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Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Jace Madan posted:

And in the excessive violence catergory, here is the return of Carnage in Superior Carnage Annual #1









I'm still trying to figure out why somebody thought it was a good idea to have a blonde lady nurse with a cute little hat working in what appears to be a maximum-security prison with only male convicts.

That's like playing Russian roulette with a crossbow.

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Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
Some people just don't handle the Netherrealm style of fighting game very well.

It also had a problem for a while there, IIRC, where you either played as Superman or you went the gently caress home. MKvDC had a similar problem with Flash and Green Lantern.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
I guess the new Batwoman features Kate and Maggie breaking up. Hilarity has ensued in the usual places.

Edit: I am not sure how this post ended up in this thread.

Wanderer fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Aug 21, 2014

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Jerusalem posted:

It's a while since I read it but I'm pretty sure it ends with Thor collecting a team of people from throughout time who successfully fought or had ancestors who fought the Vikings and then proceeding to just beat the poo poo out of the zombie vikings?

It's that. The guy who originally cursed the Vikings screwed up and made the spell much more powerful than he intended, so they sailed the ocean for a thousand years and showed up in New York as unstoppable zombies. Dr. Strange figures it out, then finds three warrior descendants of the original spellcaster and uses their blood to fuel a counterspell.

The last issue of the book would actually fit pretty nicely into this thread, as it features Thor punching the leader of the Vikings into low orbit.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Gaiman was once asked about and he kind of shrugged and said if you go into a mall in London on a Saturday you'll see about a dozen boys that look exactly like Tim/Harry.

As somebody who shares that general look and ancestry, both Tim and Harry are basically the Generic White UK Teenager. It's always fun to watch a Potterhead discover Books of Magic and get all worked up about it for a day or so.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Cadavers4Algernon posted:

So how did they sidestep the whole everyone but Johnny Cage, Sonya, and Raiden are dead? I'm assuming it's some explanation like "Quan Chi brought em all back to life to fight the good guys but they broke free" or whatever.

They didn't. The issue's set "many years ago" and no one appears in it who didn't survive the events of MK9, with the possible exception of Sub-Zero, and even then it could just be another brother.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

FredMSloniker posted:

I love how everyone's solution for 'robot that is literally indestructible' is 'punch it more'. :allears: So how does Comics Ultron usually get defeated anyway?

His outer shell is invulnerable but his innards aren't quite as durable, so Wasp goes inside and starts yanking out the wiring or something.

In the Busiek/Perez arc, Hank gets a couple of loads of "Antarctic Vibranium," which liquifies nearby metal, and uses them like knuckle-dusters until Ultron stops moving.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Iirc he even says Other M was his vision for Samus all along.

If I remember correctly, a lot of the stuff that we consider canon for Samus Aran is from comics like the series that ran in Nintendo Power way back in the day, and as such aren't necessarily canon in the developers' eyes. This includes stuff like the Chozo infusing Samus with their DNA to save her life as a baby.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Drifter posted:

They'll solve it with EVEN MORE time travel, I'm sure.

Somebody ought to write a Terminator story set in the closing days of the war against Skynet, where a mixed human-Terminator response squad is sent back from the 30th century or so to get Skynet to stop loving using so much time travel.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Milotic posted:

It bugs me that Prometheus clearly mentions magical shenanigans before shooting Supergirl (who knows she is vulnerable to that stuff) and she's meant to be faster than a speeding bullet. And also when it was retconned that a Doombotsidekick was responsible for most of his chumpings.

Anyway, let's have some Secret Wars #4. This is a very stereotypical representation of the characters - Iron Man's a bit of a lounge lizard and Reed Richards is an rear end in a top hat. The most interesting thing is how utterly terrifyingly powerful the Molecule Man is - he does the following almost in an off-hand way. I've not come across him too often in my travels, I guess partly because he's so drat strong.

I love Secret Wars, it moves so quickly.







*some time later*





In retrospect, it's odd to see an issue where everyone's had the poo poo kicked out of them except Hawkeye.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
It probably isn't a mild thing for anyone to have their capacity for self-delusion removed. Even relatively grounded people are going to have a couple of comfortable illusions about themselves.

For most of the serial killers set up in that arc, it's going to wreck them, because a lot of them were high on their own weird legends about themselves. No, you aren't a great hunter in the wild, pursuing prey; you're some idiot with a gun going after unsuspecting targets. It'd mean they can't go into "idea phase," which is ostensibly the start of the serial-killer cycle.

Madkal posted:

Yea Dream doesnt really care for the killers one way or another and only deals with them because of their connection with Corinthian but he still deals out punishment that fits the crime. There isnt something spiteful about it. He dislikes the people because he sees Corinthian in them, and he sees Corinthian as his failed experiment.

I walked away from that TPB with the notion that the Corinthian had spent a fair amount of time outright influencing and inspiring a lot of those killers, particularly given the reaction he causes when he walks into the con.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
Let's see... there were the FF equivalents in Alan Moore's 1963, the barely-veiled parody of the FF in "The Venture Brothers," the Inferior Five, the Incredibles, arguably Bill Willingham's Elementals when you consider the matching symbolism, the various self-parodies from What The--?!, and the Marvel Mangaverse (where Johnny was a chick and Reed could "stretch his brain" to get smarter).

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

mind the walrus posted:

It is refreshing, which years of comics reading tells me to be terrified that it will be changed for arbitrary reasons into something stupid.

It's been the case for at least thirty years. It's probably fine.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
I always liked the Microchip solo story in that issue, although it's very much war/tech porn.

"All I ever wanted out of life was an unfair advantage."

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

AnonSpore posted:

Was that back when Doc's arms weren't also made of adamantium?

He's only had the Adamantium arms a couple of times. Usually they get taken away from him when he's captured, for obvious reasons, and he ends up having to make a new set.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Fabricated posted:

I'm not a huge American comic guy so I'm not familiar with most of Ennis' work outside of Punisher Max and a few other things but the impression I got is that Ennis really loving hates the poo poo out of superheroes, or rather the typical ideal of a superhero.

It's not that. It's that he grew up reading comics like "Judge Dredd" in 2000 AD, so typical superheroes seem more than a little bright and safe. 1980s Marvel heroes agonize over a situation in which they pretty much had to kill one guy; classic Dredd vaporizes a couple of hundred million civilians.

I've had half an idea for an Ennis effort post at some point, or perhaps a thread, but the general thrust of it is that Ennis absolutely does have a twisted sense of humor, and the single biggest flaw with his writing as a whole is how often it's allowed to run the show. At his best, however, he's one of the single best comic book writers in the business, with a sense of fearlessness that very few other writers can match. The problem is that he spent a lot of time making fun of superheroes, so comic-book grognards hate him, and the kinds of stories he tends to write also tend to turn off Tumblr-style liberal audiences, so he's caught between two extremes, and both sides like to build up a stereotype of him and his work that doesn't match the reality at all.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Die Laughing posted:

He puts too much heart into his writing to accuse him of making gore porn.

If that was an attempt at a pun, I feel as if I have to respect it.

I fell off the Geoff Johns train in a hurry because of his gore-porn tendencies, and how badly they clash with the Silver Age feel of the rest of his work. His Flash has a fair few scenes where he'd be contrasting Wally and Linda's marital woes with a side plot in which a serial killer was stabbing people to death, and his JSA in volume 2 features a team of throwback Nazis blending children to death while Cyclone does her best to find a new cute costume. Somebody needs to slow Johns's roll down.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Parahexavoctal posted:

"Peter, I'm an award-winning investigative reporter. You and I have worked side by side for over ten years. Frankly, it's a little insulting that you'd think I wouldn't know." -- Ben Urich, somewhere in Bendis's Daredevil run.

I always thought the last piece of the puzzle for Urich had to have been when Peter admitted to JJJ that he knew Daredevil's secret identity, back during Bendis's "Out" storyline. I have no real firm basis for that besides that it would sort of make sense.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Parahexavoctal posted:

I'm pretty sure Urich explicitly stated that was the last piece, yeah. (Well, that and the fact that if Spider-Man was seen rescuing people from a fire, Peter would smell like he'd been in a fire.)

I refuse to grant Ben Urich any clues that revolve around his sense of smell, as Ben Urich spent the 1980s and '90s with a lit cigarette wedged into every hole in his face.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
It's not an accident that the most fondly remembered Hank Pym moments are the ones where he leans into being a complete hot mess of a human being.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

AnonSpore posted:

"Kyle of Many Colors" lacks a certain je ne sais quoi

Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamkyle?

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

KittyEmpress posted:

I mean, in the run leading up to Old Man Rogers, he killed a lot. He took off mutate heads with his shield. He caused Mr. Magnificent to die. He killed Iron Nail if I remember correctly.

The difference is killing for an Avenger is an option.

Killing for Punisher is the Only Considered Course Of Action.

It's a reasonable line of inquiry if you've been reading the older comics, or you're old enough to have been reading them for a long time. Back in the '80s and '90s, there was a fairly strenuous "heroes do not kill" rule in place, both stated and unstated, to the point where the climax of the giant "Operation: Galactic Storm" crossover involves a schism in the Avengers over the issue. There was a lot of angst and brooding over the topic, particularly from Cap and Hawkeye.

Part of the line-wide tonal shift in the 2000s, with Quesada in charge, is a general relaxation of that policy, to the point where pretty much everyone has an incidental, deliberate body count. For some characters, it's mostly faceless aliens or HYDRA goons, but they'll still straight-up kill a dude from time to time and nobody really seems to care anymore.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
There are a lot of older issues that establish things about characters' powers which are later contradicted as the "widescreen" trend comes into play.

It used to be that Cap could chuck his shield around due to practice, skill, and I think there was at least a point in time where he had magnets built into his glove and its strap. He was not yet pulling off the eight-way trick shots that he now does as a matter of course, however, and I have to blame that on "widescreen" power creep.

Similarly, there used to be a few ways you could reliably kill Wolverine, and then people tried them and they didn't work. Same deal. Slitting his throat would've done it at one point, but not anymore.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
There used to be a substantial disagreement between Byrne and Claremont about how Wolverine's bones worked.

Byrne always held that Wolverine's bones had been removed and replaced with pure Adamantium duplicates, except for his spine, which was reinforced. His healing factor meant his blood cells didn't wear out, so he didn't need his bone marrow.

Claremont always held that Wolverine's bones had been structurally reinforced with Adamantium at a cellular level. They weren't as tough as "pure" Adamantium, but they were tougher than just about anything else, and they still had functioning bone marrow. When Wolverine gets killed in the "Days of Future Past" story, the calcium boiled away, leaving the Adamantium reinforcements.

In time, later writers seem to have effectively sided with Claremont, since removing the Adamantium meant there was something left to support Wolverine's body.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Choco1980 posted:

Didn't no-nose Wolverine eat a baby at one point?

That was from a (really bad) What If where he was possessed by demons.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Malachite_Dragon posted:

I still call bullshit on weather control being a 'mutation', that's magic, not DNA-fuckery :colbert:

They eventually moved in the direction that Ororo's specifically a very high-end aerokinetic, so she can mentally manipulate the atmosphere at long range. Hence, weather.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

That's a lot of fancy words for weather witch.

Scarlet Witch got chaos magicks, so Storm can have her magicks too!

I think Claremont was going to do something with it at one point, actually. When he was back on the X-books for about ten minutes before House of M, he had Storm doing things like generating a Jovian pressure field.

(I think I only remember that because it gave Paul O'Brien a conniption.)

Wanderer fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 5, 2016

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Choco1980 posted:

Isn't that the first time something broke Cap's shield? And like, the gravitas of those actions have been greatly reduced by unoriginal writers several times over since?

No, I think it's the second. Doom breaks a big chunk off of it at the end of the original Secret Wars.

FredMSloniker posted:

So what are Adam Warlock and the Silver Surfer waiting for? I mean, I presume the point of Cap's last stand is that he'll stand up against Thanos even when he has no chance of winning, not that he's going to pull something out of his rear end.

I actually hate that fight, and indeed that entire issue, because the whole thing is heroes going one-on-one against Thanos while the other twenty-something characters sit there with their thumbs up their asses.

If you go back and reread the comic, there's an opportunity on just about every page where somebody could end the fight, but they're stuck just off-stage due to Starlin's plot. It's irritated me for twenty-five years.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

X-O posted:

Nobody ever has a chance to end the fight, they are a coordinated distraction. That's the whole point and why Surfer gets mad at Warlock. He's created this plan for their attack but it's just to buy time for the other plans to go into effect.

Reread the comic and count the times where somebody could've taken out Thanos or removed the gauntlet from him were it not for Warlock's "plan." The most notable one is where Wolverine jumps at Thanos and stabs him in the chest, rather than taking Thanos's arm off at the elbow, and Quasar spends the whole fight just floating there like a moron.

Edit: Hell, just count the times where fifteen to twenty other superheroes sit there like bumps on a log and watch somebody else die.

Wanderer fucked around with this message at 05:06 on May 28, 2016

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
One thing you learn real quick playing Mirror's Edge is that Faith Connors is arbitrarily superhuman. She looks like she weighs about sixty pounds but can deliver an out-to-in crescent kick that can shatter a safety helmet, and is effectively invincible as long as she's moving fast enough.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Cabbit posted:

So she's a Guthrie.

You know what, I think she is nigh-invulnerable while she's runnin'. Good catch.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
Sue is one of three characters in the MU who's the dark horse contender for most dangerous super on Earth, just in terms of who stands a chance against her one on one. If, for example, the Hand got hold of her or Kitty or Katie Power, there aren't many supers who could do anything about it.

The Midniter posted:

In "What If Death's Head Had Lived?", Sue uses her power to explode bubbles in the villain (Charnal I believe). Unfortunately he can mimic or redirect powers or some such bullshit and when she tries it again, he blows up Thing (and maybe someone else, I can't remember) real good.

It was Luke Cage, as I recall. That book was a bloodbath.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Toadstrieb posted:

To me, it's poo poo-tier artwork. Everything in the picture looks amateurish and the execution is unimaginative and dull.

That just means you haven't actually seen poo poo-tier artwork yet.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Toadstrieb posted:

That makes me sad.

Since Gavok posted this on Twitter last night, thus reminding me it exists and cancelling my weekend, here's a good example of how deep this barrel goes:

http://4thletter.net/2009/06/tekken-saga-and-tekken-2-mishima-family-values/

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
Then Frank, in his own book at the time, walks out of the bar, completely intact, and decides for a lark to spend his last day on Earth shooting terrorists.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
The Vision's actually a pretty big deal and I can see him messing up a big crowd of superhumans, particularly when most of the people in that crowd don't really want to hurt or kill him. He's got two different flavors of invulnerability, solar blasts, the ability to painfully incapacitate anything organic, etc. Monica could be tricky, though.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

e X posted:

Okay, why is Vision such a big deal, exactly? Does he have any other powers besides becoming intangible? Because that alone, while a cool power, hardly makes him an incredible thread in my eyes.

Choco1980 posted:

He's got the standard superhuman strength and speed and flight, plus his forehead laser. And his intangibility is part of his ability to alter his density and mass at will, which he can control like the Atom. If he were to combine that with his phasing and say, stick his hand inside you then raise the density suddenly, the shock alone would kill you, let alone the fact that he was pulling a Kali Ma on you. As others have said, Monica's probably the only one who poses a threat to him at all there.

He can also increase his density to the point where he's capable of throwing down with guys like the Hulk.

I think it's also important to note that the trick where he raises his density with his hand inside a guy isn't just comic-book forum theorycraft, but is an actual thing the Vision does to people to knock them out.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

WickedHate posted:

Kingdom Come was rallying against grimdark, though.

Yeah, I'm not sure how you can read Kingdom Come as anything other than Mark Waid and Alex Ross telling the 1990s as a whole to gently caress off.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
If I remember correctly, Frank Miller's Batman/Spawn was canon to Spawn. Al had to walk around for a couple of issues with a Batarang scar on his face.

Also, there was a Marvel/Top Cow crossover that was canon to Top Cow's universe, since it was the first time Dani Baptiste had ever met Jackie Escatado. They brought it up later in the comic where Sara's daughter was born.

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Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

Choco1980 posted:

I want to like Ennis, I really do. But he just so often ends up feeling like the little kid proud of himself for writing a naughty word on the blackboard, and it just gets tiring.

I am generally a big fan of Garth Ennis, and even I don't really care for his work that tries to deliberately be comedy or parody.

All of that praise he caught for the audacity of Preacher didn't do him any favors in the long run. I try to stick to his other fiction.

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