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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

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We needed this thread. The other threads get bogged down by it, and the only other thread it fits into is the chain email thread. Thanks for the effort!

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Nov 15, 2004

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BiggerBoat posted:

Cross posting from the 2012 election thread, but here's what I heard today:

Rush was just on the air telling me that the media narrative for tonight is already set and they're already predetermined to call the debate for Obama and run their "Comeback Kid" headlines. Of course he also tells me that "the media" is already in the tank for Obama and all that poo poo too so here's a grain of salt to go with my post.

He said that "Romney will have to mop the floor with Obama tonight for the media to declare him the winner", ignoring that the media honestly acknowledged Obama's defeat in the last debate and somehow called the VP debate a draw. How badly would Obama have to destroy Romney tonight in order for Limbaugh or Hannity to admit that he won?

Ha, You actually think they wold ever admit that? Not a chance. Romney dance on a burning american flag while doing lines of coke off a gay prostitute, and they would say he was better than Obama. There is no rational thought behind what they say.

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Nov 15, 2004

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The Brown Menace posted:

Did he swallow Val Kilmer or something.

probably only about six inches of him. :rimshot:

Marcus bachmann has to be the most obviously closeted individual I have ever witnessed. the guy just oozes fabulousness from his pores, but he won't ever leave that closet he is so comfortable in. It is really very sad when you think about it for too long. :smith:

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Nov 15, 2004

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Slo-Tek posted:

You would think, but the echo chamber is absolutely full of "gently caress them, they don't vote for us anyway". So asking for specifics, every time, and getting dozens, hundreds of "gently caress women, they don't vote for us" "gently caress latinos, they don't vote for us" "gently caress blacks, they are the real racists who don't vote for us".

Even if people dodge 9 times out of ten, or 99 times out of a hundred, there will still be dozens or hundreds of "gently caress everybody who isn't already rich, white and old" quotes to go around.

That, and you can count on some delightfully tonedeaf racialism, about which of the various brown brothers is a 'natural demographic' for the Republican party.

And people will still have to have high dollar fundraisers, and they will still need to tell their randian supermen financiers that they are the only people doing any loving work around here, and there will probably be a lot more busboys with iphones in coming years.

This.

It is a PR war of attrition. The democrats need to understand that to win they have to get the GOP to tell us what it really thinks. the best way to do that is to put people like Sandra Fluk right in their faces. Give them a target and then hand them a microphone. most of them are so filled with spite and rage that they can't help themselves.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Radish posted:

A co-worker got angry with me when it became more and more obvious he didn't know how capital gains taxes worked after overhearing me complain they were way too low and I just acquiesced the point since it wasn't worth office drama being correct.

My Father once told me to never argue with an idiot because they will drag you down to their level and win due to experience. After that conversation I took his advice and stopped arguing with him. It made him very upset.

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Nov 15, 2004

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I think you guys are too hard on people that call themselves socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It's such a broad and vague categorization that it really doesn't tell you anything. I find that most people that refer to themselves this way are just not very political, and as a result they lack the proper verbiage to articulate their beliefs. It's frustrating that people aren't politically aware enough to align their vote with their core values, but that can be blamed on many things.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Unzip and Attack posted:

This right here is, I think, an under-estimated part of the rightwing obsession with guns. Freeper types all believe they are exceptional people in every way - they are smarter, more open-minded, more learned, more moral, and better prepared psychologically for an inevitable race war that will finally let them show the world how awesome they are. For all the talk of violent video games feeding into adolescent behavior, one has to wonder if decades of glorification of vigilantism in American films and television have contributed to this. Everyone thinks they are a god drat terminator just waiting to be unleashed on some unfortunate criminal who, along with the rest of society, has underestimated them.

Have you ever read Snow Crash?

Neal Stephenson posted:

“Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad

American men carry this mentality well past 25 years old. Combined with our elevation of vigilantism and street justice, it end up being a pretty weird mindset.

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Nov 15, 2004

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BanjoFish posted:

Just heard the most idiotic birther-esque argument from Alex Jones. He and his guest said that to be a natural-born citizen of the US, BOTH of your parents have to be US citizens. Thus it doesn't matter where you're born, so even if you concede Obama is from Hawaii, his father being Kenyan disqualifies him. And so now is the time to flood Eric Holder's inbox with your indignant rage.

I guess they forgot about the 14th amendment? By their own logic every child of an immigrant is a non-citizen, which is so clearly insane and would mean vast swathes of the US would be non-citizens receiving all the benefits thereof. It's also variation on this argument, but somehow even dumber: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

If taken to its logical conclusion, wouldn't this mean the only people who are actually citizens were native Americans? The whole nation of immigrants thing probably doesn't get a lot of play on Alex Jones though.

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Nov 15, 2004

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saltylopez posted:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323689604578220132665726040.html#project%3DWEALTH0105%26articleTabs%3Dinteractive

An infographic helpfully explaining the tax changes to the "average" American.

All these examples have investment income equal to or greater than what I gross in a year.

I hate the WSJ so much.

None of those people should have a loving sad face. they all earn more than 90% of this country. loving eat the rich.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Peven Stan posted:

Jesus where the hell do goons work where this kind of attitude is prevalent? Every office I've worked in has been pretty left leaning.

I'm Lucky in that I live in California, specifically the San Francisco bay area. People aren't really like that around here. In southern California my relatives are like this however. I'm also lucky because I work in the computer technician field and we are generally a progressive bunch.

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Nov 15, 2004

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A Winner is Jew posted:

This can't possibly be loving real.


I mean at some point you just have to sort of admire how loving crazy the GOP, and especially everyone's favorite son of a gold bug are.

It is satire. I know Poe's law is in effect at all times, but you should know better when the author is Andy Borowitz. It is a great piece though. My favorite line:

quote:

Mr. Paul also blasted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her testimony on Benghazi before the Senate today: “Her tactic of answering each and every question we asked her didn’t fool anyone.”

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Nov 15, 2004

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Dr. Faustus posted:

I just received a barrage of IMs from a co-worker regarding the "exodus of wealthy" from the US. I'm sure you all know the drill, as it's been big news out of France recently. I couldn't think of anything better to say than, "Fine, let them go."
I would love to read an earnest discussion of this topic. What about those who leave but don't renounce their citizenship? What about those who do? Where is there to go? The Bahamas? What might they miss?

I invite any and all thoughts on this topic, as I've never really given it much credence (Leave the US? To go where?)

What are your thoughts?

This comes up every time a tax increase is in the air. Most rich assholes are moving to Latin America or the UAE these days it seems like. Places that are considered third world where there money makes them important. I love suggesting to these types that they move to Somalia, the only true free state, but they never do. I actually wish they would stop talking about it and just loving go galt already.

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jan 31, 2013

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Nov 15, 2004

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C.C.C.P. posted:

Speaking of true jackasses, aren't you the guy that identifies as a Democrat (despite hating liberals, progressives, hippies, etc.) because liberal women are supposedly easier to gently caress?

SilentD is sort of the token asshat in these forums. He says really stupid things every time he opens his mouth, but he sticks around cause he likes to be a part of the discussion. Don't take his posts too seriously.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

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Nov 15, 2004

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Lemonus posted:

This is easy to laugh at but at the same time it seems like a really strange step to like... self withdraw. Is there much historical precedent or comparisons that could be made?

Since they couldn't keep everyone else segregated, they decided to segregate themselves. It is actually quite a fitting, but not really new. There are all kinds of right wing only groups, they come and go from decade to decade. They tie very well into the discussion in this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3528385

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Nov 15, 2004

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SilentD posted:

Here's a fairly lucid and intelligent article from a rabid right winger.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/02/26/infantile_conservatism__117165.html

Pat Buchanan? There wasn't a single racist remark int he entire thing!

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Nov 15, 2004

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Badera posted:

Have any of you guys heard of Dr. Ben Carson? I heard him on On Point on NPR today being a cliche-regurgitation machine ("Flat tax is not ideology," standard Obummer nonsense, moral decay of society, etc) all while vehemently denying being 'politically affiliated.' I also read somewhere that he doesn't believe in evolution--while being a Yale-educated pediatric neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins.

This is a common thing these days. Espouse lovely republican ideas, morals, and talking points, all while calling yourself independent. They're just too embarrassed to call themselves what they actually are.

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Nov 15, 2004

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SilentD posted:

Any hick who doesn't realize whites outside of his social class are predators out to screw him over at every single chance is a moron.

drat SilentD, Where do you come up with this stuff?


It's like rural white people vote against their own interests or something.

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Nov 15, 2004

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radical meme posted:

I don't know how close you are to North Dakota, but if you can, the only thing that could possibly save Detroit is fracking and drilling and you need to do that immediately because that's what will save America.

So Sean Hannity either doesn't know where North Dakota is, or he doesn't know where Chicago is. He also doesn't seem to understand that you can't just frack and drill anywhere you want and expect to get oil.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Polygamy, polyandry, and monogamy, are all acceptable in the modern world depending where you live. I feel like my generation (born in '85) is much more socially accepting of lifestyle choices. I don;t think there should be any tax incentive or benefits for married persons that aren't equally available to single persons. That makes it a non issue. Treat people like individuals who are capable of determining their own best interests and leave it at that.

I have a fantasy where all institutions who don't honor this equity lose their tax exempt status. What a world that would be.

EDIT: Hieronymous Alloy raises good points against polygamy and polyandry, but I think that a modern sense of women's rights should dampen the tendency for polygamists social structure to devolve into harems.

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Mar 18, 2013

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Nov 15, 2004

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Zeroisanumber posted:

To be fair, those two barbaric motherfuckers are a good argument for keeping it around.

No they aren't. There is no good reason to have the death penalty. Its use is barbaric and not beneficial in any way.

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Nov 15, 2004

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SilentD posted:

They were left wing economically (a socialist workers party) and right wing on social issues. This is pretty standard. Left wing economics go hand in hand with right wing social issues. Left wing social issues go hand in hand with libertarian economic issues. You can't be a populist without also being a bigot, and you can't be progressive on social issues without also endorsing plutocracy.

I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

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Nov 15, 2004

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LP97S posted:

I said it in another thread, he is invaluable because he accurately reflects how many people who identify with and vote for Democratic party actually feel.

I hate being reminded of this, but is is too true. Not all democrats have good opinions, just like not all conservatives have bad ones.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Shut the gently caress up about South Park. If you can't watch a loving animated comedy TV show without your political feelings getting in the way I don't know what to tell you. Jesus Christ. Next we'll be discussing the deep political musings of Hey Arnold.

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Nov 15, 2004

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ashgromnies posted:

They aren't all scummy. A lot of legitimate and well-regarded IT service providers advertise on right wing talk radio. I guess right wingers purchase IT supplies a lot :shrug:

As somebody who has had the displeasure of working with them and their hardware products, I can assure you Barracuda Networks is neither a legitimate or well regarded IT company. They are the only IT ads I ever hear on right wing stations not counting AOL, and speed up your PC web site crap ware.


They do it because they can get idiot MBA's who just opened their small business to buy their poo poo. It's really that simple.

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 6, 2013

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Nov 15, 2004

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I turned off NPR sometime last year. The only media I can tolerate these days is Talking Points Memo, The Atlantic, and maybe Mother Jones. I also like watching The Young Turks. Liberal talk isn't terrible either. Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann, and I recently discovered Norman Goldman. They're not always perfect, but far better than anything else I've discovered.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Eponymouse posted:

:lol:

So to my understanding, radical centrists are the kind of milquetoast libertarians who nod thoughtfully at TED talks.

I love this imagery. You could replace TED talk with the Joe Rogan podcast and it works just as well!

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Nov 15, 2004

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Popular Thug Drink posted:

Short answer is that they are an experiment which got popular with crypto geeks, then libertarians, then lazy broke nerds, then speculators, then small shady businesses that sell equipment to produce bitcoins, then people who really want to make money from technology but don't understand technology, then people who report on technology for people who want to make money on technology but don't really understand technology, then here we are today. It's a snowball of idiocy and people trying to scam or preach to each other.

Basically it is the GOP in currency form.

In other news, The San Francisco bay area used to have a great radio station called Green 960. It had a great lineup of progressive talk. Stephanie Miller in the morning, Tom Hartman in the middle of the day. Randi Rhodes in the afternoon, and Norman Goldman in the evening. Well about a year ago they shuffled things up and brought in beck and a few other "financial talk shows" which sucked but at least i could still hear a couple good shows. Skip to this year and it has been completely re-branded as 960 The Patriot. It now only has right wing blowhards 24-7 and there is no trace of any of my progressive shows. Let's just say I am pissed about it.

gently caress the radio.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Bait and Swatch posted:

After hearing about the House passing the debt ceiling bill, I figured I'd touch the poop a little and listen to Mark Levine on my way home from work. While I was listening to him rant about the betrayal of true conservatives by the House GOP leadership, I realized that I really don't understand what extreme right wingers think the end-state of their paranoid fantasies are. If I'm correct in reading between Levine's generalities, they believe that the government, as a tool of the boogeyman left, is making itself bigger and driving itself into debt because they want to destroy the government because they hate America. Is this right? Because if so, I just can't follow the delusional logic. Not that it's surprising, but still :shrug:
Their goal is to make money off of bigots, idiots, true believers, and other grifters, while laughing all the way to the bank. This is accomplished by instilling fear via constant propaganda. Short term is all that matters.

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Feb 12, 2014

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Nov 15, 2004

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Bait and Swatch posted:

It's not like the Dems have exactly been throwing themselves in front of the train on this either though. Not that it's the equivalent of conservative efforts by any means, but it's become systemic rather than party based in my opinion.

I will gladly disagree on this one. You can say that about the revolving door and bowing to corporate interests but the level of grifting in the GOP is unparalleled in any other political party. The only thing close on the D side is book deals, and that's nothing.

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Nov 15, 2004

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Rev. Bleech_ posted:

Dude is a (purestrain) Goldmine:


this isn't a run for office, it's a loving D&D campaign.

Bonus "Worst Southern Accent Since Kenneth Branagh in Wild Wild West" Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQd5WfmwYMg

"it is peace, not war that kills men..."

I couldn't stop imagining Leonardo DiCaprio's character from Django Unchained speaking the whole time. I was half expecting an phrenology argument thrown in there.

Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Oct 5, 2015

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Nov 15, 2004

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Republicans posted:

They, like myself and many others, want very badly for him to win the Republican primary.

I believe they refer to this as "playing with fire."

Not the best idea when the world is a tinder box.

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Nov 15, 2004

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https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/846475641079902212

We all knew what she was, but she sure doesn't hide it these days.

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Nov 15, 2004

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https://twitter.com/rob_bennett/status/846765205468205056

@rob_bennett: Vile. "You saw what happened to Whitney Houston. Step away from the crack pipe..." - @EricBolling to @MaxineWaters https://t.co/CWMcJbQNIm

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Nov 15, 2004

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https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/851897983440482304

I have no idea who Ruby Tandoh is, but I like her.

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Nov 15, 2004

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I am not sure if this goes here or not, but I couldn't think of a better thread.

https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/851666150991708160

I can't stop laughing at this story.

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Nov 15, 2004

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STAC Goat posted:

See, if they did something like that I imagine Watters would fall apart under the criticism of him since he doesn't have any banked credibility or power.

I still feel like the safest move for Fox is just to throw Bret Baier or Chris Wallace in there to do "serious" news until they can find another pied piper. But that would vaguely be a "move to the center" and that could go really badly with viewers/other RWM.

The only positive thing that can come out of this, is if Shep Smith or Mike Wallace take shis spot. anything else will just be the same thing.

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Nov 15, 2004

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@passantino: Family of #SethRich demands Fox News retract discredited story, threatens legal action https://t.co/6BmmgtLmFE

https://twitter.com/passantino/status/865009707882135552

I was happy to see this.

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Nov 15, 2004

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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1417610391941787651

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Nov 15, 2004

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pentyne posted:

Does Breaking Points count as RWM?

someone introduced it to me and it looks like the dumbest truth in the middle podcast where they spend half the time boosting right wing propoganda, but will then say "maybe billionaires should pay more taxes?"

Breaking points is a weird thing.

Saggar loves to play footsie with the alt right and Crystal loves any chance to own the libs from the left, while also cozying up to the alt right.

Its a soft left almost strasserite amalgam of ideologies. I don't know if that is the right way to describe it.

They jumped ship from The Hill and tried going on their own. It seems like they found a home with being clickbait for the alt right and online left.


So short answer is yes.

Why does starting an online news platform seem to break so many people.

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Nov 15, 2004

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greazeball posted:

Well you see, simple commoner, modern journalists must achieve the highest state of enlightenment so that they can report the facts with pure objectivity and complete neutrality. None of these opinions or lived experiences which cloud the judgement of lesser beings. Which leads to situations where a journalist who has publicly discussed surviving sexual assault has to be banned from reporting on anything to do with sexual assaults in general lest the public get the impression that the reporter thinks that sexual assault is bad.

https://twitter.com/jasoncherkis/status/1418574114785308677

*Infinite screaming*

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