[Asia/Oceania] Yellen says she hopes China wont mount retaliation against any steps Washington takes

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this allusion meant: Apr 9, 2006

speaking of simplification, what's up with this poster? the graphic is simplified and the block print is traditional. you can even see red written two different ways. didn't have time to produce new print blocks? strategically waiting until the next round of simplification before ordering new ones? baffling artifacts, gpcr posters. big fan of the ones for a few years where they printed the pinyin before deciding that was cringe or whatever

KomradeX posted:

Latest Brain in a Jar take

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 03:05

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 02:22

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Antonymous posted:

what is the impact on literacy. 馬 became 马 so now I can read? it's just a different font.

reduction in time required to write the week�s new characters 10x each by hand every day in the class that has to let out in time for kids to get some stuff done in the field afterwards or are otherwise time constrained by domestic labor needs of rural families

obv kids needing to contribute household labor is not as pressing a practical concern anymore but the benefit of simplification to literacy is not conceptual, it�s time-economical within a rote paradigm (which is necessary for characters)

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 13:25

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Some Guy TT posted:

theres just one thing i dont understand if the chinese government censors all criticism of the state in its movies then how did this movie ever get to theaters

there�s no subject matter they love better than the struggle of everyday people. sometimes they realize afterwards there�s an implicit criticism of the state for letting things get as bad as they are and that�s not ideal but within the realm of ls they�re willing to take. you just can�t come out guns blazing and explicitly say that state policy objectives or systemic corruption are causing this

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 13:32

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Palladium posted:

funniest thing is everyone that grew up learning simplified (like me) can easily read traditional but not vice versa so this is one the dumbest things to idpol against on

people have insisted to me both ways on this question (learning which way is easier to later read the other) and as someone who has stuffed a thousand simplified characters into my head only to have nine hundred fall out three times in my life so far i have no meaningful insight into this matter

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 14:37

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AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/Itmechr3/status/1417650987972628481

If you look at per capita cabon emissions the US is easily in the top 10, and China is very low on that list.

it's fair for people to look at china's high overall emissions and continuing use of coal; the majority of the world's people have lower per capital emissions and many poorer countries are making serious efforts to avoid a coal-dependent strategy. making the point that america is obviously worse may be correct for arguing with americans, but the rest of the world are people too. the areas where china's climate policy lead are kind of untouchable are installation of renewable energy production capacity, scaling up and economizing the supply chain for renewable energy (e.g. pv panels, rare earths and other materials for windmills, vehicle electrification, etc.), building out modern passenger rail (both high speed intercity and metro), preparatory infrastructure for higher future renewables mixes (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pumped-storage_hydroelectric_power_stations#Under_construction for one example, also lots of investment into ultra high voltage transmission to get produced energy from the interior out to coastal cities that use a ton of it), commitment to nuclear energy, and things of that nature. in short, there's only one country on earth pursuing the climate strategy of maintaining low consumption, transitioning to low-input agriculture, and concentrating development efforts on educating large numbers of scientific and medical personnel to plan adaptation and relocation efforts, and that's cuba, and they're not really doing that by choice. everyone else is supposedly either still industrializing or pursing a strategy of investing industrial surpluses into renewables and electrifying energy use in transportation, housing, manufacturing, and agriculture, and switching land use patterns to sink carbon. well more than half the renewable energy capacity built out last year was in china. so what's going on here, is there a secret third plan or are a bunch of clowns flopping around

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 06:18

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mila kunis posted:

also, hey tam how come you're posting on SA again

was reading games and anime poo poo, remembered a bunch of people talking about cspam over the years and wandered over

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 13:28

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what happens if xi tells him that most of neom isn�t gonna work and those consultants are ripping him off

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 14:01

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when will western sinophobes finally learn a single thing about chinese national jingoism and start using rabbits to represent the xiaofenhong menace

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 14:49

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Al-Saqr posted:

has Xi Jinping ever changed the expression on his face ever, I don�t think I�ve ever seen him have any other face other than that blank smile he always had, he should learn a thing or two from Kim Jong Un and have like a million super expressive faces depending on what he�s looking at. nothing will ever top the expression of pure joy Kim Jong UN had when he was looking at goop coming out of a tube.

he definitely has a disappointed dad look and a different actually pleased blank smile versus the politely bored blank smile. but yeah ccp leadership are famously inexpressive

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 16:47

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he was cheerier when he was younger. the job is rather stressful i presume

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 16:55

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i don�t think xiangyu�s especially stupid he just has a very unusual inverted presentation of taiwanese reddit brain

i ain�t heard more than about thirty seconds of his raps tho, maybe there�s some opinions to be had there

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 17:56

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at a functional level america is just impossible for these states with stable leadership to make deals with, since they tend to expect deals to solve things on the scale of decades but actually in two years the next administration will overturn everything and totally change their attitude, and you can�t even get a straight answer about whether this is just posturing for domestic audiences. other high turnover electoral governments know the game since they�re all constantly in this state of deals forming and collapsing but some issues just require more lasting agreements that we seem unable to make because of the incentives of our system

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 18:18

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the lama said he would help me open my meridians, but he examined my spiritual flow and there were no meridians. it was americidians

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 19:05

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Comrade Koba posted:

what does �recognizing� taiwan even mean in a diplomatic context if they haven�t formally declared independence? recognizing them as the rightful government of all china?

recognizing the state of the republic of china, which governs taiwan and doesn�t say much in particular about any previous claims that predecessor governments may have held. this precludes diplomatic relations with the prc due to one china and so only works for fake states with no economy or very small states with only one significant trade partner (usually usa) (so e.g. some caribbean and central american countries go for it). it doesn�t imply anything in particular about who you think is the legitimate government of the mainland but it�s just the rule that you can only have official relations with one government of china

# ¿ Aug 11, 2022 19:39

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StashAugustine posted:

does anyone have a place to get battle of lake changjin? this post brought to you by blowback s3

last i checked normal piracy venues had it. anyway it�s not a particularly good movie about the korean war (no koreans) and is mainly about how the pva had grit and camaraderie and something to fight for unlike the americans who eat turkey and wish to return home for burger. mao anying being moved by the earnest self-criticism of the �dipshit dirtbag kid� chinese movie stock character is p good tho

# ¿ Aug 12, 2022 17:47

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sonatinas posted:

do you have some easily digestible links or articles about how his claims are false? I�m thinking of effortposting to my lib brained brother who has lived in Japan since 2006 and thought my criticism of the xinjiang reporting was �a weird take�. I was going to probably search this thread and pull things but you seem to have a knack of pulling stuff .

I should read digitally more and underline but I like a vanity bookshelf I admit. maybe one day I can have a 25k Stalin library.

the quantitative estimates are based on nothing and the framing as genocide or settler colonialism is historically illiterate but there are in fact lots of non-han people from xinjiang who are or were incarcerated on flimsy or irrelevant evidence and subjected to coerced participation in education programs that feature rote loyalty expression and corporal discipline (with all the sorts of local, unsanctioned abuses by bad cops that large scale ethnically-targeted policing and punishment has), which is something that is bad even if the cia is making up salacious details and pushing it in the media everywhere for geopolitical purposes

# ¿ Aug 12, 2022 19:55

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KirbyKhan posted:

The dollar store foam globes for children are the authority of sovereignty

lmao @ the line

# ¿ Aug 12, 2022 22:33

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genericnick posted:

Pretty sure someone linked a youtube in this thread. It's kind of worth it for the US Navy entry scene alone, though fundamentally it's the same action schlock.

oh yeah considering how weak a lot of the cgi (and the voice acting obv) is it's impressive how menacing the american assault is in the early scenes. and the pure red flags of the pva are always gorgeous whenever they're on screen. it's a fairly good movie if you already feel the right way about it, i guess

# ¿ Aug 13, 2022 20:27

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mila kunis posted:

i thought it was a good action movie with good politics. good to see americans correctly depicted as invading orcs.

my view remains that a korean war movie with no koreans cannot have good politics, even if it's showing the right sides as good and bad

# ¿ Aug 13, 2022 22:24

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Horseshoe theory posted:

So, uh, can't China just say that the US triggered any conflict by virtue of openly backing the 'renegade government'?

lower ranking legislators visit taipei all the time. this isn't as interesting as the pelosi visit. they also did say that, to justify the de facto blockade that was then extended beyond the original timeframe without prior announcement of when it would actually end, which was a very threatening situation

# ¿ Aug 14, 2022 18:22

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brugroffil posted:

Is there feasible large storage yet

how large you thinking? lotta pumped hydro getting built but it�s not clear how deep you can actually cycle those things without causing problems

# ¿ Aug 15, 2022 01:51

this allusion meant: Apr 9, 2006

falun are the mek-type compromised cult that were offered a lifeline and over time switched from cooperative to controlled asset. i doubt most of these smaller outfits are involved and i doubt the cia has started very many cults at all (there's a few they definitely helped but out of all the ones that have a message that makes them useful, probably not many). lots of people have dissatisfactions with the party that they're not able to intellectualize into either a coherent way of turning inward to live with it or a political understanding that can provide a framework for acting against it, and cults can feed on that energy among the various other instabilities and hurts that make people vulnerable to cults

# ¿ Aug 16, 2022 02:13

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indigi posted:

obviously the genocide and even cultural genocide narratives are bullshit but given what the PRC has published in English about the deradicalization program, some level of forced labor wouldn't surprise me at all (though I very very much doubt it's an industry-wide, mass scale thing on the level of "all cotton from Xinjiang is harvested by forced labor"). the more I've read about what's going on the more it sounds like US war on drugs incarceration practices with the enormous benefit that when people are released they can speak some Mandarin and probably got valuable trade education

the basic allegation is that people are very heavy-handedly pressured into vocational training (not normal, takes place in a "camp" as in a controlled area where rule of law is even more suspended than usual), then graduate into working in a work group that takes jobs as a group and lives with on-site employer housing and amenities (normal in china). the work itself is normal, but they wouldn't have voluntarily began the process that led to them taking it if not for the heavy pressure at the beginning, so it's all in a sense coerced, and it's kinda sorta forced labor. this fine distinction is virtually always lost in the reporting, and in the political rhetoric, and it's very common on the internet to see people pointing to relatively normal aspects of chinese working conditions as evidence of forced labor

in mainland china people know that there's a xinjiang deradicalization program and also a big effort to get all the minorities into jobs that are considered normal by mainstream, industrialized, urbanized china, and the end state that people can see (work groups of uyghurs and central asian minorities employed in new industries and throughout the country) looks very normal and like what they or their parents did at various points in time. when the west boycotts xinjiang goods because of forced labor, a lot of mainlanders misinterpret what is being said and think the west is repeating the slur, more common in the 80s and 90s, that all chinese labor is slave labor, children in sweatshops, that sort of thing, but they know that's how they came up and consider themselves to have all the normal capitalist freedom to choose how to be exploited now, and a lot of people are proud of the prosperity that was built by that hard work. and to be fair that is in fact what a lot of common people in the west do in fact think, and it obviously is insulting at face value. but the rational core of the criticism is fundamentally true: one of the things the chinese state is trying to do with its ethnic policy in the western provinces is to use a mix of coercion, nudging, and material incentives to proletarianize populations that had resisted integration into ~~capitalism~~the socialist market economy, who had previously preferred to make a living through means like subsistence farming, mercantile activities, and various inefficient small businesses

of course, the idea that american state policy is going to pressure them to change this by buying someone else's tomatoes and cotton is laughable. the sanctions are a pretext for protecting markets from the extremely strong silicon and rare earth materials production industries in xinjiang

# ¿ Aug 20, 2022 18:25

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lollontee posted:

how much of these working conditions are accepted by the people they're being imposed on though? wouldn't such imposition of a way of life seen as alien be defined as "forced integration" of a foreign group, such as has been done with native americans?

because they seemed to prefer living that way, for a variety of reasons? and with the freedom of choice taken away from them, wouldn't this naturally breed resentment?

the chinese project is a bit problematic, in the sense that it is a conscious effort to impose a way of life perceived superior, unto a resisting population. radical resistance seems like an inevitable consequence

i agree that a lot of people have fair reasons to fear and resent the chinese state, and that the ethnic project in the western provinces is problematic as a whole and detestable in a few particulars. my view is that, taken broadly, these aspects of chinese policy are the worst and most unjust of all the party's actions today, by a significant margin. i also happen to think they probably fall near the median for how ethical the integration of peripheral peoples into labor markets goes worldwide, and i can't even get my country to stop contracting out prisons in a way that incentivizes them to bribe judges to lock up kids forever, so i'm not going to defend what they do, but it would be very foolish to play along with western hypocrisy on the issue

# ¿ Aug 20, 2022 19:42

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mila kunis posted:

surprisingly wholesome comments section for reddit. if that subreddit is like that i assume it'll get quarantined soon

op is p funny. yeah trueanon sub is alright in terms of geopolitical sympathies but detailed local stuff like this is rare

# ¿ Aug 23, 2022 17:16

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In Training posted:

It's such an insane tactic too bc you can just like. Watch vlogs from China. Fuckoads of them every day on YouTube and twitch.

chinese people in china freak out if they think they have covid, the idea that anyone could possibly imagine covering up uncontrolled spread is nuts. there would be wild panic. i was gonna say insane panic but actually it would be calamitous to sink to the level of the barbarians and any panic would be rational

# ¿ Aug 23, 2022 18:27

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Some Guy TT posted:

is this really a special chinese thing because it kind of sounds like something everybody does

saying that normal things are specific to their home country is how immigrant parents complain their kids don't understand all the social norms that no one taught them after growing up in a socially dislocated setting. generally you get over it when you grow up but if you are trying to make money writing you might consider exploiting it for flavor and if the producers or publishers are looking for that kinda poo poo there's a bottomless well

# ¿ Aug 31, 2022 02:44

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Torpor posted:

I thought eeaao was about a mom freaking out because her daughter revealed she liked girls, the mom freaked out so much she did a Pan�s Labrynth routine.

it's about having a lot going on and navigating it from the perspective of not really getting it and just sort of trying to muddle through

# ¿ Aug 31, 2022 23:57

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Cao Ni Ma posted:

Last yearly we heard chinese home grown cpus reached parity with Zen 1 which was a huge development for them.

Well this year they announced that theyve reached parity with Zen3

Huge gains, china is only a few years from catching up to top chip manufacturers

i don�t think the ability to catch up in chip design was in doubt, that�s why they had to kill hisilicon by banning huawei from tsmc fabs, and banning smic from getting asml equipment. the future of x86 isn�t necessarily going to be particularly important and hisilicon was perfectly competitive in arm based chip design. it�s the parts between the processed inputs (amat et al) and the litho machines (asml) where it�s hard to see a near-future catchup

# ¿ Sep 1, 2022 15:03

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AnimeIsTrash posted:

Is chip production going well? I saw a bloomberg article last week which talked about how the industry was underwater because of corruption or something like that. Lol

smic is making what appears to be 7nm-class chips based on multi-patterning techniques at feature sizes close to what tsmc had before finally using euv. however they have no obvious ways of acquiring euv lithography or any future advances beyond that at the time. domestic technology at those steps in the chain are further behind than the fab and design steps. the financial situation is probably really corrupt and hosed up because of being a big strategic deal that the state wants to throw money at but i don�t know the details. however that is not likely to be the main issue going forward

ultimately they can survive having worse chips and having to take their time filling in the gaps from sanctions and export controls. there�s no magic involved that can�t be rediscovered the hard way and there�s no threat to life from slow smartphones. the researchers who use supercomputers may be a bit sad

# ¿ Sep 1, 2022 16:38

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Marzzle posted:

is the LGBTQIA2S+ identity that was censored just "dude who fucks his lady cousin"? sounds a lot more like incest than LGBT stuff

it�s a little circuitous but basically the reason the incest joke is censored is general disapproval of sex jokes in television and not necessarily anything specific to incest (one can imagine a different set of censorship rules that would allow the other stuff but censor the incest, but that�s not what exists). however if you just say that the censors are about 20% more prudish than ours and cover a slightly more modern range of formats, since we also limit adult content in broadcasting, that doesn�t sound very interesting. so basically to attack china you say that all the sex censorship is actually part of a heteronormative patriarchal system and therefore bad, which sounds plausible enough at the top level low detail analysis, and is true to an extent, but probably this is not the best show to demonstrate the point. however when you then copy and paste this analysis onto every instance of the sex joke censorship many individual cases seem very ill-fitting and indeed quite offensive to the people whose oppression is supposedly being criticized

# ¿ Sep 1, 2022 19:31

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oh this has some info on the state of mainland litho

https://twitter.com/alubacap/status/1565423104582631425?s=21&t=Ir3DrSK4RyNYSdv6myNMlA

i am talking about the article in the first tweet. the second one just has a neat chart and it�s efficient to link it to embed both

# ¿ Sep 1, 2022 21:24

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indigi posted:

what is lithography. lith means stone right. they making GPUs out of stone now or are they talking about sand. sand ain't rocks bitch

they melt the sand into really pure silicon, then cut the silicon into thin circles, then cut grooves into the circles with lasers and poo poo, and put chemicals on the etched patterns to deposit circuits and transistors and stuff on the silicon, and then they cut it all up into rectangles. these things are lithography broadly, but more narrowly it refers to the people who make the laser machines that cut the grooves

# ¿ Sep 2, 2022 00:35

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indigi posted:

that's cool but it sounds like laser etching to my uneducated ear, is there a difference or is lithography just like... super Ballers Only tier etching

are you familiar with nanometers

# ¿ Sep 2, 2022 00:38

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i mean i do not have particularly detailed technical knowledge; i'm interested in this stuff primarily for gaming reasons. but afaik they've been doing commercial chip fabrication using these concepts since the 60s, and have been inventing tricks to make smaller patterns every couple years since then. also i guess it's technically not lasers but alternating steps of chemicals and light shined through patterned masks

# ¿ Sep 2, 2022 00:53

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Slavvy posted:

This may seem dumb but why does china actually need chip parity? Like what do the latest chips actually get you in a material, non-fart-app sense? Like can they fly missiles and moon rockets better somehow or is it all just consumer bullshit?

high performance computing is relevant to fields like energy and mineral exploration and development, weather and climate forecasting, the kind of nuclear weapons development that doesn't get you condemned like the dprk gets (simulation-based), complex robotics and ai stuff (has some kinda military applications in addition to tech economy scams), a variety of biology-related stuff (many things like proteins and sub-cellular structures are very complex relative to most molecules but can be reliably simulated given sufficient compute resources), and chip design itself relies heavily on simulation. strictly speaking if they get into a war the lack of chip parity will not cause them to fail, but if access to international computing supply chains can be cut off short of war, china will face a period of relatively slower development in key strategic scientific fields while it struggles to catch up. i don't think missiles or other weapons really rely on having the fanciest chips in them but their development involves a lot of workstation computers

the consumer bullshit doesn't matter, you can definitely make people deal with slower phones these days. the way things are going i'll probably replace my iphone around year 9-10 of owning it and i consider myself a spendy treat hog by global standards. that's just the current model for financing development of the important stuff

# ¿ Sep 2, 2022 01:53

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indigi posted:

yeah but how critical is smallness to computing for these applications? is heat dissipation an insurmountable barrier? can't you double or triple the number of chips you use and compete with computers that US or EU is using? or is it just that no matter how many 7nm chips you cram into a building-sized computer it can't compete with 3nm chips?

the advantages in terms of space and energy are multiplicative. you can build very big computers, yes, but it�s not a matter of double or triple the floor space, silicon, power, etc., but significantly larger multiples. the westerners would have the advantage in both how much they can spend and what they can get for their money. there are limits in that the speed of moving data around can become a hard limit to scaling but i don�t know enough to say what kind of workloads that�s a big deal for

china will never collapse purely for lack of computing power. if it costs several times more energy and time to do things they will be at a disadvantage in technological and scientific competition, in which speed and the ability to mobilize resources from the rest of the economy are always limiting factors. the stakes are not existential, but they may be determinative for great power competition

# ¿ Sep 2, 2022 19:30

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indigi posted:

why does she conclude that Bortat can make Xi stop doing genocide

kazakhstan is a valued partner in important belt and road rail links and other projects. unlike almost every other country accusing china of stuff, people in kazakhstan and the other central asian states have family across the border who they complain about not having heard from (mostly because calling a lot of people outside the country in languages the cops don't know too well is a great way to get the attention of said cops, rather than those people actually having been detained, but still). central asian states have done a lot of renegotiating on belt and road deals because the population and business community perceive their governments as having been too favorable to beijing early on, and while that's fine in theory, it could go too far and make very important projects non-viable. so they have organic motive and intrinsic means. on the flip side their government thinks the west tried to back a coup against them and that china is a reliable supporter in that regard

# ¿ Sep 7, 2022 05:13

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indigi posted:

how the gently caress is the Chinese public's position "precarious," lockdowns are accompanied by nutritional and housing relief for individuals, not to mention the protection of their health. that's the opposite of precarious

sometimes local authorities gently caress up the supply deliveries. also people with specific medical needs aren�t always able to access either their meds or the hospital during lockdown. the western commentary is ridiculous because people want the lockdowns to be executed more competently, not to switch to an american style zero mitigation policy

# ¿ Sep 9, 2022 18:03

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 02:22

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stephenthinkpad posted:

The main differences between Ukraine and Taiwan are that 1) Ukrainians didn't have money and didn't actual pay for their aid weapons 2) Ukrainians are slavs, all slavs are hardcore mofos; the Taiwanese army are...closer to the Afghanistan National Army on the spectrum.

isn�t part of the issue for them that the senior army officers are still mostly kmt guys who hate separatists? the americans may be trying to finish shaking them out

# ¿ Sep 14, 2022 17:23

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