Stereotype posted:

I’m actually having a really good time. this is probably the best time I’ve ever had

Stereotype posted:

I’m actually having a really good time. this is probably the best time I’ve ever had

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Gumball Gumption posted:

Apparently burners just drop all the trash they take out on the nearest town. https://www.kunr.org/nevada-california/2019-09-06/trash-and-burn-the-mess-after-burning-man

Al! posted:

i kicked burning man's rear end

Al! posted:

i mean from an art historical perspective this isnt saying the thing you think its saying. abex was seen as a uniquely american movement, directly opposed to the old world french salon style of painting that was still very much what people thought of when they thought of "a painting". theres also a lot of other postwar stuff going on in new york that gave rise to the loose collection of artists known as abstract expressionists.

now if you want to tell me that the cia invented the category id be willing to listen but youd have to talk about the cia's relationship to clement greenberg, which doesnt seem to be in that article. this is a little different from "the cia invented abstract expressionism".

a lot of this is covered in "the painted word" by tom wolfe, which is a quick read

Feels Villeneuve posted:

the playa's jammed with broken techbros on a last chance funding drive

bedpan posted:

remember that a decade ago was 2013 and not 2003

i am harry posted:

this is so difficult to do

theflyingexecutive posted:

gotta lot of work to do striking but if you're interested at all in bm, come out. I'm happy to give an insider's perspective on what happens here. very very little of the bureaucracy and public works are publicly accessible information, like the fact that there's a decent hospital with medical imaging and MDs on site.

the media only reports on "dirty hippies rained out" and Twitter boosts awful techbro shitlords or influencers with Starlinks. I'm in a weird position where I have internet access from the org and can give a perspective that's none of the above. for all the social media panic that people were trapped here and desperate to get out of a himanitarian emergency, only 15% of people actually left yesterday when the gates opened because of how well-provisioned everyone is

Platystemon posted:

Post hole.

Virtual Russian posted:

On a most basic level it makes sense, would you, a monied art collector (or launderer) want to hang out with a bunch of snobby Europeans that act sad and spend all their time with Satre, or would you want to hang out with a bunch of upbeat young artists that basically just hosed and drank most of the day?

Feels Villeneuve posted:

op hasnt posted since this lol

sitchensis posted:

Peggy Guggenheim (daughter of Benjamin Guggenheim who died on the Titanic), who signed Jackson Pollack, has literal paragraphs about her promiscuity in her wiki bio lol

AnimeIsTrash posted:

crack pinging into a mans rear end at burning man

Virtual Russian posted:

Contrast that with Jean-Paul Satre and it just adds up. These people were going to be big because they were in the right place at the right time, and people liked their vibes. Being a fun group of people goes a long way to promoting a movement.

Just a thought, maybe if marxists handed people booze instead of Capital we'd see a lot more marxists around.

Gumball Gumption posted:

Apparently burners just drop all the trash they take out on the nearest town. https://www.kunr.org/nevada-california/2019-09-06/trash-and-burn-the-mess-after-burning-man

Feels Villeneuve posted:

also the links between the government and art in the 20th century definitely existed, the part that annoyed me mostly happened on dumb websites where instead of using this information to look at art critically, it was instead used for blanket dismissal of entire genres of art and music, which is boring

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I used to do occasional work for a company that makes giant art installations for festivals and safety simply wasn't on their radar

theflyingexecutive posted:

gotta lot of work to do striking but if you're interested at all in bm, come out. I'm happy to give an insider's perspective on what happens here. very very little of the bureaucracy and public works are publicly accessible information, like the fact that there's a decent hospital with medical imaging and MDs on site.

the media only reports on "dirty hippies rained out" and Twitter boosts awful techbro shitlords or influencers with Starlinks. I'm in a weird position where I have internet access from the org and can give a perspective that's none of the above. for all the social media panic that people were trapped here and desperate to get out of a himanitarian emergency, only 15% of people actually left yesterday when the gates opened because of how well-provisioned everyone is

Lib and let die posted:

Lib and let die posted:

sitchensis posted:

so it seems like art movements are more or less about wealthy people:
a) wanting to gently caress artists and get high
b) laundering money

co-opting any messages of class consciousness or resistance just seems like a nice cherry on top

sitchensis posted:

so it seems like art movements are more or less about wealthy people:
a) wanting to gently caress artists and get high
b) laundering money

co-opting any messages of class consciousness or resistance just seems like a nice cherry on top

Virtual Russian posted:

This bigtime. Multiple artists I know are pretty honest about trading sex for career advancement, not even big advances, just like a solo show. Or for art sales from collectors. It can be pretty predatory. The high-end art world of course is infamous for being money laundering all the way through, that shouldn't be news to anyone though.

I would partially contest most art movements being about wealthy people. 99.99% of art that has been made has never been written about. Even today, most art never becomes "important". It is still meaningful and beautiful, it just didn't become "important". Clement Greenberg, who is at the center of all this, crafted a masterful narrative about art and how art developed and progressed through history. If you ever were taught art history, even in highschool, you were probably taught Greenberg's theory, though it would never have been named. In short, he posits that the development of art is linear, always progressing from movement to movement, like a baton, and that with the emergance of modernity art began to progress into increasing levels of abstraction. That theory implies, and it is also often outright stated that abstract impressionism was the end result. All art history led to that. The notion of a linear progression to art history, that centered european art, had existed since much earlier, but Greenberg codified it, making sure the world understood art belonged to new york now. Long story short, art is so much more than what you were taught good art is. It most often is the exact opposite. Go check out some local art shows, there are likely some amazing artists you'd love. No need to buy, just go see some art. Also art doesn't have to be for sale!

tl:dr - Your entire conception of art, and art history, was a CIA op. Ab Ex being CIA funded is nothing compared to the art history you learned in HS being made up by the CIA middleman.

Al! posted:

yeah how dare someone attempt to improve sparks nv by dumping trash all over it

Gumball Gumption posted:

Apparently burners just drop all the trash they take out on the nearest town. https://www.kunr.org/nevada-california/2019-09-06/trash-and-burn-the-mess-after-burning-man

quote:

Athena Lamebull and her husband Gordon, run one of the sites. They have nine, 40-foot dumpsters, and for five bucks a bag, Burners can leave their trash with them. But, she said a lot of trash is left behind.

"I still see a lot of trash going through, even when we're done, I still see a lot of it," Lamebull said. "Some people, even when they leave here, they just throw it off the road. They don't want to pay, so they just throw if off the road."

Case in point, a large RV sits in front of several of Lamebull's dumpsters. She says it was abandoned a few days earlier, and she's likely going to have to call someone to tow it away.

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Virtual Russian posted:

Long story short, art is so much more than what you were taught good art is.

ram dass in hell posted:

lmao@ no compassion for their fellow man
tfw u pack enough molly for 4 days and end up there for 6

BONGHITZ posted:

are people still trapped there?