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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Wheat Loaf posted:

I think the Zillo beast - and making that episode a big Godzilla homage - was Lucas's idea. What else did he come up with for the show that we know about?

That two-parter was one of the best things of the Clone Wars series. Palpatine is so very obviously indulging himself in evil for its own sake and having a great time. Forcing an ethical, kind-hearted scientist to torture a sentient being was pure Dark Side. A mashup of King Kong and Godzilla in the Star Wars universe was a good idea executed well.

I liked Solo. Not all of the fanservice or origins of parts of Han's legend worked, but most of it did. The droid rights activist (someone make this Twitter account) gave us the droids tearing up the command center scene. Glover was fantastic as Lando and had some really good scenes. Woody was also excellent; I liked his original crew, both of those were good characters. Giant space cthulhu getting sucked into a black hole was a cool sequence. The music was terrific. Vibroblade fight at the end was good. The twist from bandits to rebels for the opposition group fell a little flat; I was half expecting a very young Phasma when the leader took her helmet off, she's got some of Christie's looks. Capes, capes, capes.

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Mandrel posted:

the heart of the thing is, the ESB scene is compelling as gently caress and the TLJ one isn’t. i’ve seen a ton of person stands in front of a bunch of mirrors and it represents mumble mumble something about emptiness and who they are mumble. Zardoz did that poo poo.

Terry Pratchett had the best mirror scene anyway,

quote:

Granny Weatherwax looked out at the multi-layered, silvery world.
“Where am I?”
INSIDE THE MIRROR.
“Am I dead?”
THE ANSWER TO THAT, said Death, IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NO AND YES.
Esme turned, and a billion figures turned with her.
“When can I get out?”
WHEN YOU FIND THE ONE THAT’S REAL.
“Is this a trick question?”
NO.
Granny looked down at herself.
“This one,” she said.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Mandrel posted:

way behind here but one thing that stands out to me in AOTC is how much more I buy the Anakin/Padme romance as an adult. as a teen I thought it was bizarre and stilted and couldn’t comprehend why Padme would fall for this weird goober.

That's a fair reading. But you still want to skip over the whole frolicking in the meadow scene in AotC, it kills the pacing and you get a better movie without it.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




teagone posted:

Ben's soul was split. If you treat Kylo Ren and Ben Solo as two warring identities, then I think thematically it works. Having Ben find his peace with his father through his memories as "Ben" and not as "Kylo Ren" works in that sense. His coming back to the light due to the realization that even when he was Kylo Ren, his father still loved him, and him accepting that he too always loved his father works well enough for me as sealing his return to the light side.

But I will say that the lack of interaction between Luke and Ben in TROS is a bummer.

It gave us a surprise Harrison Ford cameo, and some really good material for Driver. I'd say turning back to the light through a vision of his father's love holds the movie together thematically.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Clarste posted:

I like how even in the super sympathetic bullet list, the movie they describe doesn't sound very good.

And this story reflects the themes of TLJ very directly.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




BizarroAzrael posted:

I hope Waititi gets to do something really out there with the franchise, like a sports drama or something.

He's busy with Time Bandits.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




well why not posted:

Ki ADI Mundi is head of the slut house

You're thinking of Kit Fisto.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




This is from WAY back, but there's a huge backlog on the intro creator...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4h2gRHEmU

mllaneza fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Apr 26, 2020

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




General Dog posted:

I can’t imagine how bored and depressed Palpatine must have been in the post-Republic pre-Rebellion era. I think orchestrating the Clone Wars and corrupting and destroying the Jedi had have been more about the journey than the destination for him.

The Zillo Beast 2-parter of Clone Wars really shows Palpatine indulging himself in shameless, joyous evil. It's a terrific episode, not just for that but for being a good homage to King Kong.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Gonz posted:

There’s a shorter version of this that i’ve seen before, but this one is much better.

Yeah, that's a pro-click. That actually adds depth to Guinnesses' acting.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Chill Penguin posted:

I wouldn’t say it “adds depth.” Remembering his time at war, and the accompanying PTSD/shellshock (not sure if “PTSD” was classified as such in 1975) was always part of the script, and thus the actor’s performance. It certainly contextualizes and gives us more specificity and allows us to really hone in on what was a very brief moment, but the moment was already there. The depth was already there, in his performance.

Okay, fair point. I wouldn't want to sell Sir Alec short !

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




punishedkissinger posted:

yeah Attack of the Clones has at least some interesting elements even if its a mess with serious pacing issues

Just clip out the frolicking scene in the meadow by the waterfalls. That improves the whole movie by more than you'd expect.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Detective No. 27 posted:

A Golden Age Superman movie set in 1938 would be really cool.

They'd probably gut out all his socialism though.

Adapt the radio series where he takes on the KKK. That'd actually do well in the post-Trump world.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Palpatine is an accelerationist in the basic sense that he pushes the logic of his frenemies to its unnatural conclusion. He’s having an enormous amount of fun exposing the hypocrisies of the Jedi and the senators, all the insurmountable contradictions of liberal capitalism, etc. He has fully embraced diabolical Evil as an ethos. This is why Palpatine has become a present-day camp icon.

This is strongly reinforced in Clone Wars' The Zilla Monster episode. Palpatine is having so drat much fun being pure evil. Forcing a compassionate scientist to torture a sentient being is so perfectly in character. He's a pleasure to watch all through that two-parter, just reveling in it all.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Rochallor posted:

but also nothing to make you say, "poo poo this is actually pretty good" like Wraith Squadron.

Alphabet Squadron would like a word with you. The novels are a good idea executed well, and if you've spent any time with the X-Wing or TIE Fighter games, you know exactly what's going on at every moment of every space fight. I'm hoping for some Alphabet Squadron content for the starfighter game coming out in October, it'd make for good single-player DLC.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Way back in the TIE Fighter sim bombs were very powerful, but slow and could be shot down. So naturally you'd get as close as you could. Makes perfect sense to me.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




The prequels gave us the Clone Wars series and, indirectly, Rebels. The Sequel trilogy gave us Resistance.

I will not be taking questions.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Jewmanji posted:

It was experimental and jury-rigged until we found out that Mandalorians apparently keep carbon freezing chambers in their ships for transporting people. Boba Fett complained about the nature of the facilities and the risk to his bounty.

It was on-screen dialogue in ESB, watch the drat movies.

e. shoulda known how beaten I'd be

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Ghost Leviathan posted:

I mean, it makes sense if you consider the Sith to be the biggest loving drama queens who are absolutely high on their own smugness. Which is pretty well supported by the text. Sheev pretty much spends all his screentime in-character as a Sith Lord absolutely loving every moment of it.

I call out the Clone Wars Zilla Beast two-parter as a perfect example of this. He's indulging himself in pure evil and corruption - no grand plot, no goal, just pure evil for its own sake. And he's so happy about it obviously reveling in his own crapulence.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Throw some samurai films in the mix, Kurosawa made some great ones:

Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai, Ran, or Kagemusha would all fit well with a Star Warsey viewing session.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




No Mods No Masters posted:

Hopefuly rangers will have a running gag about where they're just about to confront the practice of slavery in the new republic and/or the arms dealers who were behind all the star wars, but something else comes up every time

Realtalk, Rangers has really good potential to be another Space Western. Marshals riding X-Wings instead of horses has my attention.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Bongo Bill posted:

Obi-Wan always had an aesthetic appreciation for elegance, and throughout his life, his most important victories were decided in a single stroke after simply biding his time until he was in the right position. He did grow wiser in the desert, but he also grew nostalgic, narrowing the story of his life just to those decisive moments and paring everything else away.

I remember a Clone Wars fight between him, Maul, and Oppress. Kenobi spends most of the fight on the defensive, but he keeps trying to land a kick on Oppress' left knee. When he finally does connect, he's able to escape, because Oppress is done. So let's also credit him with dogged determinism and the ability to execute on a winning stratagem until it pays off..

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Basebf555 posted:

It doesn't have to literally be Sheev himself, but I'm pretty confident that any new Star Wars films are gonna have some sort of contrived tie-in to Sheev's future plans and/or the birth of Anakin, regardless of now far in the past they're set.

There's a good chance that Gideon was working on one of Sheev's plots.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




well why not posted:

was the fortnite thing at least cool?

No.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




FunkyAl posted:

A real rear end star wars dragon would have been something.

I have good news about The Mandalorian for you.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




BiggestBatman posted:

Aight this thread is running out of steam. I'm gonna go start up a david cronenberg rewatch thread. Been meaning to do something like that.

Was thinking of starting with videodrome but in fact i think I'm gonna go watch the fly now

Go for "Shivers/They Came From Within". That's a beautifully hosed up piece of cinema.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




No Mods No Masters posted:

Macross et al have been doing the space ship strain of star wars better than star wars for like 30 years, disney doesn't deserve them

Fun fact: Macross Frontier is on YouTube in 720p, subbed. Goddamned good show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnBgMIYA874

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Ghost Leviathan posted:

That's pretty much canon iirc, absolutely everything with Palpatine basically paints him as a complete sociopath who is a brilliant actor and is just having so much fun putting on the persona of the serene and reasonable leader put into terrible circumstances while being a literal cackling evil wizard by night, dual personas setting up half the galaxy to crash into the other half.

THis is show with great effect in the Clone Wars two-parter "The Zillo Beast". As Palpatine, he's his usual "terrible circumstances" self, but he secretly overjoyed at an opportunity to make well-intentioned people do terrible things. He's got some great scenes in this episode.

If you only watch one Clone Wars episode, make it this one, make it this one for Sheev !

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Bogus Adventure posted:

LucasArts getting shuttered really sucked. And none of these game developers have the courage to give me a next gen X-Wing game. Squadrons is okay, but it feels so small. I just want a game that lets me fly and fight in the Battle of Endor with today's graphics.

Comrade, have I got some good news for you. It take Alliance, adds the fan-made asset upgrade mods, and then layers on top of that all the missions and cutscenes from TIE Fighter, and a whole new "re-imagined" campaign. Plays just like the old one, looks almost modern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVrdwZ9bEk

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Neo Rasa posted:


Hell even the idea of them needing a fully armored 12 person assault team just to capture one guy sounded like complete overkill when the Sgt. suggested it.

No, that's reasonable. It's not 12 guys to make the arrest. It's 12 guys to do searches, provide security, do crowd control on a planet unfriendly to espos, guard the dropships (oops), and still have overwhelming force for the arrest team.

There was a fight at a party across the street from me. SFPD rolled nine cars. They had 6 or 7 groups of witnesses, each with an officer interviewing them, two cops watching the suspect, and a supervisor coordinating the whole thing. Compared to going after someone who killed two guards, 12 starts to look like they could have used more.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




They've explicitly said season 2 will be four 3-episode arcs, one per year. The rest of this one is the end of a 3-part arc next week, then 11-12 as a two-part arc.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Ghost Leviathan posted:

Pretty much that entire era of Star Wars is constantly dripping with dramatic irony, especially all the EU stuff and both Clone Wars cartoons. You know things are going to go bad and the ending will be tragic, the only question is how.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvamRJvAB2U

I love that bit. Anakin just loving shanks a dude, the good guys win, but....

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




TLJ's biggest flaw, besides being two movies awkwardly crammed together, was not swapping Leia for Holdo in the hyperspace ramming attack. Carrie Fisher is gone, and you've got Laura Freaking Dern right there. Have Leia go out big, and then pass the torch to Holdo for the third movie. An unbelievable mised opportunity.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




McCloud posted:

The bit with the arms dealers is such a weird aside, like why just throw that in if you're not going to explore it further? Just reeks of pandering

That's a big part of why I think TLJ is two movies, Rian's and the studio's, stuffed into one runtime.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Captain Jesus posted:

I don't think it would be respectful (or really necessary) to change episode VIII due to Carrie Fisher's death, but they never should have forced her posthumous appearance in episode IX.

I can think of something respectful. Have her swap place with Adm. Holdo for the suicide run. Leia goes out like a boss, and then you have Laura Dern for episode IX. You also have the synchronicity of both of the Skywalker twins going out within hours or days of each other, plus as a bonus you've cleared the tables of legacy characters who aren't Lando or a droid. Have an after-credits scene in IX where it's Lando telling tall tales in a bar, getting to the end of IX, and suggesting someone buy him another drink if they want to hear what's going to happen next.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




2house2fly posted:

To film Leia doing things after Carrie Fisher died would require the same kind of ghoulish digital simulacrum they ended up doing anyway. It wouldn't have been less disrespectful, it would just have the disrespect taking place much closer to her death and therefore looking much ruder

You just need to edit the scene of Holdo getting on the shuttle, so Leia gets on board, and then a shot of her on the bridge which is easy enough to get from existing footage and composite in. I'd say that's far more respectful than the terrible dialogue they cobbled together from unused footage.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




2house2fly posted:

Mr Lucas, sir, I'll take the biggest star destroyer you got

No, that's too big.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Isometric Bacon posted:

The problem with Bob is that...

Typo of the week right here.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




McCloud posted:

I am unreasonably annoyed by the term "deathsticks". That's just terrible marketing, you don't see drug dealers calling their heroine "murder powder" do you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOHkrZECnfs

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Neo Rasa posted:

You have no idea how fast I would have rented the VHS sleeve with this description on the back.

Big same. That doesn't match the shooting script for A New Hope in more than a couple of details, but I'd have watched the hell out of a movie that did do this.

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