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Pimpmust posted:
Sissy compromisers that are ruining the country? Sounds about the same as here.
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Randarkman posted:Europeans, and in many cases Scandinavians in particular, are just really, really bad at integration. In Norway we seem to think that sticking people who just came from a poverty-stricken war-zone in semi-closed instiutions (often privately run) without true contact with the real world is the path to integration and gainful employment. That's horrifying. The town in the US I grew up in gets a lot of refugees (Bosnians and Afghanis when I was there, I think Sudanese in the past few years) and they were treated more or less normally. Not that there weren't issues, but they went to the same schools, lived in the same areas, etc as people who grew up in the area.
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Konec Hry posted:No, I don't think this is necessary true at all. Or, if you think about it in practice, I'm not sure this is possible. I can think of plenty of times when it's possible and has happened,even in Europe.
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Phlegmish posted:Scandinavia's standard of living, the stability of its institutions, and the social trust and capital that mark its societies are all rooted in its dominant culture. This state of affairs is not tied to the land, it's not a magical force floating through the air, it's something that is (re)produced day after day by actual people with specific ideas and attitudes laboring and interacting. Actually I think large amounts of oil revenue is or was a strong contributing factor to the present state of affairs, so that is "from the land". At least talking about Scandinavia, less so for Sweden specifically. computer parts fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Ligur posted:Or do you, honestly, disagree, and think thoughts or how people behave in a society spring up completely unrelated to their surroundings? I think people are more willing to adapt to change than you give them credit for (especially if you don't literally shove them into a ghetto).
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catbread.jpg posted:its people are completely interchangeable with Somalians 
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Ligur posted:When did I say people are unwilling to adapt? I think people are quite willing. I think USA is a good example if anyone doubts that. It's just that we're not USA. Any of their measures with how to go about integration would be instantly torpedoed by our Right Thinking and Good Nordic Social Democrats. Also USA is a country of immigrants to begin with and has a completely different mental view to everything related (not to mention how the economy works), so it's a bad analogue to any political changes but surely proves the willingness of spirit for the human to change to make it. Basically any of the New World has similar ideas of cultural integration as the US, and even though they are younger than most of the European cultures they are still old enough that their example could be followed as a cultural guideline.
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Zombiepop posted:I wrote maybe, and I didnt say close the borders so please dont put words in my mouth. And yes sweden is a rich country, and while immigration may not cost a lot of money, there is still the issue with building houses, creating jobs, welfare,education, therapy and so on. A lot of that could be done by the immigrants themselves (at least labor).
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Ligur posted:
Are you going to talk about the Knockout Game next or are you just accidentally cribbing points from Sean Hannity?
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Ligur posted:Just trying to annoy you, prolly. It's not annoying, it's hilarious. It's like the last time D&D had a thread about the Roma and all of the Europeans went "but it's okay to be racist against them because they're actually thieving scum!"
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on the left posted:China and India are the two most prosperous countries in the world as a result of following this simple rule. Their GDP are growing at a higher rate than most other nations.
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on the left posted:Yeah, because having a bunch of surplus population allows you to treat your population like poo poo to secure an economic advantage. Sweden probably isn't planning on sending these people to work camps like the Chinese do. Well if they're like Australia there will be camps of some sort.
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Xoidanor posted:Right-wing by swedish standards smartass. If D&D has taught me anything it's that there's no such thing as regional standards.
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uno.mannschaft posted:Because nuclear power is bad for the environment. Not as bad as coalplants, but still bad. If they use the "lesser of two evils" reasoning they might find them selves locked in as accepting nuclear power as a long term solution which they don't think it is. So they they try to implement policies for shutting down the nuclear powerplants in existence by making it harder to earn money running a powerplant while opposing the building of new ones. In the mean time they hope a viable solution to replace nuclear power will present itself. Good to see that "starve the Beast" still has fans.
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uno.mannschaft posted:Thats not the term i would use here? Well, "being complete dumbasses" is kind of rude.
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uno.mannschaft posted:Thats not what starving the beast means though. Starving the beast is lowering taxes to limit public spending. Here the government wants to raise taxes and lower subsidies to make nuclear power unprofitable. I don't think thats the same thing. And with regards to MP they say they think this is the way to go in order to avoid getting sued like the German govenment. One is doing X to Y, the other is doing X to Z. Totally different!
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uno.mannschaft posted:One is lowering taxes to limit government spending, the other is raising fees to limit private profits. Yes totally different, glad we agree! One is lowering access to money to discourage an activity, the other is lowering access to money to discourage an activity.
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Gedt posted:By their own rhetoric, hes not Swedish. Hes Scanian Hmm, I wonder if there was another leader who failed to conform to Aryan stereotypes yet pushed them as ideal.
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Poil posted:The most swedish thing you can possibly do is to obsess endlessly over what is typically swedish. With a proper assimilation program, yes (like in the US).
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Groda posted:is this sarcasm? The very existence of a "white" identity for European descended Americans should tell you how successful their integration programs were. Hell, they even almost integrated Hispanics of various nationalities into the "white" category too.
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Ligur posted:Yes. The American assimilation program: you are told what you can't do anymore and what you can do in very blunt terms - before you leave your original country if you are a refugee. Then you get a bit of monthly cash for a short time and an address where you can take classes in English. Depending on your status you might get some money for 6 months or perhaps a little longer, or not at all, but it won't last very long no matter what. Then you are off to fend for yourself. If you can't find a job, you will go hungry and most who don't make it head home. If you are criminally inclined, you will be immediately deported. Refugees aren't the only immigrants. The US is culturally just better at integrating immigrants.
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Ligur posted:Nobody ever makes the argument refugees are the only immigrants. Like, ever. Your response quite clearly indicated in that direction. quote:No poo poo. There's also a bit of a concensus why this might be so to those who are interested.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Not a big expert on Lean, but the short presentation of it I've seen just focused on cutting down on wasteful processes based on unfounded assumptions (the example given being preparing both a coke and a jug of coffee, and then having the other person ask for water.) I'm guessing Lean just keeps getting expanded upon, in a never-ending attempt at continuously improving "efficiency"? Good implementation of Lean involves founded assumptions. It's really the same as most philosophies - people will adopt it and instead of actually doing what it says they'll change the parts they don't like and claim that they're following the orthodoxy.
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Xoidanor posted:http://www.thelocal.no/20150507/norway-scraps-blasphemy-law-after-hebdo-attacks Do they have a similar "illegal to voice support for terrorism" law like France does?
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SplitSoul posted:If the right wins this election the age of criminal responsibility is being lowered to 12. http://www.clickhole.com/article/ready-feel-old-kids-born-2001-are-already-getting--2416?fb_ref=Default
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Cardiac posted:But hey, this is Sweden, the country where anti-racists think it is a good idea to register ethnicity, religion and sexual preference in order to make sure no one is discriminated. Cause that have always been such a good idea in the past. France doesn't report ethnicity and most of their prisoners are still Muslim.
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jonnypeh posted:How exactly? I can see that majority of the world lives in poverty, but isn't that due to corruption, nepotism and poor education where they live? Before 1960 (or thereabouts) large parts of the world were colonial subjects that directly transferred wealth to their mother countries. After 1960 we did not redistribute that wealth back.
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Ligur posted:
Do tell.
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Dirk Pitt posted:Is Scandinavia struggling with Islam? My wife and I live in Oklahoma and are used to stories about area Muslims being harassed and their places of worship being defiled. I can't imagine someone loving with a cemetery here, but if there were one, I'm sure it would happen. I think in Texas(?) there was a story about people trying to block a Muslim graveyard from being built, but that's about it. Believe it or not, the US is actually way ahead of the curve in terms of integrating minorities.
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Xoidanor posted:Say what you want about Scandinavia but at least we made an effort to get rid of our institutionalized discrimination instead of embracing it and making it a core aspect of our economy. I don't know about the latter, but Ghettoization definitely points to institutionalized segregation.
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Xoidanor posted:Could just as well be a sign of income inequality or a housing crisis, oh wait gently caress we have both. And so does the US, and yet immigrants there are still better integrated (even if you compare ones from the same era, i.e. ignoring all the recent refugees).
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OhYeah posted:Xenophobia keeps you away from a situation where you suddenly discover you are an ethnic minority in your own country, like Sweden in a few decades, if the current trends keep up. If you argue that it doesn't matter or it's even desirable, then we are in a disagreement. I know that's not allowed in Sweden - to have a "dissenting opinion" that is - but I'm not in Sweden. Good to know the US hasn't been racist in 150 years.
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OhYeah posted:What motivates a global superpower like United States is something different entirely. Good to know the US wasn't racist from 1865-1935.
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Kajeesus posted:A xenophobe acts against outside forces to ensure their own survival. A racist acts against people who are different in some way because they perceive them to be a threat to their existence. In theory, a racist would act against ethnic minorities that already exist in the country, while a Xenophobe wouldn't. In practice, you don't get to see much of a difference in Whitetopia Europe and most of the "xenophobes" would probably act just as lovely to existing minorities. For an example of the latter (especially in Finland) you can look at the Sami.
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OhYeah posted:You can demand something that you have right to. As a citizen of Estonia I can demand many things from my fellow countrymen and the government, but when I go to Sweden, I couldn't, because I have neither the moral nor the legal right to do so. I'm not Swedish, I don't have family there, my tax money hasn't gone to support and expand the country and the welfare of its people. I don't expect anything, I don't take anything for granted, and if I'm given something, I'm grateful. And people say Americans hate the poor.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, you have to realize, Sweden is to the rest of the EU as the EU is to Iraq. Full of racists?
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England is my favorite Scandinavian country.
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We must have Fascism in order to preserve Socialism.
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Fox Cunning posted:Other things we can learn from ancient Rome is that slavery and imperialism are highly profitable endeavors, perhaps a solution to our woes? Well the latter is already practiced in the EU.
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Cardiac posted:
Because usually racists don't need a yellow star to determine who's too brown for their country.
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