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Batham posted:Throwing a tantrum isn't going to change the reality about it. Arguing "they are not drawn specifically Asian, and are instead broad analogue more than one person can relate to" is one thing, arguing that they they're actually white people is something else. Animated characters are never one to one with reality anyway, in terms of intent. The Simpsons have already been mentioned, but American Dad, Family Guy and even Frozen use body and face proportions that are basically impossible, and that's fine because they're symbolic representations of people.
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Batham posted:Yes, but cartoons like that play into exaggerated facial features to differentiate racial groups. The average face in an animé doesn't do this. Ah, yes. Like how in Frozen, Elsa has the racial marker of her eyes being a foot across, so we know she's Swedish.
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Apr 18, 2016 00:39
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The other thing to remember specifically about eyes is that, in both 2d and 3d animation, they can't be 1:1 analogues to real eyes. They're the one part that needs to be a lot more expressionistic. 'realistic' eyes, like those in "Polar Express" look creepy, while massive, over the top, expressive eyes, seem more real. There's other symbolism to the eye as well. In Anime, like Ruroni Kenshin, eyes change size and colour depending on the character's relationship to killing. The titular character's eyes are very large, with purple irises, most of the time, while, when he's in killing mode, they narrow, and become red. Good characters are consistently large eyed, evil ones consistently narrowed.
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Apr 18, 2016 01:42
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Gyges posted:Actually, I always wondered about this. Togusa is explicitly said to have no cybernetic enhancements, being totally human. Aramaki is somewhat implied to be similar. However both of them are always jumping into cyber lobbies for meetings and having thought conversations with the rest of the team. How the hell does Togusa keep doing these things that require at least minimal cyberization? Wasn't there an episode where Togusa starts doubting if he actually has that family, that they might be a layer of manipulation?
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Wank posted:a) I don't get the problem with Scarjo - Is the Major "Japanese"? She is a cyborg. Correct. A Japanese cyborg. From Japan. Who works for the Japanese government and whose appearance is designed to allow her to fit in in Japan.
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Apr 18, 2016 08:06
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Wank posted:Did anyone complain that Akira Kurosawa didn't cast any Scottish actors in Throne of Blood? This is a really well thought out, appropriate comparison.
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Comrade Fakename posted:, it seems odd to single out GITS for that. icantfindaname posted:
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Apr 19, 2016 12:52
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Clipperton posted:i'm not defending anything, it's just that your own concocted scenario is looneytunes. but if you have any real information on what was going on with the screentest feel free to share it, i mean you seem very sure "They couldn't have done that because that would be a dumb move" is a foolproof counter.
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Apr 20, 2016 01:37
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Clipperton posted:None of that is inconsistent with Comrade Fakebot's theory, in fact it fits the facts better, since if the tests were for an alternate cyborg body of the Major's, it'd be true that they were both for Johansson's face (like Screencrush says) AND for a 'background character' (like Paramount claims)... Or alternatively, the same industry that thought Gemma Arterton was a good choice for a movie called "Prince of Persia" and a Swedish guy was a good choice for "Gods of Egypt" and honestly cannot see the problem with casting hispanics as middle easterners actually is kind of dumb when it comes to race.
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Apr 20, 2016 03:46
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Those are pretty. What is the lesbian orgy I keep hearing about?
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Apr 22, 2016 00:41
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I've generally found that any movie that puts a comparison to another movie up front, like, on the poster or DVD case or whatever, is terrible. Frequently irredeemably so.Bugblatter posted:Is comparing yourself to the matrix even a strong selling point these days? I doubt it. People who really think highly of the matrix are probably aging out of the viable movie-going demographic. I was blown away by it when it first came out, and I'm just shy of thirty now.
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They're also leaning a fair bit on some matrix imagery, with the slow motion glass explosion and wall running gun fighting. It had been a while since I'd seen that in a movie. It looks really cheap, which is strange, because it presumably wasn't.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:14
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Canvassing for volunteers wouldn't be a good way to keep a program secret. Which is of course why clandestine agencies around the world exclusively recruit unwilling volunteers.
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One thing SAC does really well is the transition between the monster of the week episodes and the actual plot. That's usually clunky as hell, but SAC gets it almost organic feeling.You just sort of switch at some point, without really noticing.
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Mar 20, 2017 00:35
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Midjack posted:They tell you at the title screen of each episode if it's a "stand alone" or "complex" episode. I watched all 50 episodes and never noticed this, which says something worrying about me.
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Mar 20, 2017 09:18
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Yeah, those 'making of books' tend to give you a pretty bare bones view of how the thing got made. They'll tell you they wanted a 'natural look' but they don't exactly break down lense and lighting choices, or walk you through what size nails the carpenters use. It would make perfect sense for them to inlcude a napkin sized summary of her arc, seeing as that's pretty much the 'we wanted a natural look' of story structure. As silly as the film will probably be, this is more a reason that making of book is stupid, not the movie.
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Mar 21, 2017 10:08
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cosmically_cosmic posted:The note basically says 'insert story arc here' I really don't get how you can describe it as some sort of valuable tool crucial to creating this work of fiction. It's like someone wrote 'PLAN: Make movie with character arc'. That's what's so embarassing about it, it doesn't do anything wrong it's just so childish and dumb that it's funny. I mean that might be me just being pretentious, thinking that 'is lost, finds self beats villain' should be written down with lines connecting those points like you might accidentally start with her found and then losing herself while beating the villain in the first act. Nobody has framed it as valuable, crucial or impressive except you. You've used these lofty terms, then gotten angry when the image in a shallow making of book fails to live up to the towering heights you've set. You might as well have spent several long posts being angry about sketches of characters. "Why do they need sketches? People can just figure out how they stand. This is not a gorgeous, beautiful, transcendant image." Young Freud posted:It thinks it's deep and unique but in reality, it's almost generic to the point of being boilerplate. It does not think anything because it is a piece of paper represented on another piece of paper. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mar 21, 2017 23:13
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Phone posted:If you don't think it's going to be the dumbest thing you've ever seen, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. The movie will probably be bad. However, it's not going to be bad because, at some point, the director sketched out a bare bones outline, and then someone else put that in a making of book.
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Mar 21, 2017 23:34
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Mithaldu posted:For comparison: It's really the little things that set it apart. The way the animation makes the water ripples beautiful and peaceful seeming, coupled with the slow music. It's the way the attacks are sort of impressionistic. The way the completely bland big city is contrasted with the lively but dilapidated alley.
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Mar 22, 2017 12:13
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Mithaldu posted:Absolutely that. There's also the disconnect between his face/voice being that of a garbage truck driver and his moves being that of a trained assassin, which ties in nicely to the film's themes of the increasingly fluid nature of identity.
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): The acting on the hacked dude. In the animation he shows relief when he thinks he's escaped, and there's a distinct pause of silence, then a grunt of surprise when her steps break it. In the live action version the dude never shows any change of emotion.
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Thisis one of those perfect, bullshit, self justifying catch 22s. Non-white leads aren't pushed, so they don't exist, so they can't be given the big roles because that's a risk, so can't prove themselves, so they aren't pushed, and so on. Meanwhile, we have to keep pretending that every Jai Courteny, Chris Pratt, Sam Worthington or Joel Kinnaman is going to be the next thing unless it's exhaustively demonstrated that they're not. Studios have no goddamn problem taking a risk on guys like that, even as it keeps failing to pay off. poo poo, I am a tall white guy and I'm sick of it.
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/\ /\ /\ /\ Or a guy from neighbours to play Thor, or a guy from alcoholism to become Marvel's biggest star.Irony Be My Shield posted:For a movie like this they don't want "the next big star", they want an already big star who can sell a niche property to a wider audience. It's a mostly naked cyborg woman doing gun karate in the future to other robots. That's not niche, that's a blockbuster unless you gently caress it up.
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Bugblatter posted:And it was a far cheaper film. Bugblatter posted:And yes it had to be $100m+. Your example of Thor was 150m and they set it mostly on location in a small town to save money. What do you think a big cyberpunk action film costs? They couldn't do Dredd in SA on a single soundstage for under $100m. Also, they actually did Dredd not just on a soundstage for a lot less than 100 million. In fact, literally less than half that. You probably could have picked a better example. EDIT: I had a look at a few other cyberpunk movies and their budgets: The Matrix was 63 million, Johnny Mnemonic was done for 26, and the Terminator was done for the spare change in Gale Ann Hurd's couch. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Young Freud posted:I will temper that it was the '90s ('80s for The Terminator), but even if you adjusted those figures for inflation, they'd still be less than $100 million in 2017 USD. I found an inflation calculator, The Terminator would have cost just over 15 million, The Matrix would have cost 92 million, and Johnny Mnemonic would have cost either 41 million or 63 (there are two numbers for its budget) poo poo, even Judge Dredd, Stallone's one, would have cost 143 million.
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Bugblatter posted:None of those have the production values that this film is showing off. I mean I love them and their style of imagery could absolutely have fit GitS, but the film shown in the trailers could not have been done cheap. You're comparing South African and Vancouver location shoots and a small soundstage film to a Hong Kong location shoot with large scale soundstage sets and extensive props and costuming. You think it's more expensive to shoot in Hong Kong than Vancouver? Also, everything we've seen has been in a mid-sized room. If they've got massive soundstages, they're hiding it well. Not to mention that it looks cheap as poo poo.
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Bugblatter posted:I know Vancouver is cheaper. They have significant cost saving incentives for film production, which is why a large volume of mid-budget television and film shoots go there (though Atlanta is overtaking them these days). Shooting on HK's island, by contrast, is extremely expensive. Mithaldu posted:Do you mean "achievable with little money" or "lacking taste"? A blend of the two. For 200 million dollars, every shot should be 'holy poo poo' yet not a single shot in the trailer had that effect on me.
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Bugblatter posted:Nothing in the world looks like Hong Kong. Chongqing has the verticality and density from a distance, but not the texture and the mix of cluttered but clean when in close (and Chongqing wouldn't be a realistic filming location). I don't know where else you would get those street shots or cityscape plates. It just is a cyberpunk city, but in reality. Bugblatter posted:I'd argue every shot is gorgeous and I thought that was the standard consensus (Pretty much every article states something along the lines of "it looks dumb but man is it pretty") Pick one in particular. quote:At any rate, those sets do not look like cheap constructions. They also don't look like 200 million dollars worth of sets.
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Bugblatter posted:If you've been to HK you'll recognize Soho, Causeway Bay, and the Montane Mansion at least. And they aren't super touched up, aside from the holograms? quote:Jesus, that's asinine. Perhaps you could pick a non touched up shot of Hong Kong? I haven't been, so I can't pick them out.
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I had money on 'forgettable' Does that count?
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Bugblatter posted:Well, no it couldn't, it's not that far removed. You can't recreate the iconic sequences in this detail and not have a lawsuit. So, they could have made their own movie, but they would have had to come up with their own action set pieces rather than recreating them, but somehow doing them worse. You're not making a very good case for the idea that this needed to be GITS movie.
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Mar 29, 2017 06:34
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Josh Lyman posted:I guess I could take one for the team and attend a screening at a small art cinema theater tonight. Please get a picture of the art cinema's ticket seller when you ask for the ticket.
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Mithaldu posted:Battleship was dumb as hell and pretty as hell, kinda like a kojima movie where all the writing went into nice art. Kojima's writing doesn't go into the nice art, it goes into 72 hours of exposition.
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frank.club posted:This movie is sub-Daredevil Woah, let's not say things we can't take back. frank.club posted:I'd like to know the perspective on people who liked the action in this film, im not saying you're wrong for enjoying it. I personally found action scenes to be really unfulfilling. But did I miss something? I kinda figured going in that this movie would just go for cyberpunk John Wick but- It was weird to see the trailers with all the hyper-stylised action. The moment for that seemed to have passed in about 2003 or 4.
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General Dog posted:I enjoyed the guys who played Batou and the Section 9 chief whoever he was. That's Takeshi Kitano, who's a freakishly multi-talented dude. Has directed a whole bunch of really enjoyable and weird movies. Look into him. His remake of Zatoichi was excellent.
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Junior Jr. posted:Wow, I didn't expect it would make a poor opening weekend, that's really got to hurt sales if it can't even make it past the $20M mark. 20 million is about what the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy movie did 12 years ago. If you don't remember that movie, that's currently the most notable thing about it.
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Apr 2, 2017 23:44
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Junior Jr. posted:Whereas Batman Begins made over $48M on its weekend, the first Chronicles of Narnia film made $65M, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and even the first Fantastic Four film both made $56M on their opening weekends respectively in the same year. Those numbers seem solid for those adaptations. That its numbers are really not good, seeing as I brought up a completely forgotten film that cost a lot less to make. I'm surprised that I'm having to explain that.
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dont even fink about it posted:To draw comparisons, this feels like the Godzilla 2000 of the Ghost in the Shell franchise. Collectively, the production makes clear that it understands that people like Ghost in the Shell, but can't demonstrate that it knows why. We get simple answers to complex questions and a stupid ending wrapped in a bow. “We cling to our memories as if they define us, but what we do defines us," says a person whose every waking moment is haunted and driven by memory, speaking as if this is high-concept, daring stuff. Every iconic Ghost in the Shell™ Thing is rammed sideways into the script. The only time this movie goes its own way to say its own thing is to reduce the concept to easily digestible pablum. The funniest action bit was her wall running around a man with a gun, while the overhead shot reveals that the man had tracked her pefectly as she did so, and had not fired purely out of politeness.
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Echo Chamber posted:I'm not white. And I'm real. I am a tall, straight, white man, and even I'm loving sick of pretending that Sam Worthington/Joel Kinnamon/Jai Courteny/Any of the Chris' and or Hemsworths are going to matter in two years, or are anything other than completely interchangeable.
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