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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jose posted:

He was for some reason populae as London mayor and believes that's still true but also for everywhere else. He was kept away from campaigning up north because he's so unpopular here

The reason he was popular as London mayor was he carefully cultivated an as un-Tory public persona as possible.

The reason he decided (despite being previously passionately pro-EU) to head up the Leave campaign was he believed a) it would lose narrowly leading to a fracture in the party and b) would help erase the fact he was nice to foreigners from the collective memory of the Shires Brigade who hold the power in the party, positioning him perfectly as a challenger to Cameron.

Now he's championing hard Brexit because he believes that it won't happen and when we eventually dribble into some lovely EFTA-type deal that is the worst of all worlds (apart from for the money men of course) he'll be able to challenge May.

Basically this entire country is being flushed completely down the shithole so someone with the middle name "de Pfeffel" can get his hands on the nuclear launch codes.

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jazerus posted:

how does britain simultaneously have absurd libel laws and the scummiest press

Because it takes a shitload of money to use those absurd libel laws.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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nobody's more scared of Corbyn than that prick, given his entire business model is pretty much forcing people to pay him for the privilege of a zero hours contract.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Venom Snake posted:

Small brain: U.K.

Big brain: Scottish and Irish independence

Exploding brain: United Celtic Kingdoms

Galaxy Brain: reinstalling Scottish rule over all of Britannia

We had that from 1997 to 2010. I won't spoil the ending.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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bump_fn posted:

someone post the liberal crying jezza points to a bird 'nationalized' tweet pls

https://twitter.com/aliceavizandum/status/875665911952416768?lang=en

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Whorelord posted:

got fired and he didn't deserve it

you know if your reaction to getting fired for anything is to get on the roof then i think the firing was probably deserved

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

Back in grad school I did a research seminar in which I wrote on Britain in the early interwar years, and it seems to me that with only a few exceptions housing costs/availability has always been a major problem since, like, industrialization. Hell, Orwell's The Road to Wigan Pier, written in the 30s, spend much of its first half on housing problems in the industrial north.

For reference our current housing shortfall is about what it was after the Luftwaffe had done their bit to exacerbate the problems of the 1930s housing market.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/richard_littler/status/919946006627790848

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Looke posted:

has paul daniels been revealed as a nonce yet?

i sincerely hope not because he was one of only like 4 or 5 people on telly i really liked when i was a kid and of them the worst is floella benjamin who turned out to be a lib dem.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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JFairfax posted:

the dog thing is totes true btw

yeah you and truth tend not to have the tightest relationship so i'm gonna wait for some confirmation on that thanks all the same

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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nopantsjack posted:

Also I'm morbidly curious just how bad things are gonna get here.

My guess is very bad indeed and the papers will successfully blame it on Labour and the EU

And people on benefits, don't forget them, the lucky bastards.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Baloogan posted:

with the break down of world order perfidious albion returned to their age old trade: piracy
on the high seas laiden EU cargoships a plenty were taken by enterprising britons, and when pirates returned with cargo entire towns would erupt in celebration
consripting and kettling bands of youth from the streets of londontown to man their new pirate fleet yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

Unfortunately BAE got the contract to build HMS Golden Hind II meaning it was delivered three years late, too slow to actually catch any cargo ship with a functioning engine, and required 12 billion pounds worth of overhaul after it was discovered that HMG forgot to specify "must function in salt water".

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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tarbrush posted:

According to the FT, the upcoming budget doesn't contain the £1 billion that Theresa promised the DUP for northern Ireland, on the basis that its only available if there's power sharing in place.

I can foresee no possible way this could possibly come back to bite her.

Queen's Speech has already passed and I don't think the DUP have the balls to vote down the budget.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/NatEveryWord

https://twitter.com/NatEveryWord/status/924773146338742278

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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1982 Subaru Brat posted:

Someone must have been telling lies about Charlie E., for without having done anything wrong he was ratioed on Twitter one fine morning.

Unlike normal high-ratio posts, there is no entertainment to be had in reading the replies.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/Mr_Considerate/status/929737950744674304

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Crowsbeak posted:

Has anyone lossed their seat due to sexual harassment claims?

Mike "Handy" Hancock, a couple of Tories in the 80s (although that was more "indiscretions" rather than harassment).

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Squizzle posted:

is there for these purposes a distinction between direct threats like claiming you will water balloon someone, and more indirect things like saying how much better you feel the world would be if someone were dead

Short answer - a direct threat against a person that the subject of the threat knows about and that a reasonable person would believe was a threat against their person has been prosecuted successfully in the past (both as sending a menacing communication under the Communications Act 2003 and as GBH). That the subject doesn't know about - well, maaaaybe it could be done as a menacing communication, or possibly under other laws if the threats include actual plans to carry them out.

The indirect thing - well if you're a king with forthright opinions about turbulent priests it's absolutely fine. For us peasants then again it's the reasonable person test. If I as an ordinary person say "Hey it'd be hilarious if Tony Blair got eaten by wolves" then that's fine. If I say it while training wolves to attack people with insincere smiles and Googling directions to his house it can be used in evidence when I get arrested trying to get a Transit full of wolves past the security at his house.

(I am very much not a lawyer and there's a chance I've got it wrong, I'm just going on things that I know have been prosecuted)

Also loving :laffo: at how far that particular part of goonlore has drifted in 5 years.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Squizzle posted:

haha a russian oligarch is now planning yr death

a Russian oligarch was shot, presumably on the orders of another Russian oligarch, just down the road from me. literally didn't even get a mention in the local papers until a couple days later when Russian media reported it and everyone realised he was rich and then it was like third item on the news and they even did a crimewatch reconstruction.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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got any sevens posted:

are russian oligarchs like highlanders, and putin is the kurgan? how many are left

Well the dude shot near me lived, but I could certainly believe 6 rounds from a Makarov would be the Russian Oligarch version of beheading.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Irony Be My Shield posted:

Not everyone agreed with what Myra Hindley did, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxNyyZpP3GM&t=45s

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Byolante posted:

How many britpop bands released a single about welsh miners going to fight the fash and how you should be doing the same

Which then went on to be used in an advert by the BNP...

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bryter posted:

antibankdudism has no place in the labour party

Shut up hattersley

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bryter posted:

read the posts before you reply to to find out I guess


you think that if Uber does get barred from London their clientele will all move to vastly more expensive black cabs instead of transport they can actually afford?

Minicabs exist and will continue to do so, and the only people who think the actual competition for Uber are black cabs or buses and trains are PR people working for Uber who desperately have to pretend Uber are anything other than a minicab company with very, very expensive PR.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bryter posted:

Minicab riders don't typically have most of their fare paid by VC funding

That would be the very, very expensive PR I mentioned.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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What a bizarre coincidence this happens the day after Amber Rudd threw MI5 and plod under the bus over the Manchester bombing.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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TomViolence posted:

Who could even be arsed coming up with a plot to assassinate an absolute nobody like Theresa May in the first place? I mean what does she even do?

"Everyone wants to be Prime Minister - it's the only Government job where you can't be made Secretary of State for Northern Ireland"

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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hakimashou posted:

I'm kind of miffed that the internet rat/meme people are appropriating and ruining Jacob Rees-Mogg. I was introduced to him through the british Ali G show when he interviewed him and I just though wow, this guy is amazing. He also had some great speech in parliament about how the monarch is the golden thread that holds the UK together, "not a cotton thread or a woolen thread, but a golden thread."

Congratulations on having a frame of reference so narrow that "golden thread" is an amazing bit of oratory and not a really tired cliche used by people to demonstrate they read Classics at Oxbridge and have literally no actual skills or creativity, I suppose. It doesn't even actually work as a metaphor because the golden thread didn't bind, it showed the way.

You're probably going to plotz the first time some twat talks about Greeks bearing gifts when discussing the eurozone.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/PoliticalAP/status/945410486350307329

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bryter posted:

Abi fair enough, she's left wing in a pretty vague sense and hasn't pretended otherwise.

Owen Jones, on the other hand, has spent his entire career pushing the idea that the path to socialism in Britain is through the Labour left. But apparently he never considered that a leftist Labour party would encounter hostility from within and without. And despite being a supposedly committed socialist, he never considered that maybe joining that hostile chorus and attacking an already beleaguered leftist leadership wasn't helping advance his cause.

I don't recall Jones ever attacking Corbyn on matters of policy, just on the absolute loving shambles that was his press handling in at least the first year of his leadership. Trying to pretend everything is hunky dory when - to take just one example out of dozens - Corbyn manages to not only piss away the massive open goal the Tories gave him with their infighting over calling an early election but actually turned the story into one about his incompetence by accusing a journalist of harassment and then hiding behind a glass door ultimately does far more harm both to Corbyn and the idea of a leftist renaissance in Labour, something that is considerably bigger than just one pleasant bearded man.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Nebakenezzer posted:

OK here's a question thread:

Was it Corbyn who shitcanned all of the UK's anti-submarine aircraft? Because history says that of all things to shitcan, that was pretty dumb.

While the government is working on replacements, right now it rents ASW patrol when the nuclear deterrent subs leave port from France and Canada

no, it was BAE and the normal MoD procurement fuckups. Nimrod was dangerously out of date and should have been replaced in the 80s (the airframes are based on the loving Dehavilland Comet!) but BAE were unwilling to commit to a whole new airframe design, and various proposed adaptations of civilian aircraft either ran into the problem of those airframes also being old (VC10) or unacceptably foreign.

As always we tried to do it as a European procurement deal but that fell through because Airbus weren't willing to wet BAE's beaks enough, so we just kept buggering along with Nimrod until they started literally falling out of the sky, then we decided to buy a bunch of American surplus P3s via Australia for some loving reason and that fell through because they Yanks replacement for the P3 was also delayed. Then they went back to the Airbus project except of course because the project had moved along considerably it was going to cost a lot more to design in the maritime patrol aspects of it (plus of course the project was massively over-budget so there was an extra premium to pay there).

Just like with the Harrier there is nothing even slightly unpredictable about any of this and it gives the total lie to the idea that military procurement is anything to do with actually protecting the country, because right now we somehow, despite spending more as a proportion of GDP on our armed forces than we have since the Suez fuckup, we have a less capable military than we have had at any time since the Dutch were able to push our poo poo. The loving *Dutch*.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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The dude who owns the vape shop near work (shut up, I was giving up smoking) is a Rasta who would rant about the flat earth and how NASA was scamming all of us if you mentioned any possible subject not related to vaping. I mean sometimes it was entertaining (Phone makes a noise while in the shop? "Hey man, you know GPS is bullshit...") but most of the time I just wanted my 2mg American Red, and frankly wasn't in the mood for discussion.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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financially racist posted:

italy is actually the best because if germany hadn't had to pull a bunch of their units out of russia to go save italy in the caucusus, moscow prolly would have fallen and ww2 would have prolly taken another few years to end

Let's not forget getting their poo poo completely pushed in by and surrendering to a British army that consisted of about six blokes and a dog, leading to Hitler having to throw a bunch of his best troops into North Africa rather than at Moscow.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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The "joke" makes a lot more sense if you actually see the picture attached to the article:

https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/960815490015924225

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Kurtofan posted:

You brits are booze hounds

Have you seen the state of our country and everything in it?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Byolante posted:

Nobody was wearing a mask in Cable street because smashing Mosley was something you could be proud of.

Lots of people were wearing masks at Cable Street and it was one of the things the press wrung their hands about, comparing them to the pre-WWI anarchist movements.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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jBrereton posted:

Parliament can't remove the PM since who gets to be PM is an internal party matter for the people running the government.

It can vote no confidence in the government, which forces a new election unless there is another motion passed which says that on reflection people do have confidence in the government within 14 days (worth pointing out Bojo tried to do this to his own government and couldn't get the votes to do it, meaning he failed to pass a no confidence vote in himself).

This is absolutely 100% wrong.

Parliament de facto appoints the Prime Minister. They could vote tomorrow to make Corbyn, Chuka, or the Archbishop of Canterbury (who is of course a member of the House of Lords, so eligible for the job) if they so desired - the fact that the PM is the leader of the largest party or coalition in the Commons is a reflection of the fact that if you have a majority in the Commons you can pass whatever you like.

The actual constitutional framework is that the monarch appoints the PM, who has to demonstrate that they have the confidence of the House (either through passing a Queen's Speech following a General Election or by the Opposition failing to get a VoNC passed in the event of mid-term replacements). Even with FTPA loving things up it's still constitutionally possible for the Commons to no-confidence Boris and vote in A.N. Other as PM, which has been what all the fuckaboutery with the Lib Dems has been over the last few months.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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jBrereton posted:

No, it isn't.

Parliament passing a VONC in a PM doesn't mean anything, and has no effect whatsoever.

If they put a VONC in on the government and then decide on a new PM they decide to have confidence in, that's a different matter.

You said that appointing the PM is an internal affair for the ruling party, which is almost exactly the opposite of the actual situation.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/richard_littler/status/1177516747911385088

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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lorn Wayne posted:

q1. what is the significance of the frogs in front of the door

they're not frogs, they're boot scrapers - you'll see them outside just about any house built in London before the 1900s, because until then there was so much poo poo (horse and human) on the streets that scraping it off the soles of your shoes before entering the house was an everyday requirement.

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