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800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

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BiggerBoat posted:

That's true but it seems to me any cops investigating it wouldn't have a tremendously hard time identifying who was at the dinner/casino. They wouldn't even need anyone to testify if they checked out the casino's security footage. It seemed like one of the more easily solved murders in the show.

Also, now that I'm thinking about it, the FBI had Adriana as an informant who was last met with the idea of getting Christopher into the WPP and then she just vanished. I know she wasn't wearing a wire but it's not real hard to figure out what happened to her. Pussy WAS wearing a wire and the feds were still all just "welp, that's that I guess". I suppose you can argue that there's still no hard evidence but none of the FBI even used these disappearances to even LEAN on Tony or Chris.

I rewatched the Sopranos for the first time since it originally aired recently and there are a ton of threads that they leave hanging like this where you think there will be some sort of story consequences for their actions but they just sort of drop them without comment. There's the bug in the lamp, the russian in the woods, that waiter murder outside the casino, Adriana and the feds, etc. I realized at some point that the showrunners weren't really interested in a cops and robbers style story and were much more focused on how the characters lived in this really insular bubble where they only ever sort of brush up against the outside world occasionaly, and then its done as a way to highlight the character interactions. Like, the scene being discussed about the casino murder was about the passive aggressive power struggle between Paulie and Christopher that gets partially resolved by them committing a murder together. The outside world intruded on their argument and had to be destroyed.

It was really interesting revisiting this show years after I'd first seen it and thought it was just cool gangsters doing cool gangster poo poo. On the rewatch it was much more obvious that it was a show about these super weird, violent throwbacks who's worldview was warped due to being cut off from the rest of society. I remember thinking that Dr Melfi was some 90's post modern gimmick character, like isn't it wacky a mob boss is in therapy?! But I realized that she served as a tether for Tony's connection to the rest of humanity and the show was him alternating between rejecting and clinging to that tether. Such a good show. I'm pretty excited for The Many Saints of Newark and hopefully it lives up to the expectations.

For thread content: People in thriller moves realizing that poo poo is getting heavy and they ask their criminal connected buddy if they know where they can get a gun. Motherfucker this is America, you can go to a store

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800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

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In the new Suicide Squad I appreciate that the CGI birds represent actual species that exist in reality (its weirdly common in media to just make up fake birds, fish, bugs, etc for some reason) but Western Tanagers don't live on tropical islands nor are they carnivorous scavengers and I'm livid. Also lorikeets are endemic to australia, you idiots, you absolute buffoons. And don't get me started on the Eurasion Eagle Owl in The Ballad of Buster Scruggs. lmao cmon, immersion ruined

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DrBouvenstein posted:

What I never liked about Demolition Man was everyone in the future acts like John Spartan/the 90's were SO LONG ago and everyone was a violent sex monster.

Yet...the captain of the precinct was probably born in the 80's or early 90's...we SEE Spartan's former partner working a desk job, so it's not like a good portion of these people have no experience with actual violence or weapons.

It really should have been set more like 100 years in the future, not 50ish.

My problem with Demolition Man is that it is set in a world that has completely eliminated poverty, hunger and homelessness and hasn't had a single violent crime in 20 years but we're supposed to identify with Dennis Leary living in a sewer eating rats because he likes to say swears. The only thing that makes San Angeles a dystopia is the existence of Rob Schneider.

Movie rules though. Too bad Wesley Snipes went insane and doesn't make movies anymore

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BioEnchanted posted:

They haven't eliminated poverty, they've basically made it illegal. Denis Leary is a homeless guy who was forced underground with other people who were subsequently ignored by the rich people enjoying the utopia.

I just rewatched it recently and he said they specifically choose to live in the sewers. He says they could live up top but it has to be Cocteau's way or they can live in a sewer and starve to death but they get to do cusses.

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Mar 1, 2001

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I watched Old last night and lmfao what are we doing here, movie? Hello I am the main character and my personality is [Insurance Actuary] how do you do.

Also I was watching a trailer for another horror movie and I was like "I wonder if it will have a top down drone shot of a car driving on a forest road" and lol of course it does, they all do.

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I'm around 10 minutes into Many Saints of Newark and I just have one question: was their lighting budget like 10 dollars? Did the same guy who directed that one night battle episode of game of thrones do this one? It's like watching a movie while having a stocking or something over my head.

e: maybe i'm not giving it a fair chance but I think this movie might just suck

I'm planning to check this out tonight or tomorrow but this reminded me of a meta-IIMM: all these directors whining and bitching that their movies are going to simultaneous theater + streaming releases. gently caress off dickheads, there's a pandemic literally killing people maybe folks would like to see the movie somewhere safe. I dunno though, maybe your artistic vision is worth getting intubated for, who can really say

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yeah I eat rear end posted:

To help me decide if I need to watch this movie: is it in any way similar in tone to Ready Player One where it gets up its own rear end about video games and "nerd culture" references?

Its not a nostalgia orgy like RPO but it definitely does have its fair share of references. There's a bunch of cameos by famous twitch streamers, they use a portal gun, etc. Its a movie about video games so yeah, its up its rear end a bit but its fun if you like Ryan Reynolds whole thing

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Mar 1, 2001

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Saw Dune last night. I saw it in IMAX and got thoroughly Zimmered by the soundtrack. Pretty good, would recommend seeing in a theater if you can. My IIMM is all of the clumsy expository world-building dialogue. Like, I get that one of the things people rag on Lynch's version for was all of the voice-over inner monologue narration but this ain't better, imo. Even though they had characters describing the world to each other, they made the odd choice to avoid describing a lot of things that I would think were really important to understanding some of the plot points. Biggest example (major spoiler if you aren't already familiar with the story): They never talk about Yueh's Imperial Conditioning and why it was such a shock that he was able to betray the Atreides. They kind of just ignored his character until he was necessary to the plot and it felt like it came out of nowhere. I don't recall them ever using the word "Mentat" or saying who Thufir was supposed to be. Maybe there were some scenes that got cut?

Also, I think it may be impossible to show the Fremen breakstep walk on film without it looking super embarrassing. Ornithopters loving rule though.

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BiggerBoat posted:

Dune is a pretty dense novel and really hard to adapt to film. I had a rough time just with the book first time I read it in high school and had to go back to it like decades later.

Yeah, friends and I were talking about that when we got out of the movie. Dune doesn't have a fish-out-of-water character that's common to scifi/fantasy that lets the other characters explain the world to the audience and there's a lot of world that needs explaining. I was just a little irritated that they combined some really stilted exposition through dialogue while also ignoring some world building elements that I thought were pretty important to the story. It's hard for me to tell how well it comes across to people who don't already know the story and setting going in, though.

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Android Apocalypse posted:

On the other end of the spectrum, my gigantic IIMM of Hellboy was the introduction of John Myers as the audience stand-in. He was totally useless and adds nothing to the story. IMO it's what I liked a lot about Hellboy: The Golden Army: just jump right in with the characters you know & have some interesting worldbuilding to boot.

Yeah, its not great to have an obvious audience stand in either. Ideally, the world should be able to speak for itself. Fury Road is a good example of the world being self-explanatory. No exposition needed to describe the political relationship between Immortan Joe and the Bullet Farmer or the religion of the Warboys or whatever. What you need to know is on screen. I also realize that isn't always possible, especially with adaptations of novels/comics, but it would be an ideal I think.

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yeah I eat rear end posted:

Demons never seem grateful to the person who summons them. It's always just some snide comment and then they murder them. Why don't they put that part in the summoning books? "by the way, the demon is kind of a jerk and will probably kill you"

And while we're at it, who the gently caress would sell their soul to the devil? Like, cool, enjoy your billion dollars or sick fiddle skills for a couple of decades. Hope it was worth the eternity of neverending torture.

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Mar 1, 2001

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HARKonnen, ugh.

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I didn't realize who the director was but that certainly explains why I got Smokin Aces vibes from Cop Shop.

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Pilchenstein posted:

I like Carnahan's films (despite his best efforts sometimes), love Frank Grillo and hate Gerard Butler with a passion so this looks like an interesting watch lol

Edit: maybe "like" is too strong a word, the man breaks about even I reckon :v:

"Flawed but interesting" is definitely an apt description. There were some good ideas in Cop Shop but also the ending felt re-written to satisfy Butlers ego. I think its worth checking out but I'm not sure I'd call it a good movie.

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Basebf555 posted:

He was finally exposed because he trusted Lana and obviously has a lot of humility about what The Matrix did for his career and wanted to deliver for the fans. The stuff he's been praised for in the John Wick series is due to him working with the best choreographers and stunt people in the entire industry, and also his willingness to put in months of intense training. None of that happened on Matrix Resurrections, and that's why he looks so slow and bumbling in those action scenes. He's never been an actual martial artist or gun expert, he needs the real pros to come in and train him up. What makes him special is that he's willing to do all that even at age 40 and 50+. He's never been someone like Donnie Yen or Scott Adkins who can come in and shoot a good fight scene in a few days with no preparation.

He was wheezing and shuffling his way through John Wick 3 too. I've never understood how people think he's this ageless immortal - dude absolutely looks his age and has for a while. There's nothing wrong with that. That said, when I was watching Resurrections I was imagining Reeves on set being like, "You know, Lana, I know some guys who could punch up these action sequences a bit...no? Well alright then"

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Mar 1, 2001

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I just watched Midnight Mass and it was honestly a lot better than I was expecting. One of the best parts about it was, get this, there was an actual loving ending. It was a complete story. One of the reasons I put off watching it was because I didn't realize it was a limited series. And thats my IIMM: so many modern "prestige" series are just gigantic wastes of time because there's some expectation that they will continue into perpetuity so they end up with tons of filler and padding that goes nowhere and adds nothing to the story. Mysteries drag on with no resolution and often the shows get canceled in the middle of some cliffhanger. Even when they do continue, they usually lose the plot as the writers scramble to come up with ways to keep the show going. It sucks. I really want more limited series where there is a coherent vision and a complete story arc with at least the attempt at a satisfying conclusion.

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That Italian Guy posted:

If you haven't already, watch The Haunting of Hill House.

Was thinking about it since its by the same guy. I just read the book relatively recently as well. But now I'm having a mild Mandela Effect freakout since I distinctly remember watching a movie adaptation that wasn't The Haunting and I can't find any reference to it anywhere.

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SiKboy posted:

The house on haunted hill maybe? Or Rose Red, the TV miniseries?

I figured it out, it was Legend of Hell House. I got it confused because they have very similar stories. Matheson is much more misogynistic than Shirley Jackson, tho

e: House on Haunted Hill with Vincent Price owns. The ending is hilariously bonkers

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Finally got around to watching Shang Chi and we're just gonna keep doing monster portals until the heat death of the universe I guess

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Perestroika posted:

Meanwhile in the warzone movie they actually went hard and gave the same character a look that actually fits the concept:



Punisher War zone is the best comic book movie ever made. Fire Paul Feige and replace him with Lexi Alexander.

Punisher chat reminded me of an IIMM in the first season. Theres a scene where some criminals are killing a guy by burying him in concrete because, for some reason, theres just yards and yards of hot concrete ready to go but no workers on site. Also, no rebar reinforcement cage, just a 10ft deep pit full of concrete. The overall laziness around construction in media is kind of a general IIMM of mine since movie and TV writers have never worked a day in their lives and so of course they think nail guns work like machine pistols and theres always like ten guys breaking concrete with jackhammers all day.

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Mar 1, 2001

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christmas boots posted:

The How Did This Get Made podcast (with comedians Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, and Jason Mantzoukas) actually had her on when they did their episode on that movie.

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/punisher-war-zone/

Sadly it's behind a paywall, but it's there if you want to hear her talk about how she ended up on the project and what tha process was like.

I've heard it. She's amazing. My favorite part is where she said a producer told her that under no circumstances was she to include any parkour so she created an entirely parkour based gang just to middle finger that guy. And then Frank shoots one of em with a rocket launcher and its the best scene in the movie. Its an absolute crime that Lexi's never made another movie since

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I tried reading The Boys graphic novel because the show is very good and I put it down half way through the first volume. Homophobic, racist edgelord trash. I honestly can't believe someone turned that turd into something worth watching. Garth Ennis sucks poo poo.

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Gaunab posted:

You guys should read Crossed. I haven't but you should.

I did, at least a bit of it anyway. Its....not good

Also, I love Roland Emmerich's dumb idiot movies so much and I can't wait to see Moonfall. I really hope there is an estranged father character trying to unite with his family in the face of the global disaster and also a noble stepfather who sacrifices himself so estranged father can get back together with his wife by the end of the movie

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KozmoNaut posted:

I did notice the lighting in those scenes, which looked like they had huge spotlights positioned just out of sight behind the characters, because that's literally what they did.

I get why they did it, but it looks kinda odd and absolutely not like any kind of contemporary light source. It looks like a theater stage or a theme park ride decoration.

I can't remember what movie was watching recently but the night scenes literally had giant spotlights, like in the shots and it made me lol.

Do people have lovely tvs or watch movies on their phones or something? It's insanely rare that I watch a movie that's too dark to make out what's happening and then its usually a horror movie that's intentionally too dark to hide the lovely monster puppet/bad ghost cgi. I don't have a crazy high end tv or anything either but I usually do watch movies in a darkened room so maybe that helps?


Log082 posted:

Crichton ends the Jurassic Park second book with a speech about how maybe atoms aren't real, have you ever seen an atom? Like, with your eyes?

The entire thesis of the series (and a lot of his other books) is that science is bad and will kill us all. JP gets a pass because it's an incredible movie and dinosaurs are so awesome it buries the dumb message. I love the series but it was a hit in spite of Crichton, not because of him.

IIRC Crichton ended up as a climate change denier so, yeah

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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

This is even funnier when you see the angry twitter mob getting upset about their bad movies being lightly ribbed.

Lmao people in that thread shrieking mad at jokes about a fake movie. Bananas.

IIMM: Lazy writers making every character act like a colossal dickhead to every other character for cheap drama. I tried watching some Korean space show and shut it off halfway through the first episode when all of the characters, who just met, talked nonstop poo poo directly into each others faces before getting on a spaceship to save the earth or something. No one does this why do writers think people act like this. Like yeah, you'll run into an rear end in a top hat every so often but human interaction isn't a constant Hobbesian war of all against all and it pulls me out of a story faster than just about anything else. Such a common trope and so annoying.

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FreudianSlippers posted:

And if you're immortal but not a literal blood drinking undead monster why would most people care?

Most normal people probably wouldn't care. Its the Peter Thiel level ghouls that want to vivisect the secrets of eternal life out of you that you'd want to avoid.

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OPAONI posted:

I think, without any evidence to back it up, that Nolan is somehow hearing impaired.

Nolan's a big ol baby about The Theater Experience and hates that plebes watch his films on televisions at home. The sound mixing is only intended to work in theaters with high dynamic range sound systems played at ear shattering volumes for maximum ~*immersion*~.

BiggerBoat posted:


I can't watch any of his movies without my sound remote next to me.

To be fair, this describes like 90% of action/blockbuster movies played in stereo. I finally broke down and got a soundbar that let me crank dialogue channels and everything is much better. Nolan is the worst about it though.

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There's also the existential question of whether or not being torn apart into constituent atoms and reassembled elsewhere means you've actually been killed and replaced with a clone.

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Oh sorry if I was repeating whatever was in that video, im at work and can't watch it

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Titling a docuseries about ultracapitalist dickhead crypto bros "The Anarchists" is extremely irritating, to me.

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Samovar posted:

That sounds absolutely irritating - where the hell is that from?

https://www.hbo.com/the-anarchists

I'm all for a documentary about these idiots falling on their rear end but I'm getting real tired of people uncritically accepting the hard right reframing of terms and ideas.

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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

If a casino finds out a dealer is cheating, they let them cheat until it's a felony amount of money and they have enough video evidence to get them dead to rights. Once they've got that, they let the dealer come in, clock in, and go to their table. Then they come down with cops and casino security, take the dealer off the game, handcuff them, and perpwalk them across the casino floor as an example to all the other dealers: if you cheat, this is what will happen to you. After that the dealer goes to jail and they have to pay back every dollar they stole.

It's medieval. It's bone-chilling. I've personally seen it done, with my own eyes, at two different casinos in two different states. Casinos don't gently caress around when it comes to the money.

I've seen this happen too. Except instead of a casino it was a Home Depot and instead of a dealer cheating it was a teenaged cashier making minimum wage and he was helping some contractors shoplift by not ringing them up for everything and then taking some small amount of money for himself. Exact same deal though, they watched him until it was a felony and then had him perp walked from his register in the middle of the busiest shift by a platoon of cops. They purposely went out the door farthest from the register so the maximum number of people could see. I loving hated that place so much.

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Prey IIMM

Title card: The Great Plains

Movie: Mountains loving everywhere

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Pope Corky the IX posted:

Boy did action movie heroes get shot in the shoulder a lot in the eighties and nineties. And somehow it never impedes them other than maybe listing to starboard when they run.

At some point hollywood realized this was getting cliche so now all the heroes of action movies get non-fatally shot in the lower outside abdomen, which as we all know contains no organs vital to human survival.

Since I just watched Prey over the weekend, I thought I'd go back and rewatch Predators, where the following exchange happens early in the film:

Adrian Brody, speaking to a latinx woman with a definite Portugeuse accent who just demonstrated her in-depth knowledge of jungle environments - "[You're] IDF?"

The clearly Brazilian woman: "Yes"

:psyduck:

Note, I'm not trying to be essentialist here but it was just a super weird choice to make the character Israeli for no reason when it would have made much more sense for her to be like Colombian spec ops or a FARC guerrilla or some poo poo, especially considering the original was set in Guatemala and she has knowledge about the original event. Felt like a studio rewrite.

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Just saw Predator 2 in my ongoing rewatch of the Predator franchise. My IIMM is that its pretty obvious the director and/or screenwriters really loved Aliens but didn't know how to construct scenes with the same impact. They basically redid Hudson's death scene with Bill Paxton on the subway and the APC scene where Gorman freezes up when Gary Busey tries to capture the predator, except neither one of those scenes works nearly as well as the scenes they were cribbed from. Still, the movie was better than I remembered it being and Danny Glover rules.

Also, realizing like 30 years after the fact where that sample from Ice Cube's The Predator came from was cool.

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credburn posted:

Wait, so there's just like a montage of hit-and-runs?

Not the same thing, but just to talk about casual violence committed on screen that's played for laughs or just ignored, there's a scene in one of the Die Hard movies -- the one in Russian -- where Bruce Willis drives an SUV onto an old lady's car. The roof collapses, there's shattering glass, and he's like "sorry, lady!" and it's played for laughs. She is most assuredly dead.

Fast 5 starts with the team rescuing Dom from a prison transfer bus filled with guards and other prisoners. During the escape the bus is launched through the air at high speed, spinning dozens of times before being utterly annihilated on impact. Smash cut to a shot of a TV playing a newscast of the daring escape where "miraculously, no one else was injured". I get that the Fast & Furious movies are live action cartoons but c'mon

Unrelated IIMM: prequels of movies or shows where the actors playing young versions of characters just do lovely impressions of the original actors. I'm looking at you The Many Saints of Newark. God that movie was a disappointment

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Chemtrailologist posted:

I mostly enjoyed the movie but it did turn into the same bullshit fight at the end like Terminator Salvation. The monster who vastly overpowers the hero just ends up tossing her around rather than killing her with a single hand.

Yeah, thats an irritating cliché in tons of monster movies. Unstoppable murder monster and hero face off in the final battle and the giant beast whose only reason for existence is merciless killing just starts judo flipping the protagonist into stacks of fluffy soft cardboard boxes.

Another monster IIMM: whenever some big stupid cgi monster is revealed to the audience for the first time it has to stop, do a pose, and then roar for like 45 seconds while the other characters all stand there and stare at it. Why the gently caress you roaring you dumb monster, just attack.

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I've probably posted this before but is it Movie Law that every single horror film is required to have an overhead drone shot of a car driving on a forest road? I know you think its super cool your cousin got a DJI Phantom or whatever but please discover new ways of doing establishing shots you loving hacks

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That Italian Guy posted:

If it was good enough for Shining it's good enough for any horror movie. (Yeah it was an helicopter and a cliffside, but close enough).

You know I was trying to think of who did it first and of course it was Kubrick and of course every two bit hack thinks they're making The Shining (except its about a scary AirBnB and the slasher is a homicidal Amazon delivery driver or some poo poo)

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Baron von Eevl posted:

Barbarian is actually supposed to be really good.

Yeah, reviews look good. I was trying to round up some friends to check it out this weekend or in the next few days. But I have seen at least two movies in the last year about scary AirBnB's so its a thing

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