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Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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mobby_6kl posted:

If only someone had a thousand tanks parked in the desert doing nothing, perhaps these shortages could be exploited! :thunk:

If only there was a fast way to work up 1,000 tanks in long-term storage, upgrade them to the modern standard, and then ship them to the other side of the world while simultaneously training 1,000 tank crews and probably three times as many mechanics.

For comparison, it took the Iraq army three years to get the first 140 tanks it ordered.

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Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Power Khan posted:

The spicy part is here

Is this OPSEC? In the internet age I feel like you could probably get a pretty accurate count of approximate force numbers any number of ways.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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You wouldn’t download a tank

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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EorayMel posted:

I hope the hydraulic press channel squishes clay replicas of T-72s next week

Why not an actual T-72? They’re just lying around right now

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymZGgjk-H4

Interesting little mini-documentary (with English subtitles) about a SPG-9 team deployed in Bakhmut. The ex-Azov guy has one hell of a character arc in 7 1/2 minutes. No blood or bodies. Just the SPG shooting rounds, interviews with the men and an artillery shelling.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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The UN exists to ensure that one guy doesn’t get his balls nuked

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:



Serious kurts vibes on this thread on the whole orc topic

Forum posters feel helpless to do anything about the Wagner SS murdering children, but they CAN influence forum policy on bad words. And doing something feels good.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

The hesitancy of NATO to properly arm Ukraine is so frustrating and terrifying.

I feel like the frustration needs no explanation but the terror comes from the fact that Russia's threats are being taken seriously and are incredibly effective at deterring NATO.

31 Abrams? They could send hundreds, no problem.

They would also have to send the ocean of jet fuel, mountain of spare parts and pallets of ammunition hundreds of Abrams would require through the same extremely stressed railroads currently supplying all of Ukraines’ military needs.

If the Black Sea was available for shipping you would see the floodgates open. Right now they have to be much more selective.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Computer viking posted:

Do unarmed freighters carrying land warfare equipment count as warships for the purpose of the treaty? I would be worried about sending them unescorted, but my first impression is that they would be allowed through.

They are allowed. The problem is that Russia has effectively blockaded all Ukrainian Black Sea ports from foreign shipping, except those involved in the grain deal. Until their subs, mines and anti-ship missiles are removed, it will stay closed.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Funky See Funky Do posted:

These are easily solvable logistical problems. The US/NATO could arm Ukraine in such a way that would 100% win the war in a matter of months, weeks even. The reason they don't is political/ they're deterred by Russia's nuclear threats.

Ukraine uses different gauges than the west, meaning that all aid has to be shipped to the border, offloaded from western locomotives, put back on Ukrainian trains, and then taken across the border. This is a huge bottleneck and not something “easily solved.” There are plans to get Ukraine on the EU gauge but that’s a massive undertaking even without a war going on and enemies actively shooting at your trains/power infrastructure.

NATO supply trains have to stop and pass inspection at each national border, even for countries within NATO. The “simple fix” is to get 100% of NATO countries to agree to let them pass. That will probably happen by the end of the year—maybe—as long as there are no objections.

Logistics may sometimes be simple, but it is never easy.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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On the other hand, the sooner Crimea is liberated the sooner the Black Sea ports can be reopened. With all the economic and logistical benefits that entails.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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I’ve just received a telegraph that President Obama is poised to declare war on the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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McGavin posted:

The west is falling behind in strategic lying capability.

This is why we need to re-elect Trump. We cannot afford a lying gap.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Breaking: Putin on pace to break Kim Jong-Il’s historic golf score of -38 under par

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Neddy Seagoon posted:

So are these things like one mine per shell, or is it more of a buckshot bomblet deal?

9 mines per shell according to Wikipedia. That’s pretty nuts.

Stealth trivia edit: the M777 howitzer is British-made and designed, I had no idea. The original design was by Vickers.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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mobby_6kl posted:

I don't see how you could pass a national law to make it trigger Art 5. You'd need to amend the NATO treaty.

Just give Poopin an ultimatum to GTFO, like with Saddam.

Article 5 can be invoked by any member and requires a response from all parties to the treaty. This would just make it official that “yes, the US would invoke Article 5 if you do this.”

In reality Poland would have a better case, as the radioactive material would be decorating their front lawn.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Putting in for a gang tag

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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HonorableTB posted:

The tldr for Gigolo's post about rails is that if Russia lost a few rail transport hubs everything east of the urals descends into ungovernable anarchy as they are dependent on the developed western part of the country to supply the empty east with basic goods and there are a small amount of hubs and transfer stations east of Moscow that allow for this to happen

I thought rail infrastructure is pretty resilient to bombing? Apart from the locomotives and rolling stock, there aren’t any particular weak spots that a bomb can hit and paralyze a line for very long.
The noticeable exception being the rail bridges.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Fixed that for the BBC

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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I'm sorry I hadn't heard Chef Boyar P before, that's a :lol:

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Heroes in a Zinc Shell

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Prettz posted:

SPG is a misnomer, since a "gun" is a direct-fire weapon and I only ever see it used to describe European howitzers. I never understood where SPG came from, since the term was always SPH.

Gun can be used for any artillery piece in UK English.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L118_light_gun

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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zone posted:


So what now? are we getting an army of debtors next?

The Debt Corps of Krieg

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Von Pluring posted:

Come on, there's a lot of euros itt, we don't understand American football. Do something universal like lacrosse or Aussie rules.

International relations are a lot like cricket: the rules are arbitrary and different in every country, it’s very boring to watch, and strikes to the balls are a constant threat.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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DiomedesGodshill posted:

:stare:

I have questions, questions that don't need answers.

C4 is just explosive crayons to a hungry Marine

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Reminds me of stories from the Russian countryside during WW1. The collapse of state control and the high food prices meant that 1914-1918 was paradoxically one of the best times to be a Russian farmer.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Vladimir Zelensky The
Hedgehog

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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spankmeister posted:

A drone is a type of sandwich, if you really think about it

Gyro of the Soviet Union

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Super Meat Boy Returns

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Moktaro posted:

Gonna laugh so hard if the coup that finally topples Putin is led by a wave of angry felons.

No not the oligarchs, the other felons.

If you told me at the start of this mess that we would see Russia fielding literal penal battalions, I would not have believed you.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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bad_fmr posted:

Any day now the T-14/88 supertanks will roll out

The SU-57 is the only felon in Russia not being sent to the front

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Lord Awkward posted:

What are they even imagining, I'd think Patriots were a serious enough threat. I guess their own air defense would be more so, but he denies that first off...

ok guys, you got us, we didn't actually scrap that 747 with the megawatt laser after all, we were saving it just in case and now Ukraine has it.

Because if the Ukrainians didn’t deploy a top-secret long-range AWACS killer, then it means that Russia hosed up. Either they got too close to a ground-based SAM (lol), they shot down their own AWACS (lmao), or they let a Ukrainian plane fly up and shoot them down unchallenged (the funniest possible answer).

But Russia would never gently caress up, so…

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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It only went to the front for a propaganda video, doesn't count any more than when Putin went imo

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Wait, since when are we back to calling everyone “Comrade”?

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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wit posted:


I'm sorry but this is an objectively, laugh out loud stupid choice of music.

It’s a coded reference to how Putin had him terminated.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Mr Teatime posted:

Dumb guy question, at what point does a navy look at swarms of cheapo naval drones loving up their big expensive ships before sighing and starting to slap actual armour back on their ship designs?

I know they were looking at electric armor for warships at one point.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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Buk Buk im slay

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Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

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mllaneza posted:

Uranium leaving Russia is generally a good thing.

Depends if it fissions upon arrival at destination.

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