing our shopping because we are a bit paranoid. Then again, my FIL died from it in April and my son has Down�s and diabetes.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 14:00

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

crispix posted:

i think the name could come from any culture though and i really don't think it's an offensive observation to say it's reminiscent of a much loved space opera franchise

i mean you could take offense but you'll probably look a bit daft ;-)

But it came from that specific culture. It�s potentially offensive and if someone took some offence I�d understand it. How many English names sound like Star Wars characters? That said, it�s not the worst thing I�ve ever heard by a long way and characterising whoever said it as a fascist is an overreaction.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 15:05

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Jakabite posted:

I�ll give that a watch, thanks.

I guess I just don�t agree that this isn�t a huge shift. Sure we�ve always wrapped our minds into the right shapes to fit the facts to our feelings and beliefs, that isn�t new. But social media has brought about an enormous acceleration of that. Probabilistically, you can model Republicans, or any political group - if you have 50000 data points on a person you can determine whether they�re more likely to be Republican than Democrat. Not that you need to actually - that�s one of the data points. Now the whole point of social media is to create the most engagement which is done by showing people things to elicit an emotional response to provoke further engagement and investment. That�s all it is.

The result of that, though, is that those responses are happening every few seconds, in bite size slices, and the platform is getting better every time at provoking it. What it turns out this leads to is insane amounts of exposure to things which provoke these responses which tend not to be good into - in the case of the US for right wing leaning people that�s often Q stuff. How we interact with our phones is not similar to how propaganda and news have ever worked before. It just isn�t. Newspapers don�t tailor their content to each and every user. Note does broadcast tv, or radio. It also isn�t omnipresent in your life, and it also isn�t invisible to the people around you who it isn�t being tailored to. You don�t pick up a paper every time you have five spare minutes. You don�t habitually read newspapers - tv, radio, and papers aren�t addictive. Well, they can be obviously but not at all in the same way. Tv addiction isn�t a serious issue in the world whereas phone and sm addiction absolutely is.

What I�m saying is there�s a huge difference between how information has been manipulated in the past and how it is now. Far more relentless, far more devious, far more tailored. Sure, you�ve got the Republicans and other bad actors using these tools to tell people bullshit about election fraud, but they now have tools that are more effective than anything in history and it isn�t even close. And it only takes a nudge before users are making their own content, which is being shared by the algorithm to the right people and so on and so forth. Baked Alaska�s content is not getting promoted by the Republican Party or the Mercers. It�s just what the algorithm to increase engagement knows does well amongst a certain audience, because it promotes a certain emotional response (which is also why it�s good propaganda), and it shows those people more of it. That just is different to anything we�ve had before and to act like it�s just another iteration of a similar theme, in line with previous iterations, is going to leave us totally vulnerable.

I agree with this, and the mechanics and extent of it are very well demonstrated in The Social Dilemma. It�s not perfect but it�s worth watching.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2021 23:49

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

NotJustANumber99 posted:

This is dumb but at least it isnt star wars.

So you long for a party that will fulfil your wish of not giving a poo poo about families? Being that families are composed of human beings, how do you expect this new party to cater to you better than those ones that insist on prattling on about families?

Tax cuts for single childless people. Sliding scale of increasing tax the more children one has. Harsher benefits cap. No paternity/maternity leave. Sounds wonderful...

# ¿ Jan 10, 2021 00:10

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

stev posted:

Not sure this is one you want to take credit for, Big T.

Of all the things I admire him for, it�s probably his humility that stands out.

# ¿ Jan 11, 2021 15:07

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Gort posted:

Get out of HSBC, they constantly top lists of unethical banks. Go to somewhere like NationWide.

Edit: And tell 75 other HSBC customers to do the same

I am with Coop for some legacy things as they used to be one of the few ethical-ish banks around, but moved to Triodos a few years ago. I can recommend them.

According to this they are still top

https://www.new-money.co.uk/nm-blog/top-5-ethical-bank-accounts-for-2020/

# ¿ Jan 11, 2021 15:43

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Gonzo McFee posted:

I can't tell if it's gaining traction because people care about poor kids or if nobody gives a gently caress about the kids they just don't like to see their taxes spent so nakedly poorly.

Could be both? Some from 1, some from 2, sone from both? I�m in the both camp.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 13:03

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

The lovely food boxes is really infuriating because it�s not just naked profiteering, it�s naked profiteering at the expense of poor families. Same as it ever was, but it�s rarely so open and obvious.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2021 13:05

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Vitamin P posted:

Sort of? It's more an expression of massive distrust in the relevant power structures ie big pharma, the establishment media and the government don't have your best interests at heart so be suspicious of anything they tell you to do, and then there's the psychosexual element that it's something you can't understand invading your body.

I honestly don't blame anyone for hating and fearing every single element of our existing power apparatus and the idea that 'they hate me and want to enslave me with wiles' ergo gently caress the vaccine is understandable as gently caress if the person doesn't have class consciousness.

What about anti-vaxxers who do have class consciousness?

# ¿ Jan 16, 2021 00:52

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

It depends on whose taxes. Taxes on middle and lower income earners: yes, I think she�s right. Corporation tax and high earners: have at it. Corporation tax is only payable in profits, not revenues.

# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 00:30

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

OwlFancier posted:

I am not over 60 and not in line for a vaccine and as far as I'm concerned you can throw all the over 60s in a big blender cos I don't see why I should be put at risk just because they'll probably be fine.

They already get every loving thing else done for them I don't see why I should get sick for the useless pricks.

I�m surprised there wasn�t a stronger reaction to this post, which was actually pretty appalling. Talking about other groups in that way here wouldn�t be tolerated.

big scary monsters posted:

Does anyone have Corbyn's original quote on "kinder, gentler politics"? I want to know what the context was at the time, but all I can find is half a decade of journos bringing it up trying own left wingers for bullying them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34392427

First result for �corbyn quote kinder gentler politics�

# ¿ Jan 19, 2021 20:39

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Jose posted:

lol

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1351652684403777538?s=20

THIS MEANS WAR

# ¿ Jan 19, 2021 23:59

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

The Question IRL posted:

No, just general stuff about getting people to come out of their shells and speak loudly, clearly and with authority.

And while Rumpole is an excellent look at life in the Bar, my go to for most accurate media portrayal of life in the Criminal bar is now, and will forever be My Cousin Vinny.

I could do lectures using just that film and different topics of the law.

Also someone on Twitter pointed it out, and I can't help but want Joe Pesci to play Tom Holland's Uncle Ben in the next Spider-Man movie.

It�s a terrific film.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2021 00:17

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Jakabite posted:

By all means, I don't doubt the integrity of their journalistic work. Just think it's important for us on the left to actually try and hold those who abuse their positions to account, especially in our own movements. The sheer amount of 'yes but they're our friends and they said it's fine' that was encountered in trying to advocate for survivors of people is part of what made me leave London and the radical leftist scene there.

Also over 1800 new deaths today. Remember when we were afraid it might creep back over 1000 again?

1800+. Merry Christmas!

# ¿ Jan 20, 2021 18:03

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Regarde Aduck posted:

My faith in humanity has been shaken to the point where i'm suspecting most of the people losing their parents/grandparents to covid are not just uncaring, but actually relieved. It's the only way to explain the utter lack of concern by society.

My father in law died from Covid and none of his family or his partner are uncaring or relieved, so I am taking this somewhat personally. So, where do you get that from? How many tweets, anecdotes, articles etc from actual relatives or close friends of the dead have you seen? The lack of concern has been coming (as far as I can tell) from people who haven't lost anyone, not those who have. There have been just over 100,000 deaths. Assume that for each and every victim there are five close relatives who are grieving. That is 500,000 people. The country has what, 66 million people? It's not such a large proportion relative to the general population. Most people will not know anyone who has died, or probably even someone who is close to someone. So it's easier for them to not care that much.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2021 19:23

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 10:58

therattle: Jul 24, 2007; Soiled Meat

Tarnop posted:

But I have 600 friends on Facebook

I have bad news: they are not an adequate replacement for actual friends who know you and are your friends despite that. I'm sorry.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2021 19:37

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