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Man the United States is truly hosed up. I love how Trump, McConnell and their allies always manages the slimmest victory in the end no matter how unlikely it seems just to keep the nightmare going. Can't even say I'm surprised and that it played out in a way that allows Trump to claim credit for influencing Heller which he'll no doubt do so that the bizarre political theater can continue.
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Xombie posted:The people in this thread mostly don't know how anything works, so 100%. That is kind of how he works at least even if that's not how the debate is going to work. He cheers every minor legislative or administrative victory or stepping stone no matter how insignificant or part of a long process and any short coming is "Fake News".
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Jul 25, 2017 20:18
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Trabisnikof posted:Even if they get a bill out of the senate today the senate and house will have to vote for the real and different bill again in the future. This is nowhere near the end. If there's one thing I expect will remain a constant even in the Trump era it's Congress taking an exceedingly long time to come to a conclusion on anything. The defining trait of U.S Politics is how divisive and oppositional to a fault it is. It basically looks like trying to dick the other party over more than get anything done for the last 15 years especially. Definitely in the McConnell era more than any I can recall.
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Jul 25, 2017 20:21
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Worst part is that, obviously, the media types seem to be lapping this up. "Ooh, he said 'bipartisanship'!", they coo. "He's admonishing McConnell!", after doing exactly what McConnell wanted. Your media is also great I should mention. I thought Canadian Media gets a little weird at times mainly owing to slow rear end news and a general lack of sensationalism (and big budgets even though we have a state owned network) making it kind of straightforward and dull but the United States newsfotainment and shouting crazy screamy punditry (alas Bill O'Reilly but he looks tame these days next to say Sinclair Broadcast Group) men again makes for quite the political theater a lot of the time.
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Jul 25, 2017 20:25
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Loving the dark turn this thread took in turning into a tribunal on whether John McCain should live or die. American Political discussion sure is a thing these days. Just divisive and antagonistic as a fault. Even if the U.S was still interested in setting the pace for democracy and global debates on the issues of the times I'm not sure I'd want it to anymore. Perhaps the funniest thing about modern American politics and the debates surrounding them is that people legitimately think Trump is going anywhere before his first term is up and even then figuring it's a done deal in 2020 when arguably the defining trait of American politics is antagonistic partisanship trumping any and all reason and common sense. I mean what about anything that has transpired as Trumps first year winds down leads anyone to believe that he's going to be impeached or forced to resign exactly? Not that I'm saying I'd like anything less than to see him dumped but then it still wouldn't get rid of the enormous divides with liberals and conservatives sniping at and name calling each other daily and trying to dick each other over with their time in congress. It's pure candy land wishful thinking at this point anyway though and the sudden healing of the American democratic and conciliatory spirit seems even more so. Things are more likely to continue as they are or just get worse based on all the evidence I've seen since the tea party became a thing and how there's little sign that the deep partisan divide that realistically has been there since the civil war days is suddenly going to be bridged in the next year or even decade. Kale fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Aves Maria! posted:"Decency" in politics has been dead for years now, and Republicans killed it. Pretending to all be friends and glad-handing no longer matters when one party is essentially a cult of death. I haven't felt the Republican Party has given a poo poo about anything other than Rich White People since I graduated high school back in 2002 and started to become more aware of the politics of the U.S (I'm Canadian so our systems work a bit differently and it's not exactly a two party system even though there's a designation called "official opposition") and they've certainly become more and more transparent about it over time. I don't know if it's just the electoral college, but it feels like the U.S kind of loves them some Republicans as it's consistently been the default party for the 21st century to date. I believe I remember Democrats having control of the house for a very brief period at the start of Obama's presidency but then they made a couple of mistakes under Pelosi and it's like gently caress you house swings back to Republicans. It seems like the Republicans can gently caress up constantly and have scandal after scandal that would annihilate a sitting democratic rep or senator and have minimal consequences at best though. Body Slam a reporter for asking a question, get back into office. Have a runoff vote in 5 states with a deeply unpopular president, win every single one of them. Be a complete poo poo of a human being that goes against everything a leader is supposed to stand for, become president with yet another Republican and House majority etc. One party definitely seems to have it a lot easier than the other in getting elected to office for sure while the other feels like a permanent opposition party that occasionally is allowed to govern a branch of congress for a year or two. It's why I don't think that anything is changing in the house or senate in 2018. The Republican party just seems to have a massive advantage in getting it's people elected and re-elected in red states versus Democratic ones who are more likely to be defending seats in states that aren't New England or California somehow than looking to gain them. Kale fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Casey Finnigan posted:Yeah it's cause they draw the districts so that Republicans are heavily favored and then pass state laws to prevent people (the WRONG people of course) from voting. And in any case, if you're a poor person with a lot of work like very very many Americans are, it's not so easy to be able to vote even if you aren't going to be hosed over because of your last name or the color of your skin. What gets me is they vote to advance debate on something that to date has been wildly unpopular according to polls but they'll all probably still have no problem getting back in. It's literally like nothing matters in that country and there's only consequences for one party and the meek. I really don't know what the people that are saying poo poo like x senator that switched their vote to yes will be gone in 2018 are getting at but they're in for a really rude awakening come mid-terms if they truly think that.
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Jul 25, 2017 22:24
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enraged_camel posted:The US should just split into two. This is what I've been saying for a while. When you're this deeply divided almost straight down the middle 50/50 like the last couple of elections have shown and your policy platforms have devolved into just trying to dick over the other party and it's primary support bases as much as possible that's usually when you start to see secession.
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Jul 25, 2017 22:59
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Harrow posted:I think this is a pretty disingenuous way to look at the Democrats' platform. Their actions while in office tend towards actually trying to govern. They might not do it well, or at least do it well consistently enough, but they attempt to govern. Meanwhile, the Republicans' main thing is "if Democrats are for it, it must be bad, so we're against it." Yeah, "both sides" do some lovely things, but when one side is this much worse than the other, I think this both-sides-ism doesn't help anything. I agree with that but when the U.S doesn't want to seem to give the Democratic party a real chance to govern and just kind of goes "well it's been a couple years and things aren't immediately better so time to give the House back to the Republicans.....again" like it often seems to it's a bit of a challenge. Like I said all gerrymandering aside it seems like the U.S loves itself some Republican governing. I mean the Democrats DID get a couple years there I swear from about 2008-2010 so it's not all gerrymandering that I can tell but again Canadian so can only follow thing so closely down there. That's about the only Democratic House/Senate control I can recall in the 21st century though.
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So as soon as I heard that the Transgender approval policy was Obama's it suddenly clicked instantly on why this is such a big policy deal for Trump in the midst of everything is going on since literally his entire policy as president to date has been based around doing the exact opposite of everything that Obama did. He doesn't care about the military in the slightest nor Healthcare, it's just Obama approved the current policies it so they have to go. Not sure what his loving deal is with Sessions though, that one literally seems to have come out of nowhere. Seriously though I think if you could get Obama to do a fake speech about how he's against Transgenders in the military and at least make it look real for Trump he'd turn around tomorrow and be all for it. I think this might be the secret to manipulating Trump into doing the right thing for once in his life but it involves getting Obama back into politics and a whole lot of role play. Kale fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 18:19
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Seriously what the gently caress is going on with this guy this week. Is this his pronouncement of godhoods? Just when I think he can't melt down any further. You guys good with this down in the States? Like seriously is everything loving okay cause I swear that countries about to have it's worst day? 
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Jul 26, 2017 18:34
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let me once again take the time to to point out how awesomely toothless and concerned about appearing trendy the U.S media is again Oh clever poo poo. He's probably just crazy but how can we spin this with a little levity for the millennials and lovely pop music references so as to make it appear like it's all in good fun. This is one of the reason I say the U.S Media is largely newsfotainment and lacks any sort of teeth to act as a watchdog on anything even if it wanted to. If Trump is overly concerned about ratings and numbers I think he's got more than he thinks in common with his stated mortal enemy.
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Jul 26, 2017 18:55
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Paracaidas posted:Must have been one neoliberal centrist shill in the administration who pushed that through. It's an Obama administration passed law so it's gotta go, doesn't matter what's in it, those are the rules.  The question is what does he do if/when he's finally succeeded in undoing every Obama era policy? Is that when he resigns or something else?
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Jul 26, 2017 18:57
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/890266719444402184 Isn't this the plot of season two of house of cards only swap out VP for AG
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Jul 26, 2017 19:00
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Skippy Granola posted:Holy poo poo man I picked the wrong time to get back on Twitter. Everyone is zerking out lookin for someone to beat on. My reasons for never getting involved with Social media become more and more justified and reinforced to myself as 2017 wears on even though it originally started as a kind of harmless not wanting to be stuck with a 140 character limit that I figured would diminish conversation and eventually lead to group think. I've never been sure if I agree with the motto the internet makes you stupid, but twitter definitely seems to have made the human race stupider and in record time too. Like I wasn't prepared for how fast it would take the piss out of your average internet conversation, contribute largely to giving the world President Trump and turning a good chunk of an entire generation in to shrieking bait monkeys and elementary schoolyard name callers. Also believe it or not there was a time when Trump's tweets were relatively normal and straightforward when he first started using it in 2008. Then they slowly got more and more political and about being vindictive up until about 2012 when he just kind of lost his loving mind over Obama being re-elected if anyone recalls and it's been all downhill since. I've heard it argued that it's because the guy is desperate to be loved and knows he'll never be loved as much as Obama who is everything he isn't was just sort of pushing him over the edge and starting this whole super-villain origin story. Kale fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 19:04
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Thaddius the Large posted:Attack Japan getting 20% will never not be funny as hell I love that they have the exact same obsession with bubble fonts and color absolutely everywhere on their TV graphics that Japanese TV does. They have a lot more in common than they think culture wise and I'm not just talking about the obession with teen idol clone groups. At least no side has tried to invade the other in a few generations now.
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Soylent Yellow posted:So not only can Trump dictate US policy via Twitter, but he can also use it to raise the DEFCON level. Cool country Tarezax posted:That IS a Japanese TV show. Look there's a lot going on today what can I say...normally I'd pick up on the difference and the graphics should have again been my first clue Kale fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 20:42
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Will congress pass the wildly unpopular bill and stick it to the American public again. Stay tuned. I pray that one day you guys will be able to just do things like I did today and register for my government funded blood test online that I need without some rear end in a top hat trying to take it away because of a beef with his predecessor in government.
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Jul 26, 2017 20:51
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Rigel posted:1st vote has already failed. Second vote will be more important, only needs 50, but expected to fail. They said that about the motion to proceed though
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Jul 26, 2017 20:53
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:No they didn't. Then why was everybody so surprised and literally saying it was impossible as of like a couple days ago before Heller flip flopped cause Trump scary apparently. I mean yeah it needed a tie breaker but I don't remember anyone besides me thinking it had a chance of being opened for debate.e E: McCain no. Can't wait for mad trump to demonize him on twitter by dinner time.
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Jul 26, 2017 20:56
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Rigel posted:Who is "they"? On the day of the vote, we believed they may have 50. Just about every pundit I'm aware of on either side of the debate. Now I'm hearing differently albeit with more compelling and plausible sounding reasons so I'm just gonna listen to the goons from now on since they clearly know what's up more than the pundits. I've been meaning to cut their rear end out as sources of info for a while cause of the whole newsfotainment thing though.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:00
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Rigel posted:Thats understandable. News operates on simple sound bites and binary answers. We can usually spot weasel words and careful phrasing like "I am a no on MTP for the full repeal", which CNN might excitedly yell means victory, but we see that as "well ok, that plan looks dead. I wonder what the turtle will come up with next?" Considering that they still have yet to update that it's a no on CNN which we've know for a good 15 minutes now. Don't want to stop those refresh clicks just yet I guess. They'll probably update at like 5PM EST at this rate
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Jul 26, 2017 21:11
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Praying for Colbert or some equivalent to produce a Montage about Dylan set to that "Oh let me tell you abot my best friend song" by Harry Nilsson
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Jul 26, 2017 21:20
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At least some restraint was shown in "dylan" not reaffirming the enormous manly size of Trump's hands
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Who shall trump seek vengeance on first for today's vote? It might be too late in the day to tweet and besides that's for slowly announcing major policy revisions anyway cause it's more stupid that way. My guess is it'll be specifically one of the female voters that voted no and it'll be done in the most awkwardly sexist and demanding way possible. Maybe it's Jeff Sessions and Obama fault it was 45-55
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Deadulus posted:Lol Susan Collins kind of owns and should defect IMO. She doesn't seem to fit the Republican model at all
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Jul 26, 2017 22:08
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ding ding ding This guy gets it. I'm struggling to think of a major policy drive from the Trump Administration besides the stupid wall thing that doesn't revolve around undoing an Obama era policy and I've got nothing. It always seems to tie back to that. Healthcare, don't ask don't tell poo poo, Paris Agreement,Cuba, school lunch thing, he doesn't give a poo poo about any of this stuff beyond Obamas signature making him see red. If a trivial Obama era policy thing was brought to his attention in the midst of a full blown international crisis he'd choose to focus on overturning that thing first before thinking about dealing with the global crisis no doubt.
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dont even fink about it posted:lol why does this even exist as a thing Goddammit we're going to make it look like we agreed on something today if it's the last thing you do. Presenting motion to gauge congressional approval on the deliciousness of Ice Cream Sandwiches.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:01
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The people saying "well you voted for him too late to second guess" kind of have a point admittedly. That's how I feel about the situation in general to some degree, under the rules of the electoral college at least he was voted into office until proven otherwise by the Mueller investigation so it's like......
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Hollismason posted:Does Trump have to issue a order in person? Could he just be like " Hey we should bomb X country " and the military would have to seriously consider it or whatever I'm not sure but announcing opening of hostilities over twitter seems totally fine as a formal declaration of war in 2017 cause why shouldn't everything be governed and dictated through loving twitter. I'm coming out and saying it right now too, worst new invention to society of the millennium hands down. gently caress Twitter straight up. I'd almost call for a do over on that platform coming into existence before I'd call for a do over on the Gore/Bush election where IMO things started to take a steep downhill decline in Western society. Hard to believe Twitter has only been around for 11 years too and you can already see and feel the widespread damage it's done to society as a whole. Society as a whole seems like a bigger more petty, bigoted and stupid vindictive dick than ever as a result of it giving that sort of poo poo a viable platform.
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Data Graham posted:What a fuckin day this has been. I knew it was gonna be one for the ages. Wasn't expecting quite so many plot twists in the Trumpmerica series though. One for the seasonal compilation video but if you ask me the first seasons a mess already and I hop they cancel the second. Too many subplots
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Kaboobi posted:"we're republican and we love america, just like you" Sadly probably enough for America's beloved grand old party. Just blame the Democrats likw always if poo poo goes bad
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Jul 27, 2017 20:45
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Man things are really loving bad in the states. Like epic bad
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Jul 27, 2017 21:42
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Really senior guy at work I respect a lot "Don't ever let me hear you talk about moving down to the states. Don't go down there, don't do it period okay" Me: Looking at the now literally daily poo poo show "You don't have to tell me twice"
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berserker posted:this is helpful I feel for you guys but at the same time so glad I wasnt born 50 miles south of where I was. How can I not be
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Jul 27, 2017 22:05
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SulphagneSocialist posted:If it's any consolation it seems like no one on the Hill seems to have any idea what the gently caress is going on. Trying to cram any sort of bill through to claim any sort of "win" cause that's all that matters to them by the looks of it? I've followed your politics for 15-20 years now at least and even I have no idea what the gently caress is going anymore besides "winning"
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Lookin good. LEADERSHIP! Everyone at the white house functioning as a cohesive unit we promise
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