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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Mulaney Power Move posted:

wrong. klingons love flavor. flavor is for warriors. you don't eat poo poo if you don't like strong flavor.

Got me there, I am no klingon.

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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Brawnfire posted:

Hundreds of years from now we're joining a galactic federation, and some ambassador notes that all human ships have the same vocal interface.

"Oh yeah... We kind of... Fantasized about this poo poo and this lady's voice was a computer and it... sorta stuck."

"I... See."

Being able to design something that cannot be done is a clear indication of capability to imagination and abstract thought, so that should go to the "allow into the galactic federation"-column.

However, most of the other poo poo we do will go to the "do not allow, and quarantine these chucklefucks like Talos IV because they are danger to everyone around them".

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Gatts posted:

This is correct. One of the great villains of Sci Fi and 80s/90s movies is Jellico, the man who was the right kind of rear end in a top hat to make the Enterprise D better and put Troi in a uniform.

I like over time people came around to him

It also served as reminder for Patrick Steward that yes, we are now on season 6 but you still are not irreplaceable.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Applewhite posted:

Star Trek to introduce Section 31 Spinoff

Vatican to introduce Satanic Mass

Just do the Terran Empire spinoff you cowards.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Also, every time that redheaded ensign takes the helm everything goes immediately to poo poo because she needs to be written as a complete opposite of Burnham.


^^^^^^ Isn't that usually from captain to small-scale admiral, to put that person into some at home office building overseeing strategic reserves for office supplies and tea cupboards, instead of getting lost in the Pacific or invading the wrong island?

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jul 21, 2021

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Cage Kicker posted:

Once they realized that Burnham was in fact the worst Starfleet officer of all time, they immediately began her fast track to Admiral

Well, her career includes at least one mutiny, war trial and being saved from a life-sentence by a Terran infiltrator, a couple of disregards of direct order, who knows how many violations of temporal accords, several attacks against non-aligned world's diplomatic envoys etc... They should have made someone else the captain and keep her on the civilian track and become something akin to "mission specialist" which corresponds to a captain but isn't.

She clearly has no respect for the command chain, nor towards the crew of her ship, but because of her plot shield she always ends up being right.

So when Disco 4 fraps up she will be a rear admiral in charge of endangered wildlife, national parks and recreational planets, so that she can flunk off with her not-boyfriend to save the hypnotoads. And decide how to fill up that large hole where Book fell twice on a Arcturus 4, and next to Tilly's family farm to make it an recreational area.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

FlamingLiberal posted:

Disco has had exactly one good captain and his name is Christopher Pike

Yes; Saru has all the good intentions but he is over his capabilities and is unable to see the big picture, Tilly just does not cut it (she basically handed over the Discovery by not jumping away to somewhere safe in the S3 ender to hide) and Burnham is a loose cannon who would gently caress up if she wasn't protected by the narrative.

EDIT: Why Tilly did not just black alert and jump away to some nearby place is really stupid; they had the coordinates, and the Emerald Chain flag poo poo could just pursued them, or get hosed by trying to enter the nebula.

Jump back when the flagship reaches them at the nearby place, rescue the crew and jump the gently caress away. This way, none of the finale stuff inside the Fed would have happened, that Orion vessel would have killed itself by going to investigate the Nebula, and the people stranded there would have been none-the-wiser. Trying to apprehend that kelpien who was semi-connected to the dilithium would have killed the Orion ship anyway if they ever reached the far end.

And federation already knew the place, so why not send a strong fleet along with the joined vulcanremulan fleet to kill that stupid fucker.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jul 22, 2021

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Powered Descent posted:

The way I've been reconciling the big obvious "Space CIA" of Disco and the underground conspiracy of DS9 is that sometime after Disco took place, Section 31 was officially abolished, and there stopped being special S31 bases and starships and badges. It either continued from that time in a much smaller, completely unofficial capacity, or at some point a new conspiracy sprung up and took the name of the old organization.

I also understood it this way; Control probably killed 95% of its personnel and the rest of the undercover agents just assumed their cover as their new identity, some enablers just disappeared and most of their fleet personnel died. The rest were rolled into the official Starfleet Intelligence. Its actually interesting to see where they want to go with the new S31-series, since they probably do not want to gently caress up the TNG/DS9 lore too much with retcons.

Personally I still think that if they wanted to keep Michelle Yeoh on their payroll they should have just done the Terran Empire spinoff. Disco already did what, 6 Terran empire-episodes and two story lines? Put together 5-6 episode miniseries with two stories, one backstory, and one after Georgiou goes back and retakes her throne, and you'll have a full "season". Explore all the evil implications of Star Trek and its technology there, its a war crime sandbox universe anyway.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008


Citation hoped. :D

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

CBS also painted itself into a corner with the Disco 3 by saying that "regardless of what anyone does, the Starfleet collapses in few centuries".

Unless they give Disco3+ the ST:TAS treatment and say that "after the timejump it became the Burnham timeline and gently caress that, unless we specifically refer to it somewhere".

They have what, 5 shows now in development and all of them go towards the "does not matter, dilithium stops working, ships get trashed, and federation basically ceases to exist".

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

FlamingLiberal posted:

Picard S1 is in 2399 and Disco S3 is in 3189 or something like that. There's plenty of distance where we at least don't have to think about the dumb decisions they made in terms of what happens to the Federation later on.

They made it pretty clear in a very heavy-handed way that all other options will lead to the sentient life losing that war against the AI, so the only solution was to take the 100000 years of AI data to the future, and we get what Disco3 showed us.

So unless they do timeline splitting, or a full retcon of Disco S3 onwards, that is where they will inevitably end up to. Pike also knows that he will become invalid, and we know that he does absolutely nothing (or was it that he cannot do anything) to prevent that from happening, since taking the time crystal solidifies that part of the timeline.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

S05E06 - Trials-And-Tribbleations

If you are about to watch this one, definitely see the S02E15 - Trouble with Tribbles from the Original series before this one.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

In the mirror universe Kelpians were and remained the apex predators of their planet, but as they taste like lobsters but better, the Empire made them a special dish for the elite, while also keeping the rest of them as handy dogsbodies. You gently caress up, you are served as a dinner, you show obedience, you get to live in a relatively nice place as long as you do as you are told, something akin to dogs.

I think that fits the theme?

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Powered Descent posted:

The Federation clearly has the resources to build very nice hardware; there's no need for them to do like Cuba keeping all their old 1950s Yank Tanks going through sheer engineering creativity.

I think that by the TNG the tech curve of the known galaxy had stagnated to slow to moderate advancements; Even the most modern top-of-the-line Starfleet ships keep getting knocked around by whatever, even ancient, weapon systems that happen to be around if they were made by someone sufficiently advanced to begin with, and while Discovery was outclassed its ability to dish out damage wasn't completely trivialized in the first episodes of S3. In less dramatic case, the then-60+ year old Excelsiors were still in service when the Dominion war happened. The important part is to have the weapon beam emitter and sufficient power source to keep it firing, and "more power is more firepower".

Except when it isn't; that's why the Borg were such a huge threat.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Wouldn't be the first sci-fi franchise to say that the other species are a bit... worried in a situation where humans have to get creative and killing stuff is involved.

"I heard those crazy mammals started to use nuclear weapons on their only ecosystem over 100 years before they were even able to reliably leave the place for their first colonies". "...So maybe lets not go there then?"

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Isn't catching, vaporizing or redirecting such debris and particles the actual purpose of the deflector dish?

When it is not used to solve the problem of the week by recalibrating it to do some space magic.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Tunicate posted:

In order to rotate it properly you'd need to have the center of mass to be located in the middle. So the big pile of munched up ship components would have to be pretty symmetrical. If nothing else, a threefold symmetry around the x, y, and z axes. So basically picture a huge irregular, greebly cube...

Also, give everyone vizor and maybe some assisting implants so that they get instant feedback from stuff, there are so many different systems involved they cannot remember the small details of every separate one... maybe even let them sleep on cryo/biobeds so that the areas can be compartmentalized and no separate barracks/hospitals are neeeded, replicate food paste directly to stomach and poo poo back to recycling tanks to cut out plumbing and toilets...

Its actually a miracle how little borg-style stuff the starfleet ends up doing to itself.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Mrs. Dash posted:

Starfleet Command games were all fun although 3 was really dumbed down

If you liked SFC games there is a good chance you will also like the Star Trek Online. It is basically SFC 4 married to KOTOR and it is free to play.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Mrs. Dash posted:

I tired to get into it but it felt even more simplified than SFC3. Maybe it plays different at high levels. I started through the first few missions of the klingon campaign and got bored after the star trek novelty wore off.

Yeah, you'd need to get to somewhere around lvl 30 before you can realistically start to choose what you want to do, more than 80% of the content is designed for maxleveled captains to get better stuff for their ships or ground crew. Or grind for a new ship. This includes several of the current episodes, since you should hit level gap around 2/3 of the federation "campaign".

Basically the leveling system at this point is a glorified tutorial, and the last completely new thing that unlocks is the admirality system for managing your own personal fleet, which opens at 50 or so. However, unlike other MMORPGs this takes about a week per character, not two months and some races like Jem'hadar start near the level gap to begin with.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

MikeJF posted:

Hell, just toss a Cali in the background somewhere.

The season 2 model's detailed enough you could just give it a retexture and it'd hold up at medium distance in a realistic show.

Drop the cell shading, put in a bump map for slightly dented metal, medium distance, low light with short enough cut and no-one suspects anything.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

chaosbreather posted:

The Orville isn’t Star Trek, obviously. It’s moulded after the good bits people like in Star Trek.

Orville is one entertainment company takeover away from becoming an alternative timeline/dimension to the rest of the Star Trek shows.

EDIT: The Mouse probably already has access to some TNG assets because of the Xmen/TNG crossover comics.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 14, 2021

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

I just started to actually watch Enterprise from S1 since earlier I have only seen episodes here and there.

On the first 10 or so episodes yeah, "Americans going to business trip to EU and Asia" is actually quite close. :D

...Although I still find it a bit stupid plot hole that in the episode "Dear Doctor" the Valakians are desperate for Humans to give them warp-capable ship to find more help. They had already met the Ferengi, why didn't they sell them some POS warp 3 trash hauler for mining rights?

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Well, besides the other sentient race being very suitable for staffing mining colonies and stuff like that. But that is very grimdark stuff so it didn't fly at that time. Disco probably makes setting up a slave mining colony an episode. It is done for a Reason.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Powered Descent posted:

I guess the Vulcan Hello worked extremely well then

Yes, and judging by the Lower Decks and Enterprise, the Vulcan Fleet before and even with the Starfleet clowns them in combat. And Vulcans aren't even doing that as a priority.

So yeah, go yell your obscenities to someone else's backyard your miserable luj'nuv or we will slap you.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

I am watching Enterprise for thefirst time and it is apparent that Braga or Brennan likes Asian. On almost every episode so far which involves Hoshi in a major role, she had been practically or literally naked at some point.

Also, they really liked recycling scripts; during the 30-so episodes there had been an embarassing amount of "Someone, usually Archer gets captured" or "Enterprise is taken over" episodes. Hell, they even did "Trip gets marooned" and "all but one crewmember is incapacitated" twice in the first 30 episodes.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

... And at least four ENT episodes are basically remixes of earlier ones, either TNG or DS9. I think that on the first one and half seasons there are less than 15 episodes which are not rehashes or repeats with an obvious plot twists.


The automated space station episode was cool though.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Oct 27, 2021

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

CainFortea posted:

Every major character ends up mostly naked at some point for the decon gel

Yeah, but in addition of that Hoshi does that handbra thing in S1, and takes an actual shower in the S2 transporter episode.

It also seems that Starfleet survival guide also tells you to take your clothes off, avoid shade, and sunbathe while walking across the desert during daytime.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Kibayasu posted:

Other recent shows has me thinking, maybe the good Star Trek was always for kids? :thunk:

Don't know about being for kids, but IMHO Star Trek tends to get better when it eases off on the grimdark "everything goes from bad to worse all the time"-attitude that seems pervasive to every new TV-show since 90's. Especially on the prestige shows that Star Trek before LDS always was.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Still going through my first full watch of the Enterprise and hit the episode Horizon.

The dude playing Mayweather ...isn't that great as an episode lead. I have seen more convincing performances on porn flicks than what that was.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HD DAD posted:

Honestly just give Robert Picardo free reign to do whatever the gently caress he wants.

Picardo leading the Picard(o) S4 as EMH would be a curve ball.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Drone posted:

This is so good.

That freaking guy... and to think of that "old SA" Star Trek thread guys in TVIV used to have a goon who managed to become a mortal enemy of that man. :D

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Kibayasu posted:

A backhanded compliment at a convention meeting table as I recall. Basically what they should have said was "The Doctor was my favorite character on Voyager and you're a fantastic actor, thank you" but instead what they said was something like "The Doctor was my favorite character and that's because you were the only good actor on Voyager." Turns out that when you spend 7 years on a TV show with other people they generally become your friends and some random person saying those friends are poo poo compared to you isn't actually as good as a compliment as it sounds. And then they took a picture of Picardo staring daggers at them I think?

Yeah, the first at the meet and greet, and the second one where Picardo picked that goon from the line and gave that same stare. Those pictures were more than an year apart IIRC.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

...And the entire Voyager is a masterclass in acting compared to the main ensemble cast of the Enterprise.

Checking out their IMBD resume's, there isn't that much for anyone else besides Scott Bacula who was a major TV star before, and was able to keep being one afterwards.

EDIT: My biggest surprise was that the actress playing T'Pol basically decided to can it.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Nov 15, 2021

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Almost done with the S2 of Enterprise. I know the show picks up speed in S3 and S4, but still.

So far I have counted 11 episodes where the plot is "Archer and/or some else is taken hostage and needs rescue", there is three of them in a row in S2
5 episodes that are basically "something happens to shuttle and some people are marooned", there are three of these within 5 episodes in S2
7 episodes of "Enterprise is taken over by someone".

Not exactly original stuff, half of the episodes are one of these formulas, and that's even not counting the episodes that are remakes of earlier Star Trek series episodes, or compressed versions of classic films like the episode Marauders is for the Seven Samurais.

The one episode left for me is the season cliffhanger which I believe kicks in the "better part of the series". At least it cannot get any worse from here, right?

So far the best episode was the one where the three Vulcans were stranded on Earth in 1960's, and the Progenitor had an interesting story but it was terribly hamfisted and preachy as an episode.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Nov 18, 2021

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HD DAD posted:

:stare: “Doc, your wife keeps trying to gently caress me!”

:pervert: “And you didn’t?”

Phlox also seems to be very keen to show his porn collection to anyone even remotely interested.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

naem posted:

I will say that on enterprise they made the actors strip down to their underpants just as often as the female cast members, they even comment on it like “well here we all are in our skivvies again”

The most unnecessarily cheescakiest shots have all been Hoshi, at least have so far been. (The handbra, getting naked and going to shower to start noticing she is becoming transparent, that Risa episode where she got some)

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

So if I understand this correctly, the moment Disco became an "adequate/good show" it went to an ultra-premium place where nobody outside USA are able to watch it, even if that Paramount+ already exists in their region?

That is a "pirate this poo poo"-call sign if I have ever seen one. :D

EDIT: I paid for the service when it was still in, give me that ****ing Short Treks S2

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Shinjobi posted:

I.....want a star trek hockey jersey

Oh thank god I thought I was the only one.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

tango alpha delta posted:

holy poo poo, Patrick Stewart sounds so loving frail, like a strong wind will shatter his ancient skeleton.

Yeah, IMHO they waited for too long to do that show. If I remember right they were tossing around the idea of doing follow-up show on TNG&VOY&DS9 something like 10 years ago when the Kelvin movies were successes.

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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

I have to do enough of the dull intercity-commutes by car regularly, I'd actually buy that one.

Especially if they go all they way with the old school style with that poo poo and instead of audio books go for the 30's -style *radio theater*.

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