Captain Baal posted:

Bring back Caroline

Clarste posted:

Yes, change won't happen that easily, but you also just killed a giant god that was specifically standing in the way of that change, so it should happen more easily at least. Also, Sae doesn't leave because she's disgusted by corruption. Or at least I certainly don't recall her saying anything like that. She just decided that she could do more good on the other side of the court. Note that this is immediately after she successfully charges Shido for his crimes, indicating that the prosecution is still a necessary force for good. Like, literally your entire plan as the Phantom Thieves was to get the villains arrested and tried in court with a confession, so it's not like you don't trust the system at all.

Clarste posted:

I thought that was obvious.

SyntheticPolygon posted:

I don't think that's controversial.

Clarste posted:

It's implied that she worked extremely hard to prosecute Shido and still only managed to nail him for the most minor of his crimes (bribery, etc). Because the evidence of the metaverse and all that simply didn't exist. It certainly wasn't "impossible not to" get him. A confession is meaningless if you can't show the court how it was even possible. Causality, which she mentions several times.

Joker was sent to jail for breaking the terms of his probation, and was freed when it was proven that he never did the thing that put him on probation in the first place. The idea being that even if he saved society from Shido, that doesn't earn him a free get-out-of-jail card, nor should it. In other words, that wasn't an example of injustice, it was an example of the system working exactly as it was supposed to. As Sae herself puts it, they live in a society governed by law, and that's supposed to be a good thing. People have abused the law to their own ends, and that's bad, but they should be punished for that within the law. That's her perspective even right up to the very end. Frankly, her whole arc is about her regaining a belief in justice, not giving up on it.

CharlestonJew posted:

Ryuji is cool but there were parts of the game I wanted to pin him against the wall and kiss him tell him to STFU about Phantom Thieves stuff in public

Metallia posted:

Persona 5 is just Chaos Route Lite

Akira Kurusu will be spared when Demi-Fiend destroys his reality

Sacrificial Toast posted:

He moves to Akihabara after you unlock that location. It's a bit out of the way on the map, so maybe you didn't see it? The only other reason would be that you didn't do enough missions in Mementos.

Harrow posted:

Could be. I thought the final battle version of "Burn My Dread" actually did a great job of selling that, though--it's tense and heroic at the same time, it's utterly perfect for that final fight. I think they could pull off something that fits with the game's musical style but also sells the "holy poo poo we're fighting the closest thing our universe probably has to a god" thing.

I should also note that I thought the final battle theme for Persona 4 was good even if it dropped the game's main musical style, but that's specifically because it has fully seven minutes of nothing but dread and foreboding strings and percussion leading up to a really triumphant orchestral version of "Reach Out to the Truth" and that sold the whole thing for me. Maybe if Persona 5's final boss theme had somehow incorporated "Life Will Change" or something I'd be more positive because I'm a sucker for recurring musical motifs.

Moltrey posted:

I have no idea how true it was, but there was always that quote going around that said that YHVH being such a ruthless, crushing entity was symptomatic of some bigger problem in the universe

NRVNQSR posted:

I much preferred the approach of being Akechi's only friend because it made the joy of eventually stabbing him in the back all the sweeter.

Moltrey posted:

akechi was, is, and will be a sweet child of god

ROFL Octopus posted:

The sixth palace exists and that's the theme that stuck with you?

Terper posted:

ajkalan posted:

I thought final Shido form looked more like a Dragon Ball guy than Armstrong, personally.

Saint Freak posted:

He's supposed to be the most beautiful right? But all the other angels are loving freaks made of wheels and eyes and leftover parts so really the bar to get over is quite low.

Moltrey posted:

this is fine

Lakbay posted:

Someone in this thread or the other said that your Shadow self is an exaggeration and that if the villains met their shadow selves they would disagree with them. Shido would totally high five the poo poo out of his shadow self

Harrow posted:

I kinda think it still works, maybe even for Kamoshida. I think if he saw the way his Shadow was talking and acting even he'd think it was over the top. Then again, maybe he'd just be jealous of his Shadow's personal bikini Ann, I dunno.

But also after Madarame, the only Shadow who transforms into something truly monstrous is Shadow Sae who, like Moltrey pointed out, is something that the real Sae would absolutely recoil from. Kaneshiro just gets bug eyes but his "big monster" form is just a giant piggy bank he pilots. Futaba's Shadow stays in human form all the way up until it pulls a Persona 4 and becomes her Persona. Okumura's Shadow isn't physically very distorted and, at the same time, is just a more honest version of how the real Okumura acts every day.

Lakbay posted:

Who DOESN'T like Yusuke?

Who genuinely likes Mishima?

Shogeton posted:

Trying to think of famous 'law enforcers' who ended up going rogue and joining thieves.

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

On further reflection I guess all the big food/party scenes are paid for by Treasure or other sources so w/e

Still doesn't change my main criticism of him though, which is that there's never any sense that the rest of the gang actually likes him. Like they let him into the group because he's a Phantom Thief and they tolerate his presence, but his relevance to the main plot disappears after Madarame and for the rest of the game he's just kind of there. He's just this weird aloof guy that the rest of the gang occasionally dunks on when he speaks because all he ever says is weird aloof poo poo. Everyone else seems like they could at least be friends outside of Phantom Thievery, but I'm not seeing it for him.

Endorph posted:

the most sincere goro is ever is when he says 'did i hear something about delicious pancakes'

Bogart posted:

The most sincere Goro ever gets is when he's like 'ahhh i'm dying the other me shot me ahhh' and then he dies.

Moltrey posted:

what the gently caress

Moltrey posted:

A neat thing I found while looking into our friend Yuuki Mishima, is that some believe he's a reference to author Yukio Mishima, who wrote a famous book, Confessions of a Mask. A book about an awkward, weak boy struggling to fit into Japanese society while discovering he's gay. I bring this up because the author almost has the exact same name as Mishima, the story is quite similar to Mishima's and the book has the word Mask in the title

Wikipedia posted:

Mishima was active as a nationalist and founded his own right-wing militia. He is remembered for his ritual suicide by seppuku after a failed coup d'état attempt, known as the "Mishima Incident".

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On November 25, 1970, Mishima and four members of the Tatenokai, under pretext, visited the commandant of the Ichigaya Camp, the Tokyo headquarters of the Eastern Command of Japan's Self-Defense Forces.[18] Inside, they barricaded the office and tied the commandant to his chair. With a prepared manifesto and a banner listing their demands, Mishima stepped onto the balcony to address the soldiers gathered below. His speech was intended to inspire a coup d'état to restore the power of the emperor. He succeeded only in irritating the soldiers, and was mocked and jeered. He finished his planned speech after a few minutes, returned to the commandant's office and committed seppuku. The assisting kaishakunin duty at the end of this ritual (to decapitate Mishima) had been assigned to Tatenokai member Masakatsu Morita, who was unable to properly perform the task. After several failed attempts at severing Mishima's head, he allowed another Tatenokai member, Hiroyasu Koga, to behead Mishima. Morita then knelt and stabbed himself in the abdomen and Koga again performed the kaishakunin duty. This coup is called "Mishima jiken" (三島事件?, "Mishima Incident") in Japan.