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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/809771495975174144

Tulsi 2020!!!!!

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Aurubin posted:

I really hope Obama quietly fades into obscurity and the Dems stip listening to him when it comes to the direction the party needs to in, but hey, one last parting gently caress you from the dude I suppose.

https://twitter.com/JAMyerson/status/810198983704506368

I'm sorry, I though clearing the field of challengers for a coronation because It's His Turn was supposed to be bad now???

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

etalian posted:

Guy who did nothing to go after Wall Street crooks, wants to block progressives from positions of power?

He was never really in a position to "go after" Wall St. (he was doing voting rights at DoJ) but did implement the Fiduciary rule at DoL (Wall St. can't intentionally gently caress over its retirement clients) and the overtime rules

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Aurubin posted:

It is bad. You're right. Smug but right. The problem is Perez has no appreciable electoral experience and is in the race solely because Obama wants him to be. After Tim Kaine and DWS, I'd rather not see anyone from the Obama camp in the running.

Yeah I'm fine with the symbolic break from Obama (although keep in mind that y'all are doing to him what y'all love to claim Gore did to Clinton: try to run away from a popular ex-president), but I also don't think Ellison winning a single House seat really sets the groundwork for a 3000-odd county organization

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Der Meister posted:

both of which will be unilaterally deleted on january 20

Guess both parties were the same the whole time :shrug:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Der Meister posted:

hey whiksey what does ron paul have to say about this, i haven't gotten his newest newsletter yet

Cool post from 2004, bro

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Perez represents all of the outwardly inoffensive yet deeply cynical politics that the Democratic party should be turning away from. Plus he looks like a corpse.

I'm sorry that you're supporting Chuck Schumer's chosen candidate instead of a true friend to organized labor

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

comedyblissoption posted:

the SEC is an extension of the executive branch. the SEC chose to go after settlements where the financial institutions did not have to admit fault. in some of these settlements, judges wondered aloud why criminal charges were not sought for the alleged fraudulent behavior.

obama put goldman sachs alumni in his cabinet, was electorally funded heavily by wall st, bent over backwards to bail out wall st, did essentially nothing to help homeowners during the foreclosure crisis scandal, pushed quantitative easing which was the biggest gently caress you wall st trickle down, and did not seek criminal indictments for fraudulent behavior

obama was the wall st president hth please dont try to be an absurd liberal revisionist just b/c he's charismatic

Not sure what this has to do with Perez, chief

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

GlyphGryph posted:

Did these guys at least have the decency to put out a ballot saying "Perez / no one / do not endorse" or was this just a leadership decision?

You asking the same question but about AFL-CIO and Ellison?

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

why do you not want him to do the job he's really good at, namely lawyering

I do, actually, which is one of the reasons why I support Ellison

But there sure are some Bad Posts itt and Perez is, generally, Cool and Good

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Oh Snapple! posted:

people would likely be less annoyed over perez if there was any indication he was running because he himself thought he was the best person for the job and not because obama's camp convinced him to out of a last-ditch effort to maintain a stranglehold over the party.

Yeah I mentioned that earlier too

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

new phone who dis posted:

Maybe if you cast a wide enough net to win an election you can do something about it instead of having literal Disney villains in charge.

Hillary 2016!

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Zikan posted:

dnc chair race update: tom perez gets endorsements of United Farm Workers and United Food and Commercial Workers International Union

probable neoliberals

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

I choose death

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Just think if we get to work today making a third party to replace the Democrats, we might be done by the time we're all dead from old age

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
The DSA is probably close to what the left's gonna get as a tea party analogue

Too bad they got a six year head start

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
How anyone can say, in December 2016, that centrist Democrats are the more pressing problem than Republicans just boggles the mind

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

etalian posted:

LBJ passed medicare, Savior Obama passed a healthcare plan that subsidized the same insurance and big pharma people causing the healthcare cost problem.

Actually providers are causing the cost problem

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ace of Baes posted:

I hope one of Keith's first acts as DNC Chair is to force the state parties to make all primaries completely open.

somewhat ironic that peopleare like pro-open primaries while extolling the DSA, which is so closed that you get kicked out for wrongthink (which is a good thing)

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

GlyphGryph posted:

I don't support "open" primaries, but I do support "register as you enter" style primaries.

I mean you don't even register as a member of the party with the party itself but rather with the state. Weird system we got.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

anime was right posted:

when i grew up my dad would take me to the diner and he'd just order a coffee and toast. it cost like 2 bucks but the toast was always pretty good and we'd just chill there for four hours while he read the paper and i played gameboy, because there was nothing else he could afford. now i eat diner toast not because its particularly good but because i grew up in a lovely envornment where that was considered ritzy and exciting for my dad who was an assistant manager at a completely different diner.

there's a non-chain diner by my house and no poo poo their toast is like the best thing they have and I'd almost go there and just order toast if I could

whatever fake butter they use is just amazing

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Waffle Trap House

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Never

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Posting

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Concerned Citizen posted:

i think it is true that the democratic party's professional class is very heavily dominated by 20 to 30-somethings from an urban area on the coast.

not sure that this is true: definitely 20 to 30-somethings in an urban area on the coast, but like the thing about DC is is that a whole lot of kids come here from not-DC.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Guy Goodbody posted:

I was assured that the Clinton Foundation is a real charity and not just a way for rich people to curry favor with the future First Female President.

So that article has to be some of that Fake News I've been hearing about

Indeed, "it looks like no one is donating now" was, in fact, fake news

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Hillary lost primarily because of issues which are personal to herself as an individual (EMAILS) as opposed to any policy issue

While Bernie would have won, so too would have Biden

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo


Ace of Baes posted:

Because Hillary lost by such a small margin (against the second worst candidate of all time) you can blame the %1 difference on anything, a better question is what caused her to get to the point where she was neck and neck with the racist reality TV star who insults dead war heros parents, and the answer isn't "emails".

Pretty sure it's her personal negatives as opposed to neoliberalism or whatever, given the respective fav./unfav. numbers for her vs. Was Actually President For The Last Eight Years Barack Obama

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Like I don't see how you lay Clinton's unpopularity on neoliberalism when Obama, harbinger of neoliberalism who is actually in office and therefore actually caused whatever's going on, is popular

Something more than that is going on, and it's likely that it was something about her personally as opposed to any sort of policy considerations

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Error 404 posted:

No, Obama sucked pretty hard too, and just as now criticism was brushed off.

His human suit just fits better.

Obama was +15 on Election Day, Clinton -15

30 points is a huge swing of policy is at all relevant to a candidate running for Obamas third term

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

anime was right posted:

hmm, we could win reelection by actually implementing things that people like and then pointing to that....... or just do the opposite of that and lose

lets lose.

actually obama won in 2012

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/816283238511611904

p hosed up that woke internet is fighting for Chuck Schumer and Matt Yglesias's preferred candidate for DNC chair instead of Friend Of Labor Tom Perez

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/NBCNewYork/status/816306517318189056

:chloe:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/816477177747296256

:lol:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
actually welfare liberalism as exemplified by Bernie is bad because it's just gonna be coopted by neoliberalism 2.0 when capital responds to Trump's trade wars by giving the poors free healthcare and school while still pocketing rents while keeping wages at 1970s levels.

at least everyone knew that there was space to the left of Hillary

socialism is the only answer

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/817102411223269376

DNC chair should be someone who can work with the state parties that still remember how to speak to white working class people instead of someone feted by coastal elites like shuck Schumer

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/817094047252652032

Actually, I support butt stuff

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Main Paineframe posted:

in the fight for FL state DNC chair, our revolution and a number of other progressive groups backed Dwight Bullard, a teacher who was pro-BLM, pro-Palestine, had supported Sanders, and served in the FL state legislature for eight years, winning tough primary fights every time

Ellison, on the other hand, endorsed Steve Bittel, a billionaire real estate developer who was one of the Dems' biggest megadonors in Florida, had close ties to the DNC, and is loathed by FL progressives who consider him to be a walking avatar of corruption and shady political money

Fun fact: the Harrier shoot-out scene in True Lies was filmed in a building Bittel owned

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
meanwhile, National Nurses United continues to be complete loving idiots

quote:

As Washington grapples with health care policy again, the head of the 185,000-member National Nurses United is turning her attention to a seemingly unlikely advocate for a single-payer system. "The one I’m counting on the most is Trump,” RoseAnn DeMoro said,

DeMoro, who serves as executive director of both the Oakland-based National Nurses United and the California Nurses Association, told POLITICO California on Thursday that she is “disgusted” with Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and believes that the president-elect may actually get action.

“He’s a businessman, he has an international perspective — and his wife comes from a country where they have single payer,’’ said DeMoro, who also is an AFL-CIO national vice president and executive board member. “I think that Donald Trump is not about either party; he’s about something very different. He’s the one who can actually rise above this and do what’s right, and he knows as a businessman, it’s the most cost effective,’’ she said.

And, she noted, Trump already has signaled to GOP party leaders that he’s willing to buck them on issues like ethics and the TransPacific Partnership.

“He’s not like these progressive yo-yos who pop off while people are dying,’’ she said, adding that when it comes to single payer health care, “I hope that he has the courage to enact what’s right.”

DeMoro says she knows her words may outrage Democrats, but she argues the party officials have been ineffective in offering a strong counterpoint to GOP efforts to roll back the Affordable Care Act.

It's one reason she’s working with Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and scores of progressive groups for a national event on Jan. 15 in which they’ll make the case across the country for “Medicare for All.”

Her words come a day after Sanders took a starring role on Capitol Hill in reminding the GOP Congress — which has cited Obamacare repeal as its first priority — that Trump promised not to cut Medicare or Social Security.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told POLITICO’s Jake Sherman this week that his party will fight Republicans hard on Obamacare rollback, saying that repeal will "make America sick again."

"Our message is not just on Obamacare. Our message is don’t cut health care," Schumer said. "Medicare. Medicaid. Obamacare."

DeMoro says that while Democrats like Schumer and Pelosi continue to pound Trump, they have abandoned the possibility of a single-payer system as a means of meeting the needs of working class Americans. And that's why, she says, it would be "the greatest embarrassment to both of those parties" if Trump achieved single-payer. “I would love to see that one,'' she said.

“People say he agrees with the last person he listens to,’’ DeMoro said of Trump. On the issue of health care, she said, “I’m hoping I’m the last person he listens to.”

National Nurses United has taken a central role in the health care debate on Capitol Hill, leading a coalition of progressive groups that have delivered a million signatures on petitions to lawmakers urging them to save Social Security and Medicare against threatened GOP cuts and to stand against the privatization of Medicare.

Under DeMoro's leadership, the National Nurses United has become increasingly active on the political front, and was the first major labor union to endorse Sanders in the 2016 election. The union raised more than $4.8 million in donations for a committee that supported his campaign.

In the 2018 governor’s race, the California Nurses Association already has endorsed Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom. As mayor of San Francisco in 2007 , Newsom launched Healthy San Francisco, a health care plan available to all city residents regardless of their immigration status, employment status or pre-existing conditions.

Last July, Newsom joined DeMoro in issuing a joint public call to the Democratic Party platform committee to endorse “Medicare for All” in the party platform.

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
bernie would have won the battle but lost the war

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